Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 12:29am:


There isn't, as I stated, any justification......but if you need something to latch on to I'll try to accommodate you:

People die every day by all causes & means.

Bad men are born every day, crazy people are are born every day.

When they decide to kill, they devise a plan....they have used many diverse methods to accomplish their objectives.

We here....you & I....we are focusing only on those bad men & crazies who choose to use firearms, because it fits their plan.

Now, maybe not all the time they can get access to firearms, for many diverse reasons....& quite understandably you don't care about their backup plans, so we won't go there....but those that are motivated to obtain firearms, & if all the variables align, they will be successful.

If they succeed there will be a body count, maybe 1....maybe 2.....it all depends on their desired objectives....are their motives personal....are they after glory for allah....or are they just pissed off at the world & their office coworkers will be sufficient. Hell maybe they will do the world a favor, & just take themselves out....like better than 60% of all firearm homicide nutters do.

The guy in Orlando a week ago decided on a big tally....if he could have gotten more, maybe he would have, or if there was a bad guy who didn't obey the law & was carrying a firearm.....if he decided he wasn't going to let Mateen take him out, maybe the mass killer would have gotten far less....we'll never know.

Now, to make a long story shorter.....in a land of over 320 million, people are going to die......without going into all the ways, & by what means, or by what diseases, the ones we are talking about are the ones that die by being shot by either a bad guy, or a nutcase.....give or take 10,000 a year....sometimes 9,000 give or take....sometimes 11,000 give or take....

Sometimes the bad guys didn't plan on killing anyone, but hey, it just works out that somebody was in the wrong place, at the wrong time, someone gets killed.

The ones we see in the stats are the ones that had the misfortune of being shot.

Oh, I almost forgot, maybe it was a bad guy who shoots another bad guy.....you know...gang-bangers, mafia hit, contract killing......

Maybe it's a good cop taking out a bad guy committing a crime....in America, it's more likely a good guy with a gun taking out a bad guy with a gun during the commission of a crime.

Now, unless you can come up with a sure fire way to eliminate crime.....bust all the bad guys, or diagnose all the mentals & institutionalize them all, the above will happen year in year out.

The incidents are slowing....the homicide rate is dropping...slowly, but steadily (for whatever reason you choose), but as long as human beings roamm the planet, there will be homicide....there will be murder....& there will be front page news about mass murder.

You don't like that.....neither do I......but it is what it is.

In America, because of the culture it is, & the laws they live by, & the freedoms & liberty they enjoy, the world...including us here in Australia... will never see an end to these body counts up there, but we can hope they continue to go down.

Hopefully good law enforcement & healthcare will eliminate some of the people that commit these crimes, there by bumping down the numbers a bit.

And let's not forget education.....educate everyone on the safe use of firearms, & help silly/stupid mistakes become a smaller part of those statistics.


Gun Control is not a cure to the problem, it just makes it difficult for those innocent, law abiding gun owners to protect themselves & make a difference where they can......for themselves, their families, & their society.

In America, guns are there to stay......like it or not.....its a fact of life....it's the cost of their freedom, & they will live or die....one way or another, facing that reality.

Does it have to be?   

In your mind .....in America's mind ....& in the end it's theirs to do with what they wish. 

The 2A protects Americans from gun grabbers like you bwian.

Is your forum dead again is that why you came back here?

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 4:10pm:


Ah, yes, the classic Baronvonrort ad homimum attack when he can't actually argue against the point being made.

Tell me, Baron, did you read this report from the ABC?  Did it upset you?   

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 4:01pm:


"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." ...... Thomas Jefferson 1787

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 6:14pm:


So, you're blaming the ABC for an academic study's results that they are reporting?

Obviously, you don't believe in Freedom of Speech, unless it agrees with your viewpoint, Baron?

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"Lies"?   They "knowingly told an untruth"?  You have evidence of that, Baron?  Really?

Further, how have they "pretended it never happened", when the ABC news reported on it. 

Further, how do you know that the Lockhart shooting of the Hunt Family didn't fall outside the report's period?   

Looks to me like you want to hide from the results of this Academic study.   Obviously it upsets you to read the truth.   

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 9:49pm:


Did your muslim friends tell you that lie bwian?