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Re: Will todays terrorist attack alter the election?
Reply #120 - Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:10am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 9:59am:

He was a patient in a psychiatric facility who escaped three weeks ago. According to various news reports, Police weren't even notified of his escape until yesterday, I believe. Nothing to do with terrorism, just a nutcase who escaped ...

Yes, two weeks ago according to Channel 7 "News" (not that I'd trust them).

There has, however, been no claim of terrorism from: the man who was shot; the police; the media, or; any of the witnesses.

This appears to be a case of mentally ill man who was taken down by inexperienced police.

I'm not excusing his behaviour in the slightest, but it does appear that the police have over-reacted.

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Re: Will todays terrorist attack alter the election?
Reply #121 - Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:12am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:10am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 9:59am:

He was a patient in a psychiatric facility who escaped three weeks ago. According to various news reports, Police weren't even notified of his escape until yesterday, I believe. Nothing to do with terrorism, just a nutcase who escaped ...

Yes, two weeks ago according to Channel 7 "News" (not that I'd trust them).

There has, however, been no claim of terrorism from: the man who was shot; the police; the media, or; any of the witnesses.

This appears to be a case of mentally ill man who was taken down by inexperienced police.

I'm not excusing his behaviour in the slightest, but it does appear that the police have over-reacted.

Another keyboard warrior who knows better than trained Police Officers. Roll Eyes

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Re: Will todays terrorist attack alter the election?
Reply #122 - Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:14am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:12am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:10am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 9:59am:

He was a patient in a psychiatric facility who escaped three weeks ago. According to various news reports, Police weren't even notified of his escape until yesterday, I believe. Nothing to do with terrorism, just a nutcase who escaped ...

Yes, two weeks ago according to Channel 7 "News" (not that I'd trust them).

There has, however, been no claim of terrorism from: the man who was shot; the police; the media, or; any of the witnesses.

This appears to be a case of mentally ill man who was taken down by inexperienced police.

I'm not excusing his behaviour in the slightest, but it does appear that the police have over-reacted.

Another keyboard warrior who knows better than trained Police Officers.

I can only go by what I've seen and heard.

He had a knife, and three women were shot.

It certainly seems to be an over-reaction.

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Re: Will todays terrorist attack alter the election?
Reply #123 - Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:53am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:12am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:10am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 9:59am:

He was a patient in a psychiatric facility who escaped three weeks ago. According to various news reports, Police weren't even notified of his escape until yesterday, I believe. Nothing to do with terrorism, just a nutcase who escaped ...

Yes, two weeks ago according to Channel 7 "News" (not that I'd trust them).

There has, however, been no claim of terrorism from: the man who was shot; the police; the media, or; any of the witnesses.

This appears to be a case of mentally ill man who was taken down by inexperienced police.

I'm not excusing his behaviour in the slightest, but it does appear that the police have over-reacted.

Another keyboard warrior who knows better than trained Police Officers. Roll Eyes

How many rounds do they get to fire in their training? I used to fire a hundred or more a day at one time in my life, up to the point where I could hip-shoot a moving target or hit a target without sights.

You'll need to understand the situation that these police were confronted with and what danger this nut case presented to civilians and/or police at the time he was shot.

If he'd killed someone with the knife, the cries would have been about the police not taking him down instead of allowing this to happen.

Collateral damage.

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Reply #124 - Jun 10^th, 2016 at 11:11am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:53am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:12am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:10am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 9:59am:

He was a patient in a psychiatric facility who escaped three weeks ago. According to various news reports, Police weren't even notified of his escape until yesterday, I believe. Nothing to do with terrorism, just a nutcase who escaped ...

Yes, two weeks ago according to Channel 7 "News" (not that I'd trust them).

There has, however, been no claim of terrorism from: the man who was shot; the police; the media, or; any of the witnesses.

This appears to be a case of mentally ill man who was taken down by inexperienced police.

I'm not excusing his behaviour in the slightest, but it does appear that the police have over-reacted.

Another keyboard warrior who knows better than trained Police Officers. Roll Eyes

How many rounds do they get to fire in their training? I used to fire a hundred or more a day at one time in my life, up to the point where I could hip-shoot a moving target or hit a target without sights.

You'll need to understand the situation that these police were confronted with and what danger this nut case presented to civilians and/or police at the time he was shot.

If he'd killed someone with the knife, the cries would have been about the police not taking him down instead of allowing this to happen.

Collateral damage.

Certainly a strong case for some retraining, i am.led to believe the coppers get 2 days of firearm training in the academy and thats it , no annual assessments at the range , 2 days thats it

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Re: Will todays terrorist attack alter the election?
Reply #125 - Jun 10^th, 2016 at 12:42pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:12am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:10am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 9:59am:

He was a patient in a psychiatric facility who escaped three weeks ago. According to various news reports, Police weren't even notified of his escape until yesterday, I believe. Nothing to do with terrorism, just a nutcase who escaped ...

