Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 2 3 4
Send Topic Print
union lacky sacks the CFA board (Read 11504 times)
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 41380
Gender: male
union lacky sacks the CFA board
Jun 10th, 2016 at 8:57pm
 

this is the left

Quote:
CFA board sacked by Victorian Government in bitter dispute over pay and conditions

The Victorian Government has made good on its promise to sack the board of the Country Fire Authority (CFA) after it failed to accept its latest offer over pay and conditions, despite the Supreme Court granting an urgent injunction to stop the board from voting on it.

The Government gave an ultimatum it would begin proceedings to remove the board by 5:00pm if the amended deal put forward by Cabinet was not agreed to.

But shortly after, volunteer firefighters were granted an urgent injunction by the court to stop the CFA from voting on it until June 22.

Despite this, Deputy Premier James Merlino, who was appointed as Emergency Services Minister following the resignation of Jane Garrett on Friday morning, said the Government had moved to sack the board.

"I do not have confidence in the ability of the board to end a dispute that has gone on for far too long and to deliver the reform that the Country Fire Authority needs to keep our community safe," Mr Merlino said in a statement.

Volunteer Fire Brigades Victoria argued in court that the CFA board breached its legal duty by failing to consult volunteers on the EBA, and the CFA did not oppose the move.

The CFA's leadership team earlier said it had received advice from the Government's senior crown counsel that reaffirmed parts of the agreement were unlawful.

It was concerned about a clause in the proposed EBA requiring them to have at least seven paid firefighters on the scene of every incident, and a push to prevent volunteers issuing orders.
'Enormous divide' between management and firefighters

Mr Merlino said additional safeguards had been made to the agreement to address the issues raised by the CFA, but their refusal was not the sole reason for the decision to sack the board.

He said the recent inquiry into Fiskville and a recent review of the fire services found "significant cultural and governance failures", morale was low and there was "an enormous divide between senior management and firefighters".

"Volunteer and career firefighters have told us they're sick of being used as a political football - they want this fixed so they can focus on fighting fires and keeping their communities safe," he said.

Opposition Leader Matthew Guy said the Government was "smashing up the CFA" for a political payback.

"Daniel Andrews has bullied his minister out of a job, he's about to sack the CFA board, he's going to sack the CFA CEO, who he proudly appointed not even 12 months ago," Mr Guy said.
Firefighters' dispute explained

"No one agrees with him. It's his way or the highway.

"The CFA is in his way because it's standing in the way between him paying back a small but militant union that got him the job."


Premier Daniel Andrews said clauses would be inserted into the agreement to protect volunteer firefighters.

"I was not prepared ... to continue to have this dispute drag on dangerously in a bitter and spiteful distraction from the important work of fighting fire and keeping our communities safe," he said.

"I am more determined than ever, having got this deal done, to focus on the reform that must be made to deal with culture and to deal with performance in the Country Fire Authority."


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-10/cfa-board-sacked-by-victorian-government/7...
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
stunspore
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 5097
Gender: male
Re: union lacky sacks the CFA board
Reply #1 - Jun 10th, 2016 at 9:15pm
 
-Would love true facts being presented rather than all these myths people put out. 

- Did you know the firefighters had not have a new EBA for about 8 years?  That's no increase in wages for 6 years - if one assume CPI is about 2%, then that's about 12% wage drop by now (using the formula 0.98^6).  That's quite a conservative estimate since CPI has been more than 2%.

- The so called 7 fighters on scene has been misinterpreted.  What I heard is that as long as total of 7 dispatched (on the way) and not on arrival, is when the career firefighters take active action. CFA can continue to do what they need to do regardless.

Any other misconceptions/lies/ignorance people still have?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Lobo
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 7408
Sydney
Gender: male
Re: union lacky sacks the CFA board
Reply #2 - Jun 10th, 2016 at 9:21pm
 
stunspore wrote on Jun 10th, 2016 at 9:15pm:
-Would love true facts being presented rather than all these myths people put out. 

- Did you know the firefighters had not have a new EBA for about 8 years?  That's no increase in wages for 6 years - if one assume CPI is about 2%, then that's about 12% wage drop by now (using the formula 0.98^6).  That's quite a conservative estimate since CPI has been more than 2%.

- The so called 7 fighters on scene has been misinterpreted.  What I heard is that as long as total of 7 dispatched (on the way) and not on arrival, is when the career firefighters take active action. CFA can continue to do what they need to do regardless.

Any other misconceptions/lies/ignorance people still have?


Got it in one, Stun, but we can't have the facts get in the way of a good rant, can we???

