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Reply #135 - Jun 19^th, 2016 at 10:16pm

ian wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 9:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 8:28pm:

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In India, Christian extremists are attacking and killing Hindus all the time, Moses.

Rubbish. Attacks on Christians by Hindus and Muslims are far more prevalent in india.

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In the United States of America, Gays and Abortionists are being persecuted all the time, Moses, often to the point of murder.

rarely to the point of murder actually, and there is no institutionalised persecution as there is in Islam against gays.

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In other countries around the world, including Australia, Christian priests are molesting young children for at least the last 50 years.

But not culturally acceptable and encouraged as it is in Islam.

There are plenty of Christians behaving badly.

Why are you defending them Ian ?

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Reply #136 - Jun 19^th, 2016 at 11:34pm

Frank wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 8:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 8:22pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 11:46am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 18^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 18^th, 2016 at 6:00pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 18^th, 2016 at 2:47pm:

I am bemoaning the costs that Islam Christianity inflicts on the world from it's misogyny, it's bigotry, it's homophobia, it's racism, it's exploitation of minors, it's advocation of hatred and misery for billions of people throughout it's history, amongst other things.

Me too. And millions of others.

Naughty! Naughty! Changing my words does not become you. Such a silly naive debating tactic. Roll Eyes

Islam's impact on the world today is far, far worse than any other religion or ideology, with the possible exception of of neo-Marxist progressivism which you represent.

Me, a "neo-Marxist"? My god, you are so far out in right field you cannot even perceive the centre if you believe that comment. Roll Eyes

As for the cost of Islam today versus the cost of Christianity, that is easy to say now that Christianity is no longer as militant as it once was. If we look back through history billions have died because of Christianity and it's crazy evangelistic views on exporting it's religious beliefs to the rest of the world from Europe. Roll Eyes

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Muslims are on the top of the designated victim group list for the likes of you but you ignore the very pertinent fact that they want to kill and subjugate EVERYONE ELSE on your list: gays, women, other ethic and religious groups.

And other, more peaceful, moderate everyday Muslims who are their greatest number of victims. You like all bigots mistake the extremists for the mainstream. Roll Eyes

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For you to respond to every Islamic atrocity with a stupid and untrue statement about Christianity is a lame and laughable attempt of avoiding facing facts.

I have avoided no "facts". What I don't agree with is your characterisation of the extremists as being the mainstream for Muslims. What I particularly don't agree with is your obvious hatred and bigotry towards mainstream Muslims simply because you dislike anybody who doesn't march to your drum beat. You, are a bigot and a fascist. Roll Eyes

Explain how 'mainstream' and 'extremist' Muslims interpret the Koran and hadith differently
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They don't.

They can't.

It's toxic, murderous bloody mayhem. There is no 'moderate' Islam, only backsliding Islam.

Spoken like a true bigot. Well done, you've just won the argument for me with your closed-minded. Islamophobic bullshit. Roll Eyes

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 46311	Re: Bendigo Mosque recieves final go-ahead Reply #137 - Jun 19^th, 2016 at 11:36pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 9:07pm: brian or gandalf hold islam responsible for nothing. When you hold Christianity responsible for anything, I will hold Islam responsible for something, Sprint.
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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Bendigo Mosque recieves final go-ahead Reply #138 - Jun 19^th, 2016 at 11:41pm
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Reply #139 - Jun 19^th, 2016 at 11:41pm

ian wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 9:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 8:28pm:

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In India, Christian extremists are attacking and killing Hindus all the time, Moses.

Rubbish. Attacks on Christians by Hindus and Muslims are far more prevalent in india.

That is irrelevant, as you are well aware, Ian. It is not the number or the ferocity of that attacks which matter, it is that attacks occur.

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In the United States of America, Gays and Abortionists are being persecuted all the time, Moses, often to the point of murder.

rarely to the point of murder actually, and there is no institutionalised persecution as there is in Islam against gays.

Again, the persecution occurs, Ian, does it not? It is not the number nor the ferocity nor the underlying systemisation of the attacks but that attacks occur at all. Roll Eyes

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In other countries around the world, including Australia, Christian priests are molesting young children for at least the last 50 years.

But not culturally acceptable and encouraged as it is in Islam.

