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Re: Brexit - the demographic issue
Reply #285 - Jun 27^th, 2016 at 11:25am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 27^th, 2016 at 9:55am:

If you're talking about WW2 (again, of course), wasn't it you lot who abandoned us to our fate with the Japanese? Who refused to allow Australian troops home to fight the Japanese?

If it wasn't for the US (the first country to throw you lot out) we'd have suffered more than we did.

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"Stanley, who was principal historian at the Australian War Memorial for 20 years, says the full story of Australia's troop involvement in Singapore has not been told.

"Stories of Australian deserters circulate but no one has nailed down the numbers. But there is evidence that up to a third of the Australian force became stragglers [deserters]," Stanley says. "Australians will probably continue to be sensitive about it until well after the last veterans are dead and possibly even after their children are dead.

"There is very strong sympathy for the World War II veterans … they are regarded as national treasures, to be cherished.

"So while they are alive Australians will not be talking about Singapore in an impartial way … while they are alive it will make us cautious about expressing harsh judgments on individuals but in the long run it is an important part of our history and our relationship with the region and will be analysed and interpreted with greater candour."

Claims of cowardice and desertion by Australian troops in Singapore surfaced in 1993 when a secret report by the British general Sir Archibald Wavell was discovered in London. It baldly said: "For the fall of Singapore itself the Australians are responsible."

The report, withheld from Australia by the British government for 50 years, concluded that the behaviour of the Australians in the days before Singapore fell set a very bad example, conceding only they had been punished by heavy shell fire and a "rumour got about that they were to be evacuated and … they were near home and that home was under imminent threat of invasion"

"But the ignominy was compounded by the British historian Peter Elphick, who wrote in his 1995 book Pregnable Fortress that official files refer to damning indictments of the Australians, including "mass desertion, looting, rape and murder".

"There is no doubt that some Australians fought well but overall they performed badly and there is substantial evidence in these files to prove it," Elphick said at the time."

Dear O dear O dear ... there are some who are still using the poor bloody Poms as whipping boys for the fall of Singapore.

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Soldier numbers in the Malay Peninsula ...

Allies: 85,000
Japanese: 36,000

And sooooo....

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"Everyone from Churchill down to the lowest private expected Singapore to hold out for at least three months. By that time, they believed, enough reinforcements would reach the island to make Singapore too well defended even for Yamashita to overcome".

Singapore fell in just one week.

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Re: Brexit - the demographic issue
Reply #287 - Jun 27^th, 2016 at 11:32am

Quantum wrote on Jun 27^th, 2016 at 11:17am:

You clearly have a problem with the English. You have made that clear as day on the last page. In your eye they are nothing but white trash soccer hooligans who are an embarrassment to the western world. Fortunately not everyone holds such an ignorant view.

This is a nervous tic shared by most ethnics due to their feelings of inferiority and subordination to British superiority. Cool

Aussies greet me with open arms and a cheery, "G'Day, mate!" ... but upon learning I'm English, I've always found ethnics in Australia become slack-jawed and twitchy about me, as though I'm about to serve them with a summons to appear in court over some infraction of the law.

It may be just one of them

Or five of them

Or more of them

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Re: Brexit - the demographic issue
Reply #288 - Jun 27^th, 2016 at 12:55pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 27^th, 2016 at 9:22am:

Nationalism is on the rise.
And why not.
Its in our DNA.
30 or 40 years of "pretending" its not has come to an end.

Family and friends are our main circle of concern
Then our country men.

Those in other countries , not so much.
Has the fact that most of the nations on earth are armed to the teeth been lost on these delusional leftards. Wink

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We are about to spend 50 billion on subs for gawds sake and we dont even have any viable threat.

All the good you create will be destroyed unless you defend it.
We know this, at our core .
Leftards are in such lower consciousness, such low vibration energy, they dont even seem to be aware of reality anymore.
Thankfully the good people of "real" britain see the need for strong patriotism and a strong nationalism .
The east asian countries, where people meditate and think more deeply on such issues have always been strongly patriotic and nationalistic.
They understand reality because they dont live in a haze of leftard media driven drivel.
Rule Britannia Wink

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Re: Brexit - the demographic issue
Reply #289 - Jun 27^th, 2016 at 1:18pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 27^th, 2016 at 11:32am:

Quantum wrote on Jun 27^th, 2016 at 11:17am:

You clearly have a problem with the English. You have made that clear as day on the last page. In your eye they are nothing but white trash soccer hooligans who are an embarrassment to the western world. Fortunately not everyone holds such an ignorant view.

This is a nervous tic shared by most ethnics due to their feelings of inferiority and subordination to British superiority. Cool

Aussies greet me with open arms and a cheery, "G'Day, mate!" ... but upon learning I'm English, I've always found ethnics in Australia become slack-jawed and twitchy about me, as though I'm about to serve them with a summons to appear in court over some infraction of the law.