Back to top
 

"What's in store for me in the direction I don't take?"-Jack Kerouac.
 
IP Logged
 
sir prince duke alevine
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 23619
Gender: male
Re: union lacky sacks the CFA board
Reply #3 - Jun 10th, 2016 at 9:22pm
 
How exactly are the CFA volunteers being sold out?
Back to top
 

Disclaimer for Mothra per POST so it is forever acknowledged: Saying 'Islam' or 'Muslims' doesn't mean ALL muslims. This does not target individual muslims who's opinion I am not aware of.
 
IP Logged
 
stunspore
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 5097
Gender: male
Re: union lacky sacks the CFA board
Reply #4 - Jun 10th, 2016 at 9:41pm
 
The fair work people did approve this agreement - the independent people.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
stunspore
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 5097
Gender: male
Re: union lacky sacks the CFA board
Reply #5 - Jun 10th, 2016 at 9:47pm
 
another sticking point is where there is conflict between CFA and UFU -> that there needs to be consultation over disputes between the two parties.  nothing wrong in putting to paper how to resolve conflicts.

A short summary:
https://www.crikey.com.au/2016/06/06/why-is-the-cfa-fighting-the-ufu-crikey/

It doesn't seem to have lib spin (or lab either) so my guess is it might not make sense to the lib supporters.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
lee
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20203
Gender: male
Re: union lacky sacks the CFA board
Reply #6 - Jun 10th, 2016 at 9:55pm
 
'He has rightly cited the Fair Work Commission's non-binding recommendations that say volunteers will not be worse off, but the CFA's legal advice - written by the government's own counsel - says the agreement is unlawful because it breaches equality and diversity laws.'

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/cfa-crisis-andrews-didnt-start-the-fire-but-he...
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 90008
Proud Old White Australian Man
Gender: male
Re: union lacky sacks the CFA board
Reply #7 - Jun 10th, 2016 at 9:58pm
 
At least the minister sheila quit..... resignation accepted....
Back to top
 

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
 
IP Logged
 
lee
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20203
Gender: male
Re: union lacky sacks the CFA board
Reply #8 - Jun 10th, 2016 at 10:24pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 10th, 2016 at 9:58pm:
At least the minister sheila quit..... resignation accepted....



Yeah, because she accepted the legal position.. How bizarre that you don't want the rule of law.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 90008
Proud Old White Australian Man
Gender: male
Re: union lacky sacks the CFA board
Reply #9 - Jun 10th, 2016 at 10:38pm
 
lee wrote on Jun 10th, 2016 at 10:24pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 10th, 2016 at 9:58pm:
At least the minister sheila quit..... resignation accepted....



Yeah, because she accepted the legal position.. How bizarre that you don't want the rule of law.


Apparently the problem was that she was playing the men and not the game... making out she was a good ol' girl and on the side of the poor beleaguered CFA... when the CFA stood to lose nothing in the agreement and the whole thing was a beat-up by the media.

That's how it looks from here..... she was given the facts and figures and realities, and given the choice of being a loyal Party member and accepting things as written - or offer her resignation.  She offered - the government accepted.

Your idea of the 'legal position' is?  What?
Back to top
 

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
 
IP Logged
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 90008
Proud Old White Australian Man
Gender: male
Re: union lacky sacks the CFA board
Reply #10 - Jun 10th, 2016 at 10:44pm
 
I love it when the 'righties' extend their virulent hatred of Unions to the service Unions that preserve and protect their property.....

Next let's get the Nurse's Unions since they currently hold so much power, with 12% of the Australian economy dependent on health provision... let's neuter the Police Association and prevent them screeching about 'softcock' judges etc..... let's cop the Ambos and make an example of their Union since they are just a bunch of layabouts anyway...

One day you low-class peasants in reality will understand that the ONLY reason you get the education and opportunities and protections in work you do is because men brave and true stood up for a fair shake in the profits of industry and a fair go for all and not just the 'born to prosper' lot .... those men were called 'Unions'.
Back to top
 

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
 
IP Logged
 
Setanta
Gold Member
*****
Offline


\/ Peace man!

Posts: 17241
Northern NSW
Gender: male
Re: union lacky sacks the CFA board
Reply #11 - Jun 10th, 2016 at 10:49pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 10th, 2016 at 10:44pm:
I love it when the 'righties' extend their virulent hatred of Unions to the service Unions that preserve and protect their property.....

Next let's get the Nurse's Unions since they currently hold so much power, with 12% of the Australian economy dependent on health provision... let's neuter the Police Association and prevent them screeching about 'softcock' judges etc..... let's cop the Ambos and make an example of their Union since they are just a bunch of layabouts anyway...

