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Re: Brexit - the demographic issue
Reply #195 - Jun 26^th, 2016 at 4:06pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 4:03pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 4:01pm:

No doubt like the millions of geriatrics in the UK who have been locked in their rooms till their meds kick in.

Sometimes it's less pathetic to just say nothing, wouldn't you agree?

Aww, come on codge... Lighten up... Take two codeines and a pint of sherry.

2,807,234 signatures.

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Re: Brexit - the demographic issue
Reply #196 - Jun 26^th, 2016 at 4:08pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 4:06pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 4:03pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 4:01pm:

No doubt like the millions of geriatrics in the UK who have been locked in their rooms till their meds kick in.

Sometimes it's less pathetic to just say nothing, wouldn't you agree?

Aww, come on codge... Lighten up... Take two codeines and a pint of sherry.

Sometimes it's less pathe ....

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Re: Brexit? Not so fast
Reply #197 - Jun 26^th, 2016 at 4:15pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 3:49pm:

Needless to say, it is not compulsory to vote. All that is required is for potential voters to have their names marked off the electoral rolls, nothing more.

No matter how you paint it, Herbert, it is a lie to claim otherwise. And we all know you're not a liar, now are you, Herbie? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

From the AEC:

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Is voting compulsory?
Yes, under federal electoral law, it is compulsory for all eligible Australian citizens to enrol and vote in federal elections, by-elections and referendums.

For further information see Compulsory Voting.

From the "Compulsory Voting" page

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History of compulsory voting in Australia

Compulsory enrolment for federal elections was introduced in 1912
Compulsory voting for state elections was introduced in Queensland in 1915
Compulsory voting at federal elections was introduced in 1924.

How do you even get yourself out of bed in the morning you imbecile? You would argue rain falls from the ground to the sky just for the sake of getting your post count up. Your arrogance is only matched by your ignorance.

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Re: Brexit? Not so fast
Reply #198 - Jun 26^th, 2016 at 4:25pm

Quantum wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 4:15pm:

How do you even get yourself out of bed in the morning you imbecile? You would argue rain falls from the ground to the sky just for the sake of getting your post count up. Your arrogance is only matched by your ignorance.

Brian has always lived in a parallel universe where up is down, and down is up, and ...

He's quite harmless as long as he doesn't forget to take his daily medication and the weekly injection at his GP's.

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Re: Brexit - the demographic issue
Reply #199 - Jun 26^th, 2016 at 6:01pm

From the AEC website:

"The
Commonwealth Electoral Act 1918
, under section 245(1), states:
”It shall be the duty of every elector to vote at each election”.
•
Under the Electoral Act, the actual duty of the elector is to attend a polling
place, have their name marked off the certified list, receive a ballot paper and
take it to an individual voting booth, mark it, fold the ballot paper and place it
in the ballot box.
•
It is not the case, as some people have claimed, that it is only compulsory to
attend the polling place and have your name marked off, and this has been
upheld by a number of legal decisions:
™
High Court 1926 –
Judd v McKeon (1926) 38 CLR 380
™
Supreme Court of Victoria 1970 –
Lubcke v Little [1970] VR 807
™
High Court 1971 –
Faderson v Bridger (1971) 126 CLR 271
™
Supreme Court of Queensland 1974 –
Krosch v Springbell; ex parte
Krosch [1974] QdR 107
™
ACT Supreme Court 1981 –
O’Brien v Warden (1981) 37 ACTR 13 "

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Re: Brexit - the demographic issue
Reply #200 - Jun 26^th, 2016 at 6:33pm

Belgarion wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 6:01pm:

From the AEC website:

"The
Commonwealth Electoral Act 1918
, under section 245(1), states:
”It shall be the duty of every elector to vote at each election”.
•
Under the Electoral Act, the actual duty of the elector is to attend a polling
place, have their name marked off the certified list, receive a ballot paper and
take it to an individual voting booth, mark it, fold the ballot paper and place it
in the ballot box.
•
It is not the case, as some people have claimed, that it is only compulsory to
attend the polling place and have your name marked off, and this has been
upheld by a number of legal decisions:
™
High Court 1926 –
Judd v McKeon (1926) 38 CLR 380
™
Supreme Court of Victoria 1970 –
Lubcke v Little [1970] VR 807
™
High Court 1971 –
Faderson v Bridger (1971) 126 CLR 271
™
Supreme Court of Queensland 1974 –
Krosch v Springbell; ex parte
Krosch [1974] QdR 107
™
ACT Supreme Court 1981 –
O’Brien v Warden (1981) 37 ACTR 13 "

Yeas. Completely unenforceable unless the voter makes s/himself known as in breach, or someone watches as the ballot paper is 'marked,' and as the latter involves a breach of secrecy of ballot, it will never happen.

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Brexit - the demographic issue Reply #201 - Jun 26^th, 2016 at 6:34pm North, when i was a kid playing footy my old man would always say to me, "always accept the ref's decision ".
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Re: Brexit - the demographic issue
Reply #202 - Jun 26^th, 2016 at 7:22pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 6:50pm:

Squeezing in a quick Brexit thread before the result is known in the next couple of days...

ok, something that isn't discussed much is the age divide on this issue - basically, most young people want to stay, most old people want to go.

