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Reply #150 - Jun 11^th, 2016 at 7:40am

cods wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 11:10pm:

ian wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:03pm:

And btw, the issue here is not whether she was justified in using her firearm, but the fact she did not use it properly. If it turns out as I suspect she deliberately did not shoot at centre mass then that is deliberate negligence.

they last coppers who did that to a person wielding a knife on the beach the coppers were crucified.... Roll Eyes

Yes. crucified by idiots in the media who didnt know what they were talking about. Im seeing a lot of armchair experts in this thread doing the same.
However, they did exactly what they were supposed to do in the face of a life threatening attack.

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Reply #151 - Jun 11^th, 2016 at 7:43am

red baron wrote on Jun 9^th, 2016 at 6:15pm:

At the Farmer's Market at Hornsby today a psychopath went crazy with a knife at the Shopping Centre. *** Correction it was a Female Officer and a Male Officer who were first on scene and footage on Channel 9 News showed the incident when the shooting occurred.

The man ran at a Police Woman and the Officer fired at point blank range about four metres from her, she fired twice and totally missed the knife weilder but she did manage to shoot three shoppers in the background.

As a former Police Officer and in the Air Force a Weapons Training Instructor in the Airfield Defence mustering, I found it unbelievable that the Officer- number one did not take into account the extreme risk in firing in a crowded area and secondly that when she did fire that she missed from point blank range.

I am aware that Police usually only have to go to the firing range once a year to retain accreditation in using as firearm.

Thus demonstrates how pathetic the ongoing firearms training is in the Police Force.

It is my opinion that officers should attend continuation training at least once every three months. Once a year doesn't cut it.

Today's terrible outcome demonstrates how inadequate the process is.

Reading this post Im not convinced you were ever a copper on the street. MP perhaps?

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Reply #152 - Jun 11^th, 2016 at 8:03am

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 11^th, 2016 at 4:43am:

It's actually quite easy to miss a target from 5 metres using a hand gun. I know it is easier to hit a target when you are steady and ready. But these officers would have had little time to react to a moving target.

If she keeps her job - should she be allowed to carry a handgun?

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Reply #153 - Jun 11^th, 2016 at 8:34am

ian wrote on Jun 11^th, 2016 at 7:40am:

cods wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 11:10pm:

ian wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 10:03pm:

And btw, the issue here is not whether she was justified in using her firearm, but the fact she did not use it properly. If it turns out as I suspect she deliberately did not shoot at centre mass then that is deliberate negligence.

they last coppers who did that to a person wielding a knife on the beach the coppers were crucified.... Roll Eyes

Yes. crucified by idiots in the media who didnt know what they were talking about. Im seeing a lot of armchair experts in this thread doing the same.
However, they did exactly what they were supposed to do in the face of a life threatening attack.

she may have wanted to hit the knife out of his hand... as we have been told this person was WELL KNOWN to the police...

we are talking slit second judgement.......we of course are all talking in hindsight.. Roll Eyes

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Reply #155 - Jun 11^th, 2016 at 11:31am

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 11^th, 2016 at 11:19am:

cods wrote on Jun 11^th, 2016 at 8:34am:

... she may have wanted to hit the knife out of his hand...

If so, she should be fired for negligence and idiocy.

well I wont go into whos the idiot...

I did mention he was well known to the police.....he wasnt someone she may not have had any knowledge of.. thats what I am saying...I dont think she wanted to KILL him...

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Reply #157 - Jun 11^th, 2016 at 6:09pm

red baron wrote on Jun 11^th, 2016 at 6:06pm:

Know what Ian? I don't give a continental stuff what you believe about me.

I'm happy in my own skin and if bushi..ters can't handle it, that's the raw prawn for you sunshine. Grin

the thing is Rb this isnt the wild west yet... and please god it never gets like that...

so far the bad guys are only shooting each other....

and thats not such a bad thing...

however to think we need to train our cops to be ready to draw their guns more and more is a worry...

I dont see how they can be writing a speeding ticket one day... and being in a shoot out the next.

