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Police shooting at Hornsby wounds bystanders
Jun 9^th, 2016 at 6:15pm

At the Farmer's Market at Hornsby today a psychopath went crazy with a knife at the Shopping Centre. *** Correction it was a Female Officer and a Male Officer who were first on scene and footage on Channel 9 News showed the incident when the shooting occurred.

The man ran at a Police Woman and the Officer fired at point blank range about four metres from her, she fired twice and totally missed the knife weilder but she did manage to shoot three shoppers in the background.

As a former Police Officer and in the Air Force a Weapons Training Instructor in the Airfield Defence mustering, I found it unbelievable that the Officer- number one did not take into account the extreme risk in firing in a crowded area and secondly that when she did fire that she missed from point blank range.

I am aware that Police usually only have to go to the firing range once a year to retain accreditation in using as firearm.

Thus demonstrates how pathetic the ongoing firearms training is in the Police Force.

It is my opinion that officers should attend continuation training at least once every three months. Once a year doesn't cut it.

Today's terrible outcome demonstrates how inadequate the process is.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Police shooting at Hornsby wounds bystanders Reply #1 - Jun 9^th, 2016 at 6:17pm it certainly wasn't a good day for those cops. .... bloody stupid to be shooting with innocent people standing behind him, even if they could shoot and actually managed to hit him, it's to easy for the bullets to go straight through at that range. Where were their tasers and pepper sprays?
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Valkie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16183 Central Coast Gender:	Re: Police shooting at Hornsby wounds bystanders Reply #2 - Jun 9^th, 2016 at 6:20pm Cue the Benny Hill music......... I just wish they would get some new training videos. The Keystone Cop videos are getting old.
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39725 Gender:	Re: Police shooting at Hornsby wounds bystanders Reply #3 - Jun 9^th, 2016 at 6:28pm Yeas, Mr Baron. How she missed is amazing. They have my sympathy but.....really?
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Reply #4 - Jun 9^th, 2016 at 6:29pm

It seems strange that the police officers decided to use firearms instead of tasers. Possibly the situation got out of hand quickly and she instinctively reached for her firearm as the offender moved very rapidly towards her, not thinking about the backstop for her rounds. However I won't try to second guess her actions.

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Reply #5 - Jun 9^th, 2016 at 6:41pm

She didnt miss, its clear that she didnt fire at centre mass as trained to do. Lost her nerve and shot him in the legs and hit bystanders. This is why females should not be in these sorts of roles, they can not be relied on. This could have been really ugly if someone elses life depended on her doing her job properly. She needs to resign or get a loss of confidence letter. Disgrace.

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Reply #6 - Jun 9^th, 2016 at 6:44pm

ian wrote on Jun 9^th, 2016 at 6:41pm:

She didnt miss, its clear that she didnt fire at centre mass as trained to do. Lost her nerve and shot him in the legs and hit bystanders. This is why females should not be in these sorts of roles, they can not be relied on.

I'll bet she did. A 9mm does not penetrate much, and certainly does not travel on in any lethal way the sort of distance as happened in this case.

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Reply #7 - Jun 9^th, 2016 at 6:46pm

ian wrote on Jun 9^th, 2016 at 6:41pm:

She didnt miss, its clear that she didnt fire at centre mass as trained to do. Lost her nerve and shot him in the legs and hit bystanders. This is why females should not be in these sorts of roles, they can not be relied on. This could have been really ugly if someone elses life depended on her doing her job properly. She needs to resign or get a loss of confidence letter. Disgrace.

First up ... nice assumption.

Secondly, get bent.

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Reply #8 - Jun 9^th, 2016 at 6:48pm

red baron wrote on Jun 9^th, 2016 at 6:15pm:

At the Farmer's Market at Hornsby today a psychopath went crazy with a knife at the Shopping Centre. Two Police Women were first on the scene and footage on Channel 9 News showed the incident when the shooting occurred.

The man ran at one of the Police Women and the Officer fired at point blank range about four metres from her, she fired twice and totally missed the knife weilder but she did manage to shoot three shoppers in the background.

As a former Police Officer and in the Air Force a Weapons Training Instructor in the Airfield Defence mustering, I found it unbelievable that the Officer- number one did not take into account the extreme risk in firing in a crowded area and secondly that when she did fire that she missed from point blank range.

I am aware that Police usually only have to go to the firing range once a year to retain accreditation in using as firearm.