Not "encouraged"? Is it or was it discouraged? What did the Church leaders do to stop it? They moved the perpetrators on to other parishes, other dioceses. They gave tacit approval to their attacks and ignored the complaints when they were presented to them by the plaintiffs. Roll Eyes

Why the excuses? Why the ignoring of the truth about Christianity and it's corrosive, ill effects and cancer upon our society? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

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Secret Wars Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3928 Gender:	Re: Bendigo Mosque recieves final go-ahead Reply #140 - Jun 19^th, 2016 at 11:51pm Brian Ross wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 11:41pm: That is irrelevant, as you are well aware, Ian. It is not the number or the ferocity of that attacks which matter, it is that attacks occur. Dear oh smacking dear.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 46311	Re: Bendigo Mosque recieves final go-ahead Reply #141 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 12:04am Secret Wars wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 11:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 11:41pm: That is irrelevant, as you are well aware, Ian. It is not the number or the ferocity of that attacks which matter, it is that attacks occur. Dear oh smacking dear. More excuses...
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Reply #142 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 12:12am

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 12:04am:

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 11:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 11:41pm:

That is irrelevant, as you are well aware, Ian. It is not the number or the ferocity of that attacks which matter, it is that attacks occur.

Dear oh smacking dear. Roll Eyes

More excuses... Roll Eyes

No excuse, the ducking idiocy of not using numbers as a measure. Of considering them irrelevant.

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Reply #143 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 1:03am

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 12:12am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 12:04am:

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 11:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 11:41pm:

That is irrelevant, as you are well aware, Ian. It is not the number or the ferocity of that attacks which matter, it is that attacks occur.

Dear oh smacking dear. Roll Eyes

More excuses... Roll Eyes

No excuse, the ducking idiocy of not using numbers as a measure. Of considering them irrelevant.

So what of the numbers that don't commit atrocities?

Do they count?

Why should all of the many millions of people that interpret Islam peacefully be constantly degraded to the status of those who don't?

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Reply #144 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 1:58pm

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 12:12am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 12:04am:

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 11:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 11:41pm:

That is irrelevant, as you are well aware, Ian. It is not the number or the ferocity of that attacks which matter, it is that attacks occur.

Dear oh smacking dear. Roll Eyes

More excuses... Roll Eyes

No excuse, the ducking idiocy of not using numbers as a measure. Of considering them irrelevant.

I thought we were discussing a moral issue, not a numerical one... Roll Eyes

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Re: Bendigo Mosque recieves final go-ahead
Reply #145 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:00pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 1:58pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 12:12am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 12:04am:

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 11:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 11:41pm:

That is irrelevant, as you are well aware, Ian. It is not the number or the ferocity of that attacks which matter, it is that attacks occur.

Dear oh smacking dear. Roll Eyes

More excuses... Roll Eyes

No excuse, the ducking idiocy of not using numbers as a measure. Of considering them irrelevant.

I thought we were discussing a moral issue, not a numerical one... Roll Eyes

Right, so its not the bombing, head chopping and stoning which matters. You started the comparison Brian, now you dont want to use it because it doesnt favour your argument.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Bendigo Mosque recieves final go-ahead Reply #146 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:09pm Hi Ian - what about burning mosques? Does that matter? Would you mind clarifying when you advocated giving the mosque a "warm" welcome (your inverted commas), were you referring to burning it down? If it was a simple misinterpretation on my part, no worries, just correct the record for us, thanks.
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Reply #147 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:35pm

ian wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:00pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 1:58pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 12:12am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 12:04am:

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 11:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 11:41pm:

That is irrelevant, as you are well aware, Ian. It is not the number or the ferocity of that attacks which matter, it is that attacks occur.

Dear oh smacking dear. Roll Eyes

More excuses... Roll Eyes

No excuse, the ducking idiocy of not using numbers as a measure. Of considering them irrelevant.

I thought we were discussing a moral issue, not a numerical one... Roll Eyes

Right, so its not the bombing, head chopping and stoning which matters. You started the comparison Brian, now you dont want to use it because it doesnt favour your argument.

No, I was always comparing the moral issue, not a numerical one. You're erecting a strawman argument 'cause you know I am right. Morally, the Christian Church is reprehensible. Roll Eyes

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Reply #148 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:40pm

Brian Ross wrote:Reply #130 - Yesterday at 8:28pm

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In India, Christian extremists are attacking and killing Hindus all the time, Moses.

In the United States of America, Gays and Abortionists are being persecuted all the time, Moses, often to the point of murder.

In other countries around the world, including Australia, Christian priests are molesting young children for at least the last 50 years.

As to what teachings of Christ they are following, I have no idea as I am unfamilar with their views.

You're fallaciously avoiding the issue Brian, you know as well as I do that the teachings of Christ unequivocally state that workers of iniquity will not be accepted Mathew 7:21 Mathew 7:22 Mathew 7:23 Mathew 15:9 Mark 7:7 are classic examples.

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Do you deny these events are occurring, Moses? That they are being perpetuated by those who profess that they are "Christians"?

They profess Christianity?
When are you going to stop your falsification?
The doctrine taught by Christ defines what a Christian is, just as the doctrine taught by muhammad defines what a muslim is.
The above chapters / verses are very good examples which univocally teach that commandments of men and deeds of iniquity are disdained.
Why do you keep lying by stating the exact opposite of what was taught by Christ?
Oh that's right you are desperate to equate Christianity with islam.

