polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 10:58pm:


Who’s been.learning from good old FD?

@ Brian Ross

moses wrote Reply #174 - Jun 21st, 2016 at 8:19pm

So we have you advocating that you are a greater exponent of what constitutes a Christian than what we are to read in the N.T..

You tell us that the teachings of Christ take second place to what men say and believe.

You have continuously stated that if a person says and believes they are a Christian they absolutely are, regardless of what evil deeds they have committed.

So going on your definition of what makes a Christian, The question arises: Do you apply the same criteria to what is a muslim?

Muslims who are the terrorists, muslims who burn people alive, muslims who behead innocent people in the name of islam, muslims who teach their children how to behead a fellow human being, muslims who put people in cages and drown them, muslims who tie people up and throw them off buildings, muslims who murder non muslims in the name of islam, muslims who rape women, muslims who rape then murder their own sisters and daughters in honour killings, muslims who shoot schoolgirls etc. etc. all say they are muslims, they all believe they are the highest grade of muslim as stated in the qur'an.

You by your own words support these people, as they are true muslims by your definition, they say and believe they are.

Now this begs the question just how sick are you to want a religion in our country which by your very own definition, is a religion of rape, child slaughter, beheading, terrorism, burning people alive, honour killings etc.?


Why do you support human rights atrocities committed by people who you determine to be the true muslims?



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moses wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 12:53pm:


Actually, what I am saying is that the history of Christianity indicates there are many Christians, not I, who have decided what constitutes a Christian, rather than just what is in the New Testament, Moses.

Can you grasp that sentence?  At all?

It's not me, it is the 2,000+ years of Christianity that shows there are multitudes of people who consider themselves to be Christians, despite their beliefs not fitting into what you consider a Christian to be, Moses.

And remember, we are not only considering what the New Testament tells us but we are considering what the Church and it's preachers have said over 2,000+ years.

Do you deny that the Church has used it's theology to justify war, theft, rape, paedophilia, slavery, etc.?

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Not to me, Moses.

Ask the multitudes of Christians who believed what their churches and preachers told them and went out and quite happily waged war, theft, rape, paedophilia, slavery, etc. on Christians and non-Christians alike.  They may have a different answer.

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Whom am I to doubt them, Moses?

You appear willing to accept that anybody calling themselves a Muslim is a Terrorist.

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Again, not my definition.   You appear to personalise this far too much, Moses.  I wonder why?

You're asking my question, as it appears you do apply the idea that all Muslims are Terrorists to every Muslim,  yet you continually make excuses for every person who calls themselves a Christian.  I wonder why?   

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Lets substitute Christian for Muslim in your paragraph and save time, OK?   Why do you keep disowning them despite them claiming they are Christian, Moses?   Who determines whom is a Christian?  You or the Christian themselves?   

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You can of course, quote back where I have supported Terrorists, Moses?

In reality, I have and continue to condemn anybody who commits a crime, be they Muslim or Christian or Hindu or Taoist or Buddhist or any other religious persuasion.    Why do you find that hard to accept?

True Muslims are peaceful, law abiding people, Moses.  You know, the people who walk the streets of Australian cities every day?

You however, have decided to brand all Muslims as Islamists (look the word up if you don't know what it means).   Why?

It's like me branding all Christians as fundamentalists, members of Opus Dei or the Westboro Baptist Church or Hillsong or Fred Nile's mob.   

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You're right.  Lets ban Christianity.  There, an exhortation to ban a religion from our country which your very own definition, is a religion of rape, child slaughter, beheading, terrorism, burning people alive, honour killings etc.!

And if you don't believe Christianity has committed all those crimes, I have a nice bridge in Sydney I'd like to sell you, Moses.   

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Where have I determined Islamists to be "true Muslims"?

Using your sort of logic then, I take it you support Fred Nile, Hillsong, Opus Dei, Westboro Baptist Church, etc. to be all "true Christians" in their attitudes of hatred?   The various denomination's organised churches because of their covering up of Paedophilia by their Priests?   Their waging of war, rape, burning of innocents, etc.?   

What about you, Moses, are you a "true Christian" with your stated hatred towards other people?  Mmmm?   

ian wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 11:20pm:


Yes, you do.

You've called for it and supported it on several occasions in this forum.

moses wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 1:48pm:


No, I am still making the same point.   Who am I to not accept that when a person declares themselves to be a Christian, isn't one, despite them disobeying everything their saviour has said?

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Yet, as I keep pointing out, who are you to define whether or not a fellow Christian is a Christian or not when they claim they are Christian, whilst murdering, raping, burnings, pillaging, destroying whole nations, etc.?
 
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I am merely agreeing with their own definition of them and their acts as being those of a "Christian", Moses.    You have yet to demonstrate to me, sufficiently why their definition is wrong.

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You do know what the definition of a "lie" is, Moses?

"To knowing tell an untruth"

How do you know I am knowingly telling an untruth?

You have yet to prove that I am knowingly telling an untruth.   Your claim, your opinion that I am "lying" doesn't cut it, Moses.   You must prove it.  Where is your evidence?  Mmmm?   

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That is your definition, Moses.

It is obviously not the definition that your co-religionists are using.

Are you so sure your definition is correct?   Why is theirs' incorrect?

2,000+ years they have been using that definition.   Who am I to doubt 2,000+ years of tradition?  Mmmm?   

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Yet you don't apply your definition of what makes a Christian to what makes a Muslim.   I find that rather interesting...   

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Yes they do.  However, their actions are invariably committed against everyday, moderate, Muslims.   So, you don't think this all part of an internecine conflict as to who is a true Muslim and who isn't?   You know, like the 30 Years War with it's millions of innocent dead was between those who considered themselves true Christians and those they didn't?

I believe it's all a matter of context and extremes, Moses.  Something you appear unwilling to accept in your extreme position.  Funny how you keep disobeying the very instructions that you claim defines a Christian...   

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Already answered that, Moses with my exhortation to ban Christianity, a religion in our country which by your very own definition, is a religion of rape, child slaughter, beheading, terrorism, burning people alive, honour killings etc.

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I don't.  Perhaps you'd care to quote back to me where I have?

BTW, I don't believe I've ever said that Islamists are "true Muslims", either.   So, how about you quote it back to me as well, OK?   

ian wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 11:21pm:


I saw your comment. You were not so subtly alluding to arson.

Ian, why do you always straight up deny what you've said? Is it part of your PD?

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:46pm:

The truth always puts you to sleep, Achkhchmed Ross.

PS
Homimum, you silly pedant? Homimum?  WHat a two-faced, hypochritical, double and triple standard, laughably dishonest, lying and stupid prat you are.