One day you low-class peasants in reality will understand that the ONLY reason you get the education and opportunities and protections in work you do is because men brave and true stood up for a fair shake in the profits of industry and a fair go for all and not just the 'born to prosper' lot .... those men were called 'Unions'.


Not sure about that Grap. I don't see any righty ever dumping on the police union and trying to break them. They are the ones that protect them, not the firefighters.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
stunspore
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 5097
Gender: male
Re: union lacky sacks the CFA board
Reply #12 - Jun 10th, 2016 at 11:47pm
 
lee wrote on Jun 10th, 2016 at 9:55pm:
'He has rightly cited the Fair Work Commission's non-binding recommendations that say volunteers will not be worse off, but the CFA's legal advice - written by the government's own counsel - says the agreement is unlawful because it breaches equality and diversity laws.'

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/cfa-crisis-andrews-didnt-start-the-fire-but-he...


fair work approved something that breaches?  perhaps a simple rewording?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 90008
Proud Old White Australian Man
Gender: male
Re: union lacky sacks the CFA board
Reply #13 - Jun 11th, 2016 at 1:23am
 
Setanta wrote on Jun 10th, 2016 at 10:49pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 10th, 2016 at 10:44pm:
I love it when the 'righties' extend their virulent hatred of Unions to the service Unions that preserve and protect their property.....

Next let's get the Nurse's Unions since they currently hold so much power, with 12% of the Australian economy dependent on health provision... let's neuter the Police Association and prevent them screeching about 'softcock' judges etc..... let's cop the Ambos and make an example of their Union since they are just a bunch of layabouts anyway...

One day you low-class peasants in reality will understand that the ONLY reason you get the education and opportunities and protections in work you do is because men brave and true stood up for a fair shake in the profits of industry and a fair go for all and not just the 'born to prosper' lot .... those men were called 'Unions'.


Not sure about that Grap. I don't see any righty ever dumping on the police union and trying to break them. They are the ones that protect them, not the firefighters.



I'm just saying that once they start on ONE essential service Union - what is to hold them back from the rest?

Why not revert everyone, including essential services, to absolute servitude and touching the forelock to the lords...

"'Ere now, Plod!  Nah don't bet gettin' above yer station!  When the Laird says you kick them drunken shearers inta loine - that's what ye do!"

My uncle, a police officer for fifty years.... never once subscribed to the idea that in the country towns where he worked, he should be beholden or in any way controlled by the 'squatocracy' and their mates.

What we are seeing here is the 'born to rule' idea that rapes the mind of every person elected or promoted to office in this country... suddenly by holding a 'position' they somehow become imbued with the Divine Right to do as Kings and Queens and Other Sovereigns..... and 'inherit' the Divine Right to dictate to those of 'lesser' stature and 'position'.

We've seen this with Labor women and their demand that either companies have 50% women in the top slots or they suffer legislation that will enforce that.... we've seen the shenanigans of Joey and Tony and their like for years....

NONE of these twerps thinks that their elected office is anything LESS than some absolute 'mandate' to dictate to the peasantry - who will take it and love it...


Back to top
 

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
 
IP Logged
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 90008
Proud Old White Australian Man
Gender: male
Re: union lacky sacks the CFA board
Reply #14 - Jun 11th, 2016 at 1:32am
 
stunspore wrote on Jun 10th, 2016 at 11:47pm:
lee wrote on Jun 10th, 2016 at 9:55pm:
'He has rightly cited the Fair Work Commission's non-binding recommendations that say volunteers will not be worse off, but the CFA's legal advice - written by the government's own counsel - says the agreement is unlawful because it breaches equality and diversity laws.'

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/cfa-crisis-andrews-didnt-start-the-fire-but-he...


fair work approved something that breaches?  perhaps a simple rewording?


HOW does it breach anything.. apart from those rather generalised 'equality' clauses that are so malleable and are subject to the whim of every politician or croney who comes along, and which only apply as long as it fits the party line?

Hermann Goering, when confronted by a NAZI over his house butler, who was Jewish, said:- "I will determine who is and who is NOT a Jew here!"

You can look at this from many directions - but the point here is that a Rule cannot be malleable and at the whim of a politician or party.....

My Jewish ancestors left Hamburg in the 1850's to come here and establish a business worth millions today... so don't point fingers at me over Semitism or its opposite .... I merely point out the mechanism of these things and post, academically, the functionings of them.  I do not make moral judgements (until and unless it suits me)....
Back to top
 

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 2 3 4
Send Topic Print