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Will you scurry away and hide your face from the reality of what Christianity has become? A religion of hatred and persecution and molestation?

Obviously Christianity should reflect the views and teachings of Christ, if there are people doing the exact opposite (and there are) then it is equally as obvious that these people are not Christians as defined by Christ.

So the question you always run away from is: are people who claim Christianity, but defy the teachings of Jesus really Christians?

The clear answer is, no they are not Christians.

Yet you continually try to ascribe Christianity to workers of wickedness.

Why do you lie all the time Brian?

Are you in such a weak position with your submission to islam that you have to rely on dishonesty?

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Reply #137 - Yesterday at 11:36pm
When you hold Christianity responsible for anything, I will hold Islam responsible for something, Sprint.

The undisputed facts are:
people who commit atrocities are disobeying Christ.
muslims who commit atrocities are following muhammad to the very letter.

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Reply #149 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 4:03pm

moses wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote:Reply #130 - Yesterday at 8:28pm

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In India, Christian extremists are attacking and killing Hindus all the time, Moses.

In the United States of America, Gays and Abortionists are being persecuted all the time, Moses, often to the point of murder.

In other countries around the world, including Australia, Christian priests are molesting young children for at least the last 50 years.

As to what teachings of Christ they are following, I have no idea as I am unfamilar with their views.

You're fallaciously avoiding the issue Brian, you know as well as I do that the teachings of Christ unequivocally state that workers of iniquity will not be accepted Mathew 7:21 Mathew 7:22 Mathew 7:23 Mathew 15:9 Mark 7:7 are classic examples.

Yet Christians still commit atrocities, Moses. Amazing how they've never seen to have heard of all these instructions from Christ not to commit sins... Roll Eyes

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Do you deny these events are occurring, Moses? That they are being perpetuated by those who profess that they are "Christians"?

They profess Christianity?
When are you going to stop your falsification?

So, Christian Churches accept non-Christians as their Priests, do they, Moses? Really? Roll Eyes

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The doctrine taught by Christ defines what a Christian is, just as the doctrine taught by muhammad defines what a muslim is.

And so Christians still commit atrocities just as they always have since the coming of Christ and the creation of the Churches which worship him... Roll Eyes

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The above chapters / verses are very good examples which univocally teach that commandments of men and deeds of iniquity are disdained.

And so Christians still commit atrocities just as they always have since the coming of Christ and the creation of the Churches which worship him... Roll Eyes

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Why do you keep lying by stating the exact opposite of what was taught by Christ?

Not me, Moses. Talk to your fellow Christians who commit the atrocities. Why aren't you trying to reform the members of your own religion who are breaking it's commandments? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

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Oh that's right you are desperate to equate Christianity with islam.

No, I am showing that you are not obeying your own Lord's command in John 8:7.

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Will you scurry away and hide your face from the reality of what Christianity has become? A religion of hatred and persecution and molestation?

Obviously Christianity should reflect the views and teachings of Christ, if there are people doing the exact opposite (and there are) then it is equally as obvious that these people are not Christians as defined by Christ.

Yet they keep defining themselves as Christians... Perhaps you need to clean up your own house, instead of ignoring what you fellow Christians are doing in it's name? Roll Eyes

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So the question you always run away from is: are people who claim Christianity, but defy the teachings of Jesus really Christians?

The clear answer is, no they are not Christians.

Yet you continually try to ascribe Christianity to workers of wickedness.

Yet, in their words, they believe they are Christians, Moses.

Must be wonderful to just jettison your fellow co-religionists like that. Saves you having to take any responsiblity for their beliefs and acts... Roll Eyes

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Why do you lie all the time Brian?

Where have I lied ("knowingly told an untruth"), Moses?

I believe Christians should take responsibility for their sins and the sins of their Churches and their fellow co-religionists. You however keep ducking away, declaring them to be non-Christians despite what they themselves apparently believe. Funny that. Roll Eyes

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Are you in such a weak position with your submission to islam that you have to rely on dishonesty?

No dishonesty on my part, Moses. You, however, on the otherhand... Roll Eyes

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Reply #137 - Yesterday at 11:36pm
When you hold Christianity responsible for anything, I will hold Islam responsible for something, Sprint.

The undisputed facts are:
people who commit atrocities are disobeying Christ.

Yet, they commit them in the name of Christ, Moses.

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muslims who commit atrocities are following muhammad to the very letter.

We only have your word on that, Moses. The everyday, moderate, sane, normal, Muslims disagree. I'll take their word over the word of a noted bigot and Xenophobe like yourself. Roll Eyes

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