Yes, two weeks ago according to Channel 7 "News" (not that I'd trust them).

There has, however, been no claim of terrorism from: the man who was shot; the police; the media, or; any of the witnesses.

This appears to be a case of mentally ill man who was taken down by inexperienced police.

I'm not excusing his behaviour in the slightest, but it does appear that the police have over-reacted.

Another keyboard warrior who knows better than trained Police Officers.

I can only go by what I've seen and heard.

He had a knife, and three women were shot.

It certainly seems to be an over-reaction.

The three women you're talking about weren't "shot" per se. They were struck by either ricochet or bullet fragments. Police did not shoot the three elderly women. They shot the offender holding the knife. But I'd love to see how you handle such a high pressure situation yourself. I'm betting you'd collapse under the strain.

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Re: Will todays terrorist attack alter the election?
Reply #126 - Jun 10^th, 2016 at 12:47pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 12:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:12am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:10am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 9:59am:

He was a patient in a psychiatric facility who escaped three weeks ago. According to various news reports, Police weren't even notified of his escape until yesterday, I believe. Nothing to do with terrorism, just a nutcase who escaped ...

Yes, two weeks ago according to Channel 7 "News" (not that I'd trust them).

There has, however, been no claim of terrorism from: the man who was shot; the police; the media, or; any of the witnesses.

This appears to be a case of mentally ill man who was taken down by inexperienced police.

I'm not excusing his behaviour in the slightest, but it does appear that the police have over-reacted.

Another keyboard warrior who knows better than trained Police Officers.

I can only go by what I've seen and heard.

He had a knife, and three women were shot.

It certainly seems to be an over-reaction.

The three women you're talking about weren't "shot" per se. They were struck by either ricochet or bullet fragments. Police did not shoot the three elderly women. They shot the offender holding the knife. But I'd love to see how you handle such a high pressure situation yourself. I'm betting you'd collapse under the strain.

Comes down to training once again

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Re: Will todays terrorist attack alter the election?
Reply #127 - Jun 10^th, 2016 at 12:47pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 12:42pm:

The three women you're talking about weren't "shot" per se. They were struck by either ricochet or bullet fragments.

Semantics. Let's move on.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 12:42pm:

But I'd love to see how you handle such a high pressure situation yourself. I'm betting you'd collapse under the strain.

I've tackled two people with knives in my life.

The first, I kicked hard & fast in the balls. He never got up again.

The other I wrestled with, and managed to get the knife out of his hands with only minimal injuries to myself (a cut to my thumb requiring a few stitches).

Who knows how I would have gone if I had had police training.

These officers seem to have over-reacted.

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Reply #128 - Jun 10^th, 2016 at 12:48pm

Its time wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 11:11am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:53am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:12am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:10am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 9:59am:

He was a patient in a psychiatric facility who escaped three weeks ago. According to various news reports, Police weren't even notified of his escape until yesterday, I believe. Nothing to do with terrorism, just a nutcase who escaped ...

Yes, two weeks ago according to Channel 7 "News" (not that I'd trust them).

There has, however, been no claim of terrorism from: the man who was shot; the police; the media, or; any of the witnesses.

This appears to be a case of mentally ill man who was taken down by inexperienced police.

I'm not excusing his behaviour in the slightest, but it does appear that the police have over-reacted.

Another keyboard warrior who knows better than trained Police Officers. Roll Eyes

How many rounds do they get to fire in their training? I used to fire a hundred or more a day at one time in my life, up to the point where I could hip-shoot a moving target or hit a target without sights.

You'll need to understand the situation that these police were confronted with and what danger this nut case presented to civilians and/or police at the time he was shot.

If he'd killed someone with the knife, the cries would have been about the police not taking him down instead of allowing this to happen.

Collateral damage.

Certainly a strong case for some retraining, i am.led to believe the coppers get 2 days of firearm training in the academy and thats it , no annual assessments at the range , 2 days thats it

Wrong. The NSW Police Force requires all operational Police Officers to undergo bi-annual (that means twice a year) weapons training.

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Re: Will todays terrorist attack alter the election?
Reply #129 - Jun 10^th, 2016 at 12:53pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 12:48pm:

Its time wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 11:11am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:53am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:12am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:10am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 9:59am:

He was a patient in a psychiatric facility who escaped three weeks ago. According to various news reports, Police weren't even notified of his escape until yesterday, I believe. Nothing to do with terrorism, just a nutcase who escaped ...

Yes, two weeks ago according to Channel 7 "News" (not that I'd trust them).

There has, however, been no claim of terrorism from: the man who was shot; the police; the media, or; any of the witnesses.

This appears to be a case of mentally ill man who was taken down by inexperienced police.