Thus demonstrates how pathetic the ongoing firearms training is in the Police Force.

It is my opinion that officers should attend continuation training at least once every three months. Once a year doesn't cut it.

Today's terrible outcome demonstrates how inadequate the process is.

I think they should go once a month

she missed(twice) at what's considered point blank range

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Reply #9 - Jun 9^th, 2016 at 6:49pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 9^th, 2016 at 6:44pm:

ian wrote on Jun 9^th, 2016 at 6:41pm:

She didnt miss, its clear that she didnt fire at centre mass as trained to do. Lost her nerve and shot him in the legs and hit bystanders. This is why females should not be in these sorts of roles, they can not be relied on.

I'll bet she did. A 9mm does not penetrate much, and certainly does not travel on in any lethal way the sort of distance as happened in this case.

Irrelevant, coppers are trained to shoot at centre mass, at that sort of distance shooting someone in the legs only means one thing, they didnt aim at centre mass. She lost her nerve and put everyones life at risk.

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Reply #10 - Jun 9^th, 2016 at 6:50pm

It appears to have been an attempted islamic terrorist attack.

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FOUR people have been injured in a shooting outside a shopping centre in Sydney’s northwest after police opened fire on a 23-year-old man carrying a knife. ...

Seven News journalist Robert Ovadia said the knifeman shouted “Allahu Akhbar” before police shot him, and that he had a history of mental health issues.

http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/crime/police-shoot-and-kill-knifeman-at-westfield-hornsby/news-story/09e98074a9f0534020686a76ebee783c

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Reply #11 - Jun 9^th, 2016 at 6:53pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 9^th, 2016 at 6:17pm:

it certainly wasn't a good day for those cops. .... bloody stupid to be shooting with innocent people standing behind him, even if they could shoot and actually managed to hit him, it's to easy for the bullets to go straight through at that range. Where were their tasers and pepper sprays?

In a life or death situation (as it is if someone is lunging towards you with a knife) a gun is more appropriate to protect yourself, regardless of what is behind the target.

A taser is a one shot weapon and useless against a moving target as was the case here.

The police done a good job in stopping the threat.

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Reply #12 - Jun 9^th, 2016 at 6:53pm

mothra wrote on Jun 9^th, 2016 at 6:46pm:

ian wrote on Jun 9^th, 2016 at 6:41pm:

She didnt miss, its clear that she didnt fire at centre mass as trained to do. Lost her nerve and shot him in the legs and hit bystanders. This is why females should not be in these sorts of roles, they can not be relied on. This could have been really ugly if someone elses life depended on her doing her job properly. She needs to resign or get a loss of confidence letter. Disgrace.

First up ... nice assumption.

Secondly, get bent.

Stay out of things you dont understand. Go and do your ironing or something.

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Reply #13 - Jun 9^th, 2016 at 6:56pm

Webtoad wrote on Jun 9^th, 2016 at 6:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 9^th, 2016 at 6:17pm:

it certainly wasn't a good day for those cops. .... bloody stupid to be shooting with innocent people standing behind him, even if they could shoot and actually managed to hit him, it's to easy for the bullets to go straight through at that range. Where were their tasers and pepper sprays?

In a life or death situation (as it is if someone is lunging towards you with a knife) a gun is more appropriate to protect yourself, regardless of what is behind the target.

A taser is a one shot weapon and useless against a moving target as was the case here.

Pretty much on the money

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The police done a good job in stopping the threat.

Not at all, they did a lousy job. 3 bystanders injured due to negligence, lucky no one was killed. This officer will be charged i suspect.

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Reply #14 - Jun 9^th, 2016 at 6:56pm

ian wrote on Jun 9^th, 2016 at 6:53pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 9^th, 2016 at 6:46pm:

ian wrote on Jun 9^th, 2016 at 6:41pm:

She didnt miss, its clear that she didnt fire at centre mass as trained to do. Lost her nerve and shot him in the legs and hit bystanders. This is why females should not be in these sorts of roles, they can not be relied on. This could have been really ugly if someone elses life depended on her doing her job properly. She needs to resign or get a loss of confidence letter. Disgrace.

First up ... nice assumption.

Secondly, get bent.

Stay out of things you dont understand. Go and do your ironing or something.

Get bent. Again.

You are making assumptions and going poo about women. Im perfectly well equipped to deal with you.

Never really known a woman, ha e you Ian ? Not like a friend.

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