Who are these 'ethnics' you speak of? Define the term...

I'm guessing its a generic term for anyone whose not English...

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Re: Brexit - the demographic issue
Reply #291 - Jun 27^th, 2016 at 1:31pm

Quantum wrote on Jun 27^th, 2016 at 11:17am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 27^th, 2016 at 7:01am:

Quantum wrote on Jun 27^th, 2016 at 1:55am:

No, I'm saying that while you're all security council is serious stuff! There are no allies. Serious, serious, serious!, at the same time you're arguing that others deserve their go, like its a ride at a kids play ground Roll Eyes

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Of course the security council is serious! That's why the USA would never push to have a nation like the UK who they have worked closely with in security matters for over 70 years with a nation like Brazil. It makes no sense, and you haven't made any arguments other than the UK is irrelevant without Scotland, and Brazil deserve a go.

All 5 permanent members support India's membership of the security council as a permanent member because they accept that India is significant enough to effect a contribution to world peace and security, so no one is suggesting it is a playground... Their view is driven by reality not nostalgia or sentimentality.

China's only apparent caveat is that India not support Japan in any bid to become a permanent member.

For fks sake. What's this sentimentality crap you keep going on about? The U.K. And the USA work unbelievably close on military matters... today! You can't be this bloody ignorant of world affairs to not see the close relationship that have on security matters. So why the hell would they push off thier closest ally to replace them with someone China is happy with? It's idiotic and no one but you is suggesting such a thing.

You clearly have a problem with the English. You have made that clear as day on the last page. In your eye they are nothing but white trash soccer hooligans who are an embarrassment to the western world. Fortunately not everyone holds such an ignorant view.

Yes this sentimentality with the English is not shared by most of the world...

It was telling some time ago when Britain attempted to publicly advise India on a certain internal matter and was publicly rebuked by the Indian government in return, reminding Britain that it was a third rate power and that it had no interests in the matter.

The US has close relationships with many countries and they are currently forging even closer ties with India.

On the matter of US / UK sentimentality read up on how the US treated Keynes when he went to the US after the war fully expecting the US to forgive Britain's war debt and underwrite Britain's reconstruction. He got a rude shock. The US loaned them the money must to the fury and disgust of the House of Lords but they had no choice but to accept the US loan and terms. The last payment of this loan (agreed in 1946) was made on 29 December 2006.

The US doesn't care about 'how well we work together' necessarily... That is sentimentality... It only cares that it is good policy and is realistic to work with England...

When England has outlived its relevancy, the US will 'retire' the 'special relationship' and England's presence on the security council will one day be put to a vote.

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Reply #292 - Jun 27^th, 2016 at 1:38pm

now now NoN.

the roman empire , the british empire , the holy roman empire, the french under napoleon, the prussians...europe has seen many empires come and go.

the EU (brussels) empire seems to have lasted only a bit longer then the 3rd reich.

It will all be back to nation states soon enough and so it should.

cattle might be born on one of 20 or 30 adjoining properties but no one thinks we just pull down the fences and let them roam about willy-nilly.
this might suit a few of the young cattle that want to go on a holiday in some distant paddock without having to go through any gates but it is just too chaotic.
Cattle belong on a certain property with their rightful owners and all the cattle farmers compete in a friendly manner but only a fool would tear down all the barbed wire and think any good would come of it.

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Re: Brexit - the demographic issue
Reply #293 - Jun 27^th, 2016 at 1:48pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 27^th, 2016 at 1:31pm:

Quantum wrote on Jun 27^th, 2016 at 11:17am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 27^th, 2016 at 7:01am:

Quantum wrote on Jun 27^th, 2016 at 1:55am:

No, I'm saying that while you're all security council is serious stuff! There are no allies. Serious, serious, serious!, at the same time you're arguing that others deserve their go, like its a ride at a kids play ground Roll Eyes

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Of course the security council is serious! That's why the USA would never push to have a nation like the UK who they have worked closely with in security matters for over 70 years with a nation like Brazil. It makes no sense, and you haven't made any arguments other than the UK is irrelevant without Scotland, and Brazil deserve a go.

All 5 permanent members support India's membership of the security council as a permanent member because they accept that India is significant enough to effect a contribution to world peace and security, so no one is suggesting it is a playground... Their view is driven by reality not nostalgia or sentimentality.

China's only apparent caveat is that India not support Japan in any bid to become a permanent member.

For fks sake. What's this sentimentality crap you keep going on about? The U.K. And the USA work unbelievably close on military matters... today! You can't be this bloody ignorant of world affairs to not see the close relationship that have on security matters. So why the hell would they push off thier closest ally to replace them with someone China is happy with? It's idiotic and no one but you is suggesting such a thing.