I'm not excusing his behaviour in the slightest, but it does appear that the police have over-reacted.

Another keyboard warrior who knows better than trained Police Officers. Roll Eyes

How many rounds do they get to fire in their training? I used to fire a hundred or more a day at one time in my life, up to the point where I could hip-shoot a moving target or hit a target without sights.

You'll need to understand the situation that these police were confronted with and what danger this nut case presented to civilians and/or police at the time he was shot.

If he'd killed someone with the knife, the cries would have been about the police not taking him down instead of allowing this to happen.

Collateral damage.

Certainly a strong case for some retraining, i am.led to believe the coppers get 2 days of firearm training in the academy and thats it , no annual assessments at the range , 2 days thats it

Wrong. The NSW Police Force requires all operational Police Officers to undergo bi-annual (that means twice a year) weapons training.

And still missed Shocked

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Re: Will todays terrorist attack alter the election?
Reply #130 - Jun 10^th, 2016 at 12:53pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 12:48pm:

Its time wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 11:11am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:53am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:12am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:10am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 9:59am:

He was a patient in a psychiatric facility who escaped three weeks ago. According to various news reports, Police weren't even notified of his escape until yesterday, I believe. Nothing to do with terrorism, just a nutcase who escaped ...

Yes, two weeks ago according to Channel 7 "News" (not that I'd trust them).

There has, however, been no claim of terrorism from: the man who was shot; the police; the media, or; any of the witnesses.

This appears to be a case of mentally ill man who was taken down by inexperienced police.

I'm not excusing his behaviour in the slightest, but it does appear that the police have over-reacted.

Another keyboard warrior who knows better than trained Police Officers. Roll Eyes

How many rounds do they get to fire in their training? I used to fire a hundred or more a day at one time in my life, up to the point where I could hip-shoot a moving target or hit a target without sights.

You'll need to understand the situation that these police were confronted with and what danger this nut case presented to civilians and/or police at the time he was shot.

If he'd killed someone with the knife, the cries would have been about the police not taking him down instead of allowing this to happen.

Collateral damage.

Certainly a strong case for some retraining, i am.led to believe the coppers get 2 days of firearm training in the academy and thats it , no annual assessments at the range , 2 days thats it

Wrong. The NSW Police Force requires all operational Police Officers to undergo bi-annual (that means twice a year) weapons training.

Do you have more details on this?

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Reply #131 - Jun 10^th, 2016 at 12:57pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 12:53pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 12:48pm:

Its time wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 11:11am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:53am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:12am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:10am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 9:59am:

He was a patient in a psychiatric facility who escaped three weeks ago. According to various news reports, Police weren't even notified of his escape until yesterday, I believe. Nothing to do with terrorism, just a nutcase who escaped ...

Yes, two weeks ago according to Channel 7 "News" (not that I'd trust them).

There has, however, been no claim of terrorism from: the man who was shot; the police; the media, or; any of the witnesses.

This appears to be a case of mentally ill man who was taken down by inexperienced police.

I'm not excusing his behaviour in the slightest, but it does appear that the police have over-reacted.

Another keyboard warrior who knows better than trained Police Officers. Roll Eyes

How many rounds do they get to fire in their training? I used to fire a hundred or more a day at one time in my life, up to the point where I could hip-shoot a moving target or hit a target without sights.

You'll need to understand the situation that these police were confronted with and what danger this nut case presented to civilians and/or police at the time he was shot.

If he'd killed someone with the knife, the cries would have been about the police not taking him down instead of allowing this to happen.

Collateral damage.

Certainly a strong case for some retraining, i am.led to believe the coppers get 2 days of firearm training in the academy and thats it , no annual assessments at the range , 2 days thats it

Wrong. The NSW Police Force requires all operational Police Officers to undergo bi-annual (that means twice a year) weapons training.

Do you have more details on this?

Perth was once and thats it to the best of my knowledge

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Reply #132 - Jun 10^th, 2016 at 1:01pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 12:53pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 12:48pm:

Its time wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 11:11am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:53am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:12am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:10am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 9:59am:

He was a patient in a psychiatric facility who escaped three weeks ago. According to various news reports, Police weren't even notified of his escape until yesterday, I believe. Nothing to do with terrorism, just a nutcase who escaped ...

Yes, two weeks ago according to Channel 7 "News" (not that I'd trust them).

There has, however, been no claim of terrorism from: the man who was shot; the police; the media, or; any of the witnesses.

This appears to be a case of mentally ill man who was taken down by inexperienced police.

I'm not excusing his behaviour in the slightest, but it does appear that the police have over-reacted.

Another keyboard warrior who knows better than trained Police Officers. Roll Eyes

How many rounds do they get to fire in their training? I used to fire a hundred or more a day at one time in my life, up to the point where I could hip-shoot a moving target or hit a target without sights.

