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Re: Crazy Yanky gun laws
Reply #105 - Jun 19^th, 2016 at 3:01pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 2:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 2:53pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 2:47pm:

If you don't like it move to Mexico they have tough gun laws.

are you in Mexico or the USA?

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If you don't like American gun laws try Mexico they have strict gun laws with a 15.7 per 100K homicide rate

Mexico and most of southern America is run by the drug barons. They have bigger problems than gun laws.

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Reply #106 - Jun 19^th, 2016 at 3:02pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 2:52pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 2:47pm:

The Americans have a constitutional right to firearms.

that's another load of crap that's open for debate ... the 2nd amendment calls for a right to a well
regulated
militia ....

either way ... change the constitution if that's what it takes

Go for it.......I'll take all bets against that happening before we are dusted bones!!

Oh,,& before you go spouting on about something....like the word regulated......a cursory search would show you that word meant something very different (it meant trained, not government supervised or controlled) back in the 1700's.....& what it meant then determines it's interpretation today.....it's called "Original Intent"......in Constitutional law it's everything....so chill sparky!

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Re: Crazy Yanky gun laws
Reply #107 - Jun 19^th, 2016 at 3:05pm

Panther wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 3:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 2:52pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 2:47pm:

The Americans have a constitutional right to firearms.

that's another load of crap that's open for debate ... the 2nd amendment calls for a right to a well
regulated
militia ....

either way ... change the constitution if that's what it takes

Go for it.......I'll take all bets against that happening before we are dusted bones!!

Oh,,& before you go spouting on about something....like the word regulated......a cursory search would show you that word meant something very different (it meant trained, not government supervised or controlled) back in the 1700's.....& what it meant then determines it's interpretation today.....it's called "Original Intent"......in Constitutional law it's everything....so chill sparky! https://i.imgsafe.org/f487d37.gif

so how is Joe Blow being allowed to walk in off the street with no background checks and no waiting period make him 'well trained'? Cheesy

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Re: Crazy Yanky gun laws
Reply #108 - Jun 19^th, 2016 at 3:09pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 3:05pm:

Panther wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 3:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 2:52pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 2:47pm:

The Americans have a constitutional right to firearms.

that's another load of crap that's open for debate ... the 2nd amendment calls for a right to a well
regulated
militia ....

either way ... change the constitution if that's what it takes

Go for it.......I'll take all bets against that happening before we are dusted bones!!

Oh,,& before you go spouting on about something....like the word regulated......a cursory search would show you that word meant something very different (it meant trained, not government supervised or controlled) back in the 1700's.....& what it meant then determines it's interpretation today.....it's called "Original Intent"......in Constitutional law it's everything....so chill sparky! https://i.imgsafe.org/f487d37.gif

so how is Joe Blow being allowed to walk in off the street with no background checks and no waiting period make him 'well trained'? Cheesy

They have background checks in the USA the lefties pluck any old bullshit from their asses.

Our police are supposed to be well trained

Lindt siege- Killed one innocent woman and wounded 4 others while trying to shoot a single offender with a beard

Hornsby- 3 innocent bystanders wounded when police tried to shoot a man with a knife

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Re: Crazy Yanky gun laws
Reply #109 - Jun 19^th, 2016 at 3:13pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 3:09pm:

Our police are supposed to be well trained

Lindt siege- Killed one innocent woman and wounded 4 others while trying to shoot a single offender with a beard

Hornsby- 3 innocent bystanders wounded when police tried to shoot a man with a knife

my comment was in response to panthers refined definition of 'regulated'

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Reply #110 - Jun 19^th, 2016 at 4:22pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 3:05pm:

Panther wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 3:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 2:52pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 2:47pm:

The Americans have a constitutional right to firearms.

that's another load of crap that's open for debate ... the 2nd amendment calls for a right to a well
regulated
militia ....

either way ... change the constitution if that's what it takes

Go for it.......I'll take all bets against that happening before we are dusted bones!!