You clearly have a problem with the English. You have made that clear as day on the last page. In your eye they are nothing but white trash soccer hooligans who are an embarrassment to the western world. Fortunately not everyone holds such an ignorant view.

Yes this sentimentality with the English is not shared by most of the world...

It was telling some time ago when Britain attempted to publicly advise India on a certain internal matter and was publicly rebuked by the Indian government in return, reminding Britain that it was a third rate power and that it had no interests in the matter.

The US has close relationships with many countries and they are currently forging even closer ties with India.

On the matter of US / UK sentimentality read up on how the US treated Keynes when he went to the US after the war fully expecting the US to forgive Britain's war debt and underwrite Britain's reconstruction. He got a rude shock. The US loaned them the money must to the fury and disgust of the House of Lords but they had no choice but to accept the US loan and terms. The last payment of this loan (agreed in 1946) was made on 29 December 2006.

The US doesn't care about 'how well we work together' necessarily... That is sentimentality... It only cares that it is good policy and is realistic to work with England...

When England has outlived its relevancy, the US will 'retire' the 'special relationship' and England's presence on the security council will one day be put to a vote.

So what's good policy and who is realistic to work with for France and the USA?

UK, who are a fellow NATO power, have one of the most effective (if not the most effective) intelligence agencies in the world, who still have one of the most powerful militaries in the world, is one of the biggest arms dealers in the world, is still the financial hub (the financial institutes of London) of the world, and for the USA, has seen eye to eye with you over every conflict for the last century.

Or...

India, who is rank with corruption, unpredictable, and who has done f all on the world stage from a security level.

No one in their right mind would think that France or the USA would prefer India to the UK on the security council. You must be an Indian yourself to think such nonsense (which would explain your anti English bigotry).

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Brexit - the demographic issue Reply #294 - Jun 27^th, 2016 at 2:09pm Speaking of 'loans' - I wonder how much Britain would be owed by now if its 'Foreign Aid' largess to British-hating ethnic countries was based on lending and not charity?
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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 37948 Gender:	Re: Brexit - the demographic issue Reply #295 - Jun 27^th, 2016 at 2:14pm Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 27^th, 2016 at 2:09pm: Speaking of 'loans' - I wonder how much Britain would be owed by now if its 'Foreign Aid' largess to British-hating ethnic countries was based on lending and not charity? france owes you a bit
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Reply #296 - Jun 27^th, 2016 at 2:23pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 27^th, 2016 at 2:14pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 27^th, 2016 at 2:09pm:

Speaking of 'loans' - I wonder how much Britain would be owed by now if its 'Foreign Aid' largess to British-hating ethnic countries was based on lending and not charity?

france owes you a bit

I've got a lot of relatives living in the south of France, and so I'm putting their repayments on hold ... Cool

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Brexit - the demographic issue Reply #297 - Jun 27^th, 2016 at 3:54pm Andrew Bolt has his say on Brexit .... link
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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20673 Gender:	Re: Brexit - the demographic issue Reply #298 - Jun 27^th, 2016 at 3:55pm Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 27^th, 2016 at 3:54pm: Andrew Bolt has his say on Brexit .... link They are getting quite a few from Afghanistan signing that petition.
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Reply #299 - Jun 27^th, 2016 at 4:02pm

Belgarion wrote on Jun 27^th, 2016 at 8:42am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 9:11pm:

Does someone stand in the polling boot and make you put a mark on the Ballot Paper? YES/NO

Does someone make you accept a ballot paper when your name is marked off the Electoral Roll, upon entry to the Polling Station? YES/NO

So, Belgarion, how do they make it compulsory for you to vote? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

Oh Brian, you should have accepted defeat with dignity, but like the progressive bigots you so admire, you cannot admit when you have it wrong. In fact one is required to accept a ballot paper when entering the polling place and one must place it in the box. And while there is no one in the booth to actually watch you mark the paper the law is still applicable, if not practically enforceable. You are very keen on quoting the law when it suits your purposes, so why not now?

Because to quote someone or other, "the law is an Ass!"

Belgarion, this law is not applicable. As I have pointed out, no forces you to accept a ballot paper, no stands beside you when you mark the ballot paper. Therefore, voting is NOT compulsory.

When they change that, it will become compulsory.

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Not only have you got this wrong, you have called Herbie a liar. I think an apology may be in order.

Nope. I did not call him a liar. Roll Eyes

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Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 3:49pm:

Needless to say, it is not compulsory to vote. All that is required is for potential voters to have their names marked off the electoral rolls, nothing more.

No matter how you paint it, Herbert, it is a lie to claim otherwise. And we all know you're not a liar, now are you, Herbie? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

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