You'll need to understand the situation that these police were confronted with and what danger this nut case presented to civilians and/or police at the time he was shot.

If he'd killed someone with the knife, the cries would have been about the police not taking him down instead of allowing this to happen.

Collateral damage.

Certainly a strong case for some retraining, i am.led to believe the coppers get 2 days of firearm training in the academy and thats it , no annual assessments at the range , 2 days thats it

Wrong. The NSW Police Force requires all operational Police Officers to undergo bi-annual (that means twice a year) weapons training.

Do you have more details on this?

Nope. Just something I remember from a conversation with my younger brother and some of his friends, one of whom was a rookie Police Officer at the time (he's now a detective) who was being asked about his job as a cop and one of the things he said was he had to be tested on firearms proficiency twice a year in order to stay on the beat. Fail and you're desk-bound.

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Re: Will todays terrorist attack alter the election?
Reply #133 - Jun 10^th, 2016 at 1:04pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 1:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 12:53pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 12:48pm:

Its time wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 11:11am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:53am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:12am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:10am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 9:59am:

He was a patient in a psychiatric facility who escaped three weeks ago. According to various news reports, Police weren't even notified of his escape until yesterday, I believe. Nothing to do with terrorism, just a nutcase who escaped ...

Yes, two weeks ago according to Channel 7 "News" (not that I'd trust them).

There has, however, been no claim of terrorism from: the man who was shot; the police; the media, or; any of the witnesses.

This appears to be a case of mentally ill man who was taken down by inexperienced police.

I'm not excusing his behaviour in the slightest, but it does appear that the police have over-reacted.

Another keyboard warrior who knows better than trained Police Officers. Roll Eyes

How many rounds do they get to fire in their training? I used to fire a hundred or more a day at one time in my life, up to the point where I could hip-shoot a moving target or hit a target without sights.

You'll need to understand the situation that these police were confronted with and what danger this nut case presented to civilians and/or police at the time he was shot.

If he'd killed someone with the knife, the cries would have been about the police not taking him down instead of allowing this to happen.

Collateral damage.

Certainly a strong case for some retraining, i am.led to believe the coppers get 2 days of firearm training in the academy and thats it , no annual assessments at the range , 2 days thats it

Wrong. The NSW Police Force requires all operational Police Officers to undergo bi-annual (that means twice a year) weapons training.

Do you have more details on this?

Nope. Just something I remember from a conversation with my younger brother and some of his friends, one of whom was a rookie Police Officer at the time (he's now a detective) who was being asked about his job as a cop and one of the things he said was he had to be tested on firearms proficiency twice a year in order to stay on the beat. Fail and you're desk-bound.

I'm just wondering what it actually involves.

Fire 6 rounds in a firing range, and that's it?

Who knows? Undecided

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Reply #134 - Jun 10^th, 2016 at 1:17pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 1:04pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 1:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 12:53pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 12:48pm:

Its time wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 11:11am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:53am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:12am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:10am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 9:59am:

He was a patient in a psychiatric facility who escaped three weeks ago. According to various news reports, Police weren't even notified of his escape until yesterday, I believe. Nothing to do with terrorism, just a nutcase who escaped ...

Yes, two weeks ago according to Channel 7 "News" (not that I'd trust them).

There has, however, been no claim of terrorism from: the man who was shot; the police; the media, or; any of the witnesses.

This appears to be a case of mentally ill man who was taken down by inexperienced police.

I'm not excusing his behaviour in the slightest, but it does appear that the police have over-reacted.

Another keyboard warrior who knows better than trained Police Officers. Roll Eyes

How many rounds do they get to fire in their training? I used to fire a hundred or more a day at one time in my life, up to the point where I could hip-shoot a moving target or hit a target without sights.

You'll need to understand the situation that these police were confronted with and what danger this nut case presented to civilians and/or police at the time he was shot.

If he'd killed someone with the knife, the cries would have been about the police not taking him down instead of allowing this to happen.

Collateral damage.

Certainly a strong case for some retraining, i am.led to believe the coppers get 2 days of firearm training in the academy and thats it , no annual assessments at the range , 2 days thats it

Wrong. The NSW Police Force requires all operational Police Officers to undergo bi-annual (that means twice a year) weapons training.

Do you have more details on this?

Nope. Just something I remember from a conversation with my younger brother and some of his friends, one of whom was a rookie Police Officer at the time (he's now a detective) who was being asked about his job as a cop and one of the things he said was he had to be tested on firearms proficiency twice a year in order to stay on the beat. Fail and you're desk-bound.

I'm just wondering what it actually involves.

Fire 6 rounds in a firing range, and that's it?

Who knows? Undecided

A mixture. Some in an indoor firing range, some in settings such as a fake motel and others in open settings such as a fake street. The Police Academy at Goulburn has all these facilities, including a computerised virtual reality shooting scenario generator.

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