Oh,,& before you go spouting on about something....like the word regulated......a cursory search would show you that word meant something very different (it meant trained, not government supervised or controlled) back in the 1700's.....& what it meant then determines it's interpretation today.....it's called "Original Intent"......in Constitutional law it's everything....so chill sparky! https://i.imgsafe.org/f487d37.gif

so how is Joe Blow being allowed to walk in off the street with no background checks and no waiting period make him 'well trained'? Cheesy

He doesn't need to be well trained, the statement says the Militia should be, & that's not a prerequisite to ownership, but again individual training regulations vary State to State. Look them up....they're easy to find if you want to know more.

The militia clause you seem to have misunderstandings about, simply stipulates that the Militia needs to be well trained, but the right to own & bear arms does not require belonging to a militia, as per the writings of the Founding Fathers....The Federalist Papers...etc, etc....& most importantly the findings & rulings.....like them or not.....the findings & rulings of the United States Supreme Court.....the last word on Constitutional interpretation.

The second clause is the clause the expresses the self-defense/individual statement....the individual right, in which the government is forbidden to infringe upon....an individuals Natural Right to Keep & Bear Arms. The Constitution does not give or authorize the right to the people, it just states that the inalienable right exists, bestowed on the people by a 'higher power than government', & the government is forbidden to infringe upon that right.

Again, well documented by the Founding Father's documents of the time, & codified by the Supreme Court.

I've been over this topic many times in the other firearms threads, & if you need further documentation pertaining to the facts I've outlined already today, & then some, by all means feel free to hunt them up & have a read....follow the links I provided...etc...etc.

Have fun, & Enjoy

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Re: Crazy Yanky gun laws
Reply #111 - Jun 19^th, 2016 at 5:18pm

Panther wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 1:29pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 1:05pm:

Panther wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 12:42pm:

That's what he knew to do, being that that armed guard is the only one permitted to carry a firearm in a "Gun Free Zone", which the club was.

If the patrons of that club were permitted to carry their legally permitted firearms inside the club, there would have probably been a different outcome.

All the Islamic Terrorist had to do was kill the only armed person who could stop him, & then stand at the only exit & fire into the crowd indiscriminately.....which he did.

He moved about with impunity killing at will, fearing nothing, because the law was on his side, & nobody else would be armed to shoot him.

Are you saying that the night club should have allowed
drunken homosexuals to carry guns on a normal night?

No pub or club wants drunks with firearms.

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Homosexuals shoot just as good as straights, so I wouldn't mind trusting one to watch my back. You should get over that fear...... Wink

In the USA, unlike here obviously by your astonishment, it's illegal to serve alcohol to a drunk person, or a person even suspected of being drunk, & obviously unlike here, it's strictly adhered to.

Establishment owners & staff (who btw would also be allowed to carry their firearms in the club along with the many other non-drunks if it were not a "Gun Free Zone") get mandatory training regarding service procedures, & are ever vigilant when it comes to possible patron intoxication.

A mixture of alcohol & guns would be a disaster.

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The4thEstate Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 322 Flyover Country, U.S.A. Gender:	Re: Crazy Yanky gun laws Reply #112 - Jun 19^th, 2016 at 5:43pm Quote: Mexico and most of southern America is run by the drug barons. They have bigger problems than gun laws. "Most of southern America"?? You mean like Kentucky on down or what?
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74183 Gender:	Re: Crazy Yanky gun laws Reply #113 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 10:17am The4thEstate wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 5:43pm: Quote: Mexico and most of southern America is run by the drug barons. They have bigger problems than gun laws. "Most of southern America"?? You mean like Kentucky on down or what? no, I mean the South Americas
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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Crazy Yanky gun laws Reply #114 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 10:53am I know he's a comedian, but this seems to disagree with what Panther says about the history of the 2nd amendment
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Reply #115 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:21pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 10:53am:

I know he's a comedian, but this seems to disagree with what Panther says about the history of the 2nd amendment

Yes, he is a comedian.........an American Comedian.