The younger people should thank the older people for getting a vote that wasn't in German.

These older people built that country and gave the younger people the freedoms they enjoy.

All I see is the snowflake generation of leftists acting like bed wetting toy throwing sore losers when they lost the vote

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Re: Brexit - the demographic issue
Reply #203 - Jun 26^th, 2016 at 7:35pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

North, when i was a kid playing footy my old man would always say to me, "always accept the ref's decision ".

I guess the ref's decision only affected one part of one game on one day.

I didn't mean you'd get home to find the refs decision meant your parents decided to divorce and your brother decides to leave home to live with the neighbours down the road.

Referendums that affect national security, identity, economy should require at least a two thirds majority of the voting citizens.

Don't get me wrong... If this half witted act by the Poms (that's English not British) leads to the unification of Ireland then I treat it as if God ordained it in person!

Anyway, 3,011,046 signatures

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Neferti Gold Member Offline Posts: 7965 Canberra Gender:	Re: Brexit - the demographic issue Reply #204 - Jun 26^th, 2016 at 7:38pm What do they reckon 3,011,046 signatures is going to do? Why do you care? Are you living in England?
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Brexit - the demographic issue Reply #205 - Jun 26^th, 2016 at 7:42pm 3 million crybabies. That much publicised "keep Trump out of Britain" petition from a few months ago was mostly people outside Britain anyway. I wonder what proportion of these are.
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Re: Brexit - the demographic issue
Reply #206 - Jun 26^th, 2016 at 7:55pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 7:35pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

North, when i was a kid playing footy my old man would always say to me, "always accept the ref's decision ".

I guess the ref's decision only affected one part of one game on one day.

I didn't mean you'd get home to find the refs decision meant your parents decided to divorce and your brother decides to leave home to live with the neighbours down the road.

Referendums that affect national security, identity, economy should require at least a two thirds majority of the voting citizens.

Don't get me wrong... If this half witted act by the Poms (that's English not British) leads to the unification of Ireland then I treat it as if God ordained it in person!

Anyway, 3,011,046 signatures

Like Henry Thoreau,
the british people need some quiet time to retreat to the woods and reflect on where they want their country to go and how to define themselves in a globalised europe that has disenfranchised them.
they will hopefully rise from the ashes like a pheonix.
if 3 million odd londoners cant make as much cream, skimming money in financial house brothels, well, so what.
Who is really more spiritually advanced...the money whores of london who want to continue worshipping the filthy lucre or the people of "real" england, who want to draw breath and reflect on their 2000 year tradition which has been trashed from brussells to a greater extent then when william landed at hastings.

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Re: Brexit - the demographic issue
Reply #207 - Jun 26^th, 2016 at 8:09pm

Neferti wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 7:38pm:

What do they reckon

3,011,046 signatures

is going to do? Why do you care? Are you living in England?

It would take more like 20 million genuine signatures to do anything more than what 3 million will do now (their appeal is on the website).

Why do I care? I'm not a fan of 'raw' democracy and like to take the piss out of it when I can... After all wasn't it mob democracy that got Socrates executed?

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Re: Brexit - the demographic issue
Reply #208 - Jun 26^th, 2016 at 8:29pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 7:55pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 7:35pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

North, when i was a kid playing footy my old man would always say to me, "always accept the ref's decision ".

I guess the ref's decision only affected one part of one game on one day.

I didn't mean you'd get home to find the refs decision meant your parents decided to divorce and your brother decides to leave home to live with the neighbours down the road.

Referendums that affect national security, identity, economy should require at least a two thirds majority of the voting citizens.

Don't get me wrong... If this half witted act by the Poms (that's English not British) leads to the unification of Ireland then I treat it as if God ordained it in person!

Anyway, 3,011,046 signatures

Like Henry Thoreau,
the british people need some quiet time to retreat to the woods and reflect on where they want their country to go and how to define themselves in a globalised europe that has disenfranchised them.
they will hopefully rise from the ashes like a pheonix.
if 3 million odd londoners cant make as much cream, skimming money in financial house brothels, well, so what.
Who is really more spiritually advanced...the money whores of london who want to continue worshipping the filthy lucre or the people of "real" england, who want to draw breath and reflect on their 2000 year tradition which has been trashed from brussells to a greater extent then when william landed at hastings.

I think 'Barry from Bristol' isn't about to walk through an apple orchard in a toga pondering the grand scheme of it all... 'Thoreau', he asks, 'Wasn't that the French ponce who ran that pastry shop by Patels fish n chips?'

2000 years of tradition? The poms talk about immigration... Who brought south Asians to Europe... And the Caribbean people 60 to 30 years ago... What a bloody cheek to bitch about Poles and Romanians!!

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Re: Brexit - the demographic issue
Reply #209 - Jun 26^th, 2016 at 8:29pm

One doesn't have to like a democratically obtained decision but one should always respect it. Was there electoral fraud? No. Was information either way cocealed from voters? No. Was there anything stopping those who CHOSE not to vote? No. MOST. Britons chose to leave the Eurozone. As far as I'm concerned (a truly non invested Aussie), JK Rowlands and Nigella Lawson can eat big fat d!cks.

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