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stunspore Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5097 Gender:	Re: union lacky sacks the CFA board Reply #45 - Jun 12^th, 2016 at 6:18pm Rather than some stupid opinions/rants that the union opposers/lib supporters/ignorants are just posting, how about you post either: facts; or questions you have about this whole CFA and let people who bothered to read up, enlighten them?
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Reply #46 - Jun 12^th, 2016 at 6:19pm

stunspore wrote on Jun 12^th, 2016 at 6:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 12^th, 2016 at 6:10pm:

cods wrote on Jun 12^th, 2016 at 6:02pm:

I have always been led to believe that any one who does not join the union should not be allowed to benefit from the rewards the union works for..

Unfortunately, a worker doesn't have to be a Union member in order to be covered by a Union-negotiated Agreement.

Indeed it works both ways. Non-union workers don't have to pay dues or strike (and lose pay) and yet gain the benefits of improved EBA after union negotiations.

Yep.

They can bitch and moan all they want about Unions, and never pay a cent in Union fees their entire life, and yet they still get all the pay rises and benefits contained in an EBA.

Plus, they still get all the benefits won by Unions in the past: paid sick leave, meal & rest breaks, etc. etc.

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Reply #47 - Jun 12^th, 2016 at 8:00pm

stunspore wrote on Jun 12^th, 2016 at 6:05pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 12^th, 2016 at 5:21pm:

teddybear wrote on Jun 12^th, 2016 at 5:00pm:

check your fknn ABC Volunteers leaving CFA You c$^#t ANDREWS Angry Angry

I read that article .. it says nothing about volunteers being made to join a union ... in fact it says the opposite

"Volunteers will not be affected by this agreement," he said.

"There are specific clauses in the agreement that protect the vital role of our volunteers. That will not change.

have you got anything else to support the claim that they are forcing volunteers to join a union?

Why do the lib supporters insist on lying over facts? it's indefensible. I can understand people can have and support different opinions but to consistently lie is something i just don't get.

because honesty will see them laughed at ....

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Hoss Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 761 talbot victoria Gender:	Re: union lacky sacks the CFA board Reply #48 - Jun 13^th, 2016 at 3:05pm HI ALL As i understand it The CFA cannot turn out to any fire? Until seven paid firefighters attend. Anywhere in the state, best way to solve the problem all firefighters are paid professionals no volunteers at all. This Andrews Government gone Cuckoo
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Reply #49 - Jun 13^th, 2016 at 3:17pm

Hoss wrote on Jun 13^th, 2016 at 3:05pm:

HI ALL

As i understand it The CFA cannot turn out to any fire? Until seven paid firefighters attend. Anywhere in the state, best way to solve the problem all firefighters are paid professionals no volunteers at all.

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Not correct. From the CFA-

'Claim: The UFU clause does not mean 7 paid firefighters will need to be on-scene before volunteers can start firefighting.

Fact: While volunteers will be able to begin firefighting immediately, paid firefighters will not be able to join them in fighting the fire until there are 7 staff present at the incident'

https://cfaonline.cfa.vic.gov.au/mycfa/Show?pageId=publicDisplayDoc&docId=026285

Volunteers firefighters are not staff.

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Vic Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8568 Melbourne Victoria Gender:	Re: union lacky sacks the CFA board Reply #50 - Jun 13^th, 2016 at 3:29pm My Nephew is a Firefighter in the Victorian CFA. When the whole story comes out, there are are few righties on here that are gunna have a lot of egg on their collective faces. Best not to comment unless the full story is out - so far it isn't.
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stunspore Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5097 Gender:	Re: union lacky sacks the CFA board Reply #51 - Jun 13^th, 2016 at 3:35pm Is Hoss clear about his misconception? Or is he going to remain ignorant?
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stunspore Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5097 Gender:	Re: union lacky sacks the CFA board Reply #52 - Jun 13^th, 2016 at 3:40pm Please, oh please, can the lib supporters/union haters please read the facts before posting opinions which are based on lies?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20221 Gender:	Re: union lacky sacks the CFA board Reply #53 - Jun 13^th, 2016 at 4:33pm stunspore wrote on Jun 13^th, 2016 at 3:40pm: Please, oh please, can the lib supporters/union haters please read the facts before posting opinions which are based on lies? Is it a lie that CFA legal opinion, taken from the Vic Governments Solicitor, that the EBA approved by WorkChoices, is illegal?
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Reply #54 - Jun 13^th, 2016 at 5:11pm

lee wrote on Jun 13^th, 2016 at 3:17pm:

Hoss wrote on Jun 13^th, 2016 at 3:05pm:

HI ALL

As i understand it The CFA cannot turn out to any fire? Until seven paid firefighters attend. Anywhere in the state, best way to solve the problem all firefighters are paid professionals no volunteers at all.