Funny, he offered not one shred of historical documentation from any Constitutional scholars supporting any points of his humorous recital.

He's a comedian, he wouldn't need to, nor be expected to have any.

Just a sting of rambling jokes & satire.

Then again, that's his job, & his job is portraying humorous entertainment, not intellectual fact in any degree.

This comedian exercised his First Amendment Right to his protected Freedom of Speech, which permits him to speak as he chooses about any topic he chooses, without worry of retaliation from his government.

That Right is his unalienable right to Free Speech, the right of the People, not granted by the government, & which is a right that can't be taken away by any American government or government Representative.

If he wishes to speak publicly about something before the Courts, no Judge can stop him from speaking about it, regardless of what he speaks about.

The First Amendment prohibits government, & any of it's Representatives, from doing so.

The Second Amendment protects the First Amendment.

The Second Amendment also protects itself, & all the other Rights contained in the First 10 Amendments to the US Constitution.........better known as "The Bill of Rights".

That was the Founding Father's main reason for inserting the Second Amendment into the Bill of Rights, to affirm the American People's Unalienable Rights, & protect those Unalienable Rights forever.

Many governments around the world are so afraid of their People, that when they were formed, their crafters refused to affirm their Citizen's Rights in a basic Bill of Rights.

Any Constitution without an affirmation of the Citizens basic unalienable rights, IMHO, is incomplete, & one must ask why......what is the reason that it has none.

Here is a video, that isn't narrated by a comedian, but rather by someone who takes his narration seriously.

It's not the only video regarding this issue.

The facts contained in this video are supported by documentation, & supported by numerous Constitutional lawyers & scholars who have exhaustively studied & researched the notes, writings, & other documentation of America's Founding Fathers to know their "Original Intent" when crafting the Second Amendment, as well as all the other original Amendments to the US Constitution.

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Reply #116 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 9:20pm

Bill O'Reilly has some interesting views on the right to bear arms. He favours a law that stipulates what those bearable firearms are. That seems reasonable. What is the cut-off category. A 50 calibre on a tripod? Grenade launcher? Let's face it, its damned unsportsmanlike to take out a deer or a kangaroo with a machine gun. So you cannot come on with the sporting shooter bullsh!t. Personally, I think sport ends with the open sight. Can't make the shot without a scope? Poor baby!

Any banned semi-automatic, or single action version of weapons that are based on an automatic design, can be modified to fully automatic; some quite easily. So there is a problem right there.

And when it comes to relying on the background checks and other official review, we have just seen a huge massacre in Florida by a person who had been refused his purchase, and was then reported to the police. The guy had a record, and the police did nothing to check up on what he was doing. What's the point in reporting a suspected terrorist?

Anyone who thinks the American gun ownership issue can be corrected with a few laws, should look more carefully. Its easy to pontificate at this distance. In the mean time, depending on the year, Australia is the 6th to 8th largest importer of firearms. Around 140,000 firearms a year not counting the military. Police account for 5%. Its funny how Americans like O'Reilly think we cannot buy guns here.

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Crazy Yanky gun laws Reply #117 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 9:26pm And I think thats the key issuevoter, no ones really suggesting ban all guns but surely reasonable limitations are fine. Keep your handguns but get rid of more powerful stuff and have stroing background checks and enforce them
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Mortdooley Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6965 Texas Gulf Coast Gender:	Re: Crazy Yanky gun laws Reply #118 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 11:00pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 10:53am: I know he's a comedian, but this seems to disagree with what Panther says about the history of the 2nd amendment If more young adults had JOBS this little beta male metrosexual wouldn't have much of an audience. His gun show bubbas look very much like props.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 102458 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Crazy Yanky gun laws Reply #119 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 11:04pm We don't want an Australia like this - Yanky land is enough. Get three coffins ready - A Fistful of Dollars 1964
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