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Reply #158 - Jun 11^th, 2016 at 6:18pm

That's all part and parcel of being a Cops Cods. You can be writing speeding tickets, delivering death notices, attending domestic arguments, breaking up fights, investigating motor vehice accidents, executing warrants, attending break and enters and more .....AND drawing a gun and firing it in extreme situations. All part of being a Police Officer.

Every Officer has to know and be ready for the day whether it is a number of times or once in a career, to draw and fire their weapon. But when that moment comes you had better be ready for it or you get what we had at Hornsby.

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Reply #160 - Jun 11^th, 2016 at 6:24pm

red baron wrote on Jun 11^th, 2016 at 6:18pm:

That's all part and parcel of being a Cops Cods. You can be writing speeding tickets, delivering death notices, attending domestic arguments, breaking up fights, investigating motor vehice accidents, executing warrants, attending break and enters and more .....AND drawing a gun and firing it in extreme situations. All part of being a Police Officer.

Every Officer has to know and be ready for the day whether it is a number of times or once in a career, to draw and fire their weapon. But when that moment comes you had better be ready for it or you get what we had at Hornsby.

Isn't that what they call (in Qld) "general duties?"

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Reply #161 - Jun 12^th, 2016 at 12:48am

Aussie wrote on Jun 11^th, 2016 at 6:24pm:

red baron wrote on Jun 11^th, 2016 at 6:18pm:

That's all part and parcel of being a Cops Cods. You can be writing speeding tickets, delivering death notices, attending domestic arguments, breaking up fights, investigating motor vehice accidents, executing warrants, attending break and enters and more .....AND drawing a gun and firing it in extreme situations. All part of being a Police Officer.

Every Officer has to know and be ready for the day whether it is a number of times or once in a career, to draw and fire their weapon. But when that moment comes you had better be ready for it or you get what we had at Hornsby.

Isn't that what they call (in Qld) "general duties?"

Yes. Queensland also includes blinding old black Aboriginal women with Tasers.

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Reply #162 - Jun 12^th, 2016 at 8:53am

red baron wrote on Jun 11^th, 2016 at 6:18pm:

That's all part and parcel of being a Cops Cods. You can be writing speeding tickets, delivering death notices, attending domestic arguments, breaking up fights, investigating motor vehice accidents, executing warrants, attending break and enters and more .....AND drawing a gun and firing it in extreme situations. All part of being a Police Officer.

Every Officer has to know and be ready for the day whether it is a number of times or once in a career, to draw and fire their weapon. But when that moment comes you had better be ready for it or you get what we had at Hornsby.

what I am saying is.....should it be like that for a copper..

I have said for a long time. speeding cars should not be for todays copper....what with cameras and instant fines....a big fat car full of big fat coppers to catch a speeding motorist seems out of whack in 2016...

if we are heading for the WIld West.. let someone else deal with poor motorists...the cops have better things to do..obviously!

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Reply #163 - Jun 12^th, 2016 at 8:55am

Redmond Neck wrote on Jun 11^th, 2016 at 6:22pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 11^th, 2016 at 11:19am:

cods wrote on Jun 11^th, 2016 at 8:34am:

... she may have wanted to hit the knife out of his hand...

If so, she should be fired for negligence and idiocy.

cods has watched too many John Wayne or James Bond movies!

Sorry cods just joking!!! Grin

very funny red ho ho ho...

she may have realised this guy was trying to get her to kill him...... as most have pointed out she was close enough to do so....

why didnt she?...

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Reply #164 - Jun 12^th, 2016 at 9:36am

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 11^th, 2016 at 4:31am:

Belgarion wrote on Jun 9^th, 2016 at 10:35pm:

So many armchair experts..... and almost every one without a clue. Roll Eyes

As someone who has not had as much firearms experience as you, I can only say that I have handled a few hand guns, rifles, and an automatic weapon on rare occasions. However, I have seen how damaging they can be on targets, and can imagine how they would damage someone. And I am speaking as someone who has been shot before.

I would love to hear more details about what circumstances the police had to react, in order to not use tasers over pistols.

Tasers are not the optimal choice on a moving target.

In most situations you see them used the target is standing still ...in a stand off fashion.

they only work if you embed both contacts

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