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This Andrews Government gone Cuckoo Cheesy

Not correct. From the CFA-

'Claim: The UFU clause does not mean 7 paid firefighters will need to be on-scene before volunteers can start firefighting.

Fact: While volunteers will be able to begin firefighting immediately, paid firefighters will not be able to join them in fighting the fire until there are 7 staff present at the incident'

https://cfaonline.cfa.vic.gov.au/mycfa/Show?pageId=publicDisplayDoc&docId=026285

Volunteers firefighters are not staff.

sheeees I hope its not my house that will be buring in that case...

they will be all going through the rosters to see whos on penalty rates.. Roll Eyes

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Reply #55 - Jun 13^th, 2016 at 5:16pm

lee wrote on Jun 13^th, 2016 at 4:33pm:

stunspore wrote on Jun 13^th, 2016 at 3:40pm:

Please, oh please, can the lib supporters/union haters please read the facts before posting opinions which are based on lies?

Is it a lie that CFA legal opinion, taken from the Vic Governments Solicitor, that the EBA approved by WorkChoices, is illegal?

is it a lie.. Andrews sacked the CFA.

The CFA's leadership team earlier said it had received advice from the Government's senior crown counsel that reaffirmed parts of the agreement were unlawful.

It was concerned about a clause in the proposed EBA requiring them to have at least seven paid firefighters on the scene of eve Quote:

ry incident, and a push to prevent volunteers issuing orders.

why is this a sackable offence..?..

volunteers have been fighting fires since whitey got here suddenly they are not good enough to give an order??.....

whos pulling rank now?

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Reply #56 - Jun 13^th, 2016 at 5:20pm

cods wrote on Jun 13^th, 2016 at 5:11pm:

lee wrote on Jun 13^th, 2016 at 3:17pm:

Hoss wrote on Jun 13^th, 2016 at 3:05pm:

HI ALL

As i understand it The CFA cannot turn out to any fire? Until seven paid firefighters attend. Anywhere in the state, best way to solve the problem all firefighters are paid professionals no volunteers at all.

Cool

This Andrews Government gone Cuckoo Cheesy

Not correct. From the CFA-

'Claim: The UFU clause does not mean 7 paid firefighters will need to be on-scene before volunteers can start firefighting.

Fact: While volunteers will be able to begin firefighting immediately, paid firefighters will not be able to join them in fighting the fire until there are 7 staff present at the incident'

https://cfaonline.cfa.vic.gov.au/mycfa/Show?pageId=publicDisplayDoc&docId=026285

Volunteers firefighters are not staff.

sheeees I hope its not my house that will be buring in that case...

they will be all going through the rosters to see whos on penalty rates.. Roll Eyes

seeing as you live in Canberra and this is about Victoria, that probably won't happen Roll Eyes

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Reply #57 - Jun 13^th, 2016 at 5:25pm

cods wrote on Jun 13^th, 2016 at 5:16pm:

lee wrote on Jun 13^th, 2016 at 4:33pm:

stunspore wrote on Jun 13^th, 2016 at 3:40pm:

Please, oh please, can the lib supporters/union haters please read the facts before posting opinions which are based on lies?

Is it a lie that CFA legal opinion, taken from the Vic Governments Solicitor, that the EBA approved by WorkChoices, is illegal?

is it a lie.. Andrews sacked the CFA.

The CFA's leadership team earlier said it had received advice from the Government's senior crown counsel that reaffirmed parts of the agreement were unlawful.

It was concerned about a clause in the proposed EBA requiring them to have at least seven paid firefighters on the scene of eve Quote:

ry incident, and a push to prevent volunteers issuing orders.

why is this a sackable offence..?..

volunteers have been fighting fires since whitey got here suddenly they are not good enough to give an order??.....

whos pulling rank now?

No, Andrews did not sack the CFA! How could he do that? He sacked the CFA BOARD!. I thought fire doors were thick - but some posters on here are beyond it. Wait till the FULL story comes out - least you all end up with yet more egg on your faces

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20221 Gender:	Re: union lacky sacks the CFA board Reply #58 - Jun 13^th, 2016 at 5:43pm Vic wrote on Jun 13^th, 2016 at 5:25pm: Wait till the FULL story comes out - least you all end up with yet more egg on your faces What chance of the FULL story coming out?
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