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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39765 Gender:	Banning political donations. Jun 7^th, 2016 at 3:34pm In lots of Threads there are comments about banning them. If that happens, how will election campaigns by candidates be funded?
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Reply #1 - Jun 7^th, 2016 at 4:02pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 7^th, 2016 at 3:34pm:

In lots of Threads there are comments about banning them. If that happens, how will election campaigns by candidates be funded?

Probably by the taxpayer. The taxpayers already pay for political campaigns by forking out more than $2 for every vote a candidate receives. Taxpayers also pay directly for the campaigns of political parties until the political party officially "launches" the campaign. That's why we're in the second half of the election campaign with hardly any campaign launches so far.

Some reforms for taxpayer-funded election campaigns:
* Pay candidates about $5 for very vote they receive.
* Introduce a spending cap on campaigns.
* Parties pay for their campaigns from the date the writs are issued.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 152471 Gender:	Re: Banning political donations. Reply #2 - Jun 7^th, 2016 at 4:04pm Aussie wrote on Jun 7^th, 2016 at 3:34pm: In lots of Threads there are comments about banning them. If that happens, how will election campaigns by candidates be funded? That was my initial concern too. However, now I think "stuff 'em". Let them go door to door and beg for votes, on their own time.
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Re: Banning political donations.
Reply #3 - Jun 7^th, 2016 at 4:07pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 7^th, 2016 at 4:04pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 7^th, 2016 at 3:34pm:

In lots of Threads there are comments about banning them. If that happens, how will election campaigns by candidates be funded?

That was my initial concern too.

However, now I think "stuff 'em".

Let them go door to door and beg for votes, on their own time.

Oh duh!

There's much more money to be made in chook raffles and sausage sizzles lol Tongue

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Re: Banning political donations.
Reply #4 - Jun 7^th, 2016 at 4:10pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 7^th, 2016 at 4:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 7^th, 2016 at 4:04pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 7^th, 2016 at 3:34pm:

In lots of Threads there are comments about banning them. If that happens, how will election campaigns by candidates be funded?

That was my initial concern too.

However, now I think "stuff 'em".

Let them go door to door and beg for votes, on their own time.

Oh duh!

There's much more money to be made in chook raffles and sausage sizzles lol Tongue

The Libs could raffle off this old chook.

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Reply #5 - Jun 7^th, 2016 at 4:11pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 7^th, 2016 at 4:04pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 7^th, 2016 at 3:34pm:

In lots of Threads there are comments about banning them. If that happens, how will election campaigns by candidates be funded?

That was my initial concern too.

However, now I think "stuff 'em".

Let them go door to door and beg for votes, on their own time.

Yeas....but that gives the well heeled Turnbulls and Palmers just a teensy weeny edge, yeas?

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Reply #6 - Jun 7^th, 2016 at 4:14pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 7^th, 2016 at 4:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 7^th, 2016 at 4:04pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 7^th, 2016 at 3:34pm:

In lots of Threads there are comments about banning them. If that happens, how will election campaigns by candidates be funded?

That was my initial concern too.

However, now I think "stuff 'em".

Let them go door to door and beg for votes, on their own time.

Yeas....but that gives the well heeled Turnbulls and Palmers just a teensy weeny edge, yeas?

Nope.

The ALP have thousands of Union Officials and members to help in election campaigns.

They're out there every weekend, knocking on doors and doing letterbox drops (for free).

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Reply #7 - Jun 7^th, 2016 at 4:15pm

I think donations should be limited to say $1000 but only from people on the candidates electoral role and receipts posted out to the donor by AEC to limit dodgy donations or perhaps even some auditing by the AEC checking with the donor for similar reasons.

Corporate and union donations should be banned

Corporate and Union Political Advertising should be banned.

All government ads should stop once the campaign has started

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Reply #8 - Jun 7^th, 2016 at 4:19pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 7^th, 2016 at 4:14pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 7^th, 2016 at 4:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 7^th, 2016 at 4:04pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 7^th, 2016 at 3:34pm:

In lots of Threads there are comments about banning them. If that happens, how will election campaigns by candidates be funded?

That was my initial concern too.

However, now I think "stuff 'em".

Let them go door to door and beg for votes, on their own time.

Yeas....but that gives the well heeled Turnbulls and Palmers just a teensy weeny edge, yeas?

Nope.

The ALP have thousands of Union Officials and members to help in election campaigns.

They're out there every weekend, knocking on doors and doing letterbox drops (for free).

Okay.....so what is it you are proposing? Donations are okay, so long as it is only what you are handed on a door knock?

That does not prevent a 'Turnbull' using his personal fortune to out spend you.

I really don't reckon there is a viable option to the present system.

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Re: Banning political donations.
Reply #9 - Jun 7^th, 2016 at 4:20pm

Redmond Neck wrote on Jun 7^th, 2016 at 4:15pm:

I think donations should be limited to say $1000 but only from people on the candidates electoral role and receipts posted out to the donor by AEC to limit dodgy donations or perhaps even some auditing by the AEC checking with the donor for similar reasons.

Corporate and union donations should be banned

Corporate and Union Political Advertising should be banned.

All government ads should stop once the campaign has started

Too easily beaten. Union slips a member a couple of thousand and he does it. Same with a corporate.

I agree about the Government advertising.

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Reply #10 - Jun 7^th, 2016 at 4:20pm

A. You could designate a set amount per candidate per seat, to be funded by a mixture of govt. funds and public donations, to be used so as to promote the candidate or their parties policies ONLY. The spending is to be audited after the election with any money not spent for it's intended purpose, or any not spent, to be refunded to the taxpayer to be used at the next election. Anyone found to have fraudulently used the money is to be removed from parliament immediately and they forfeit any wages or other benefits they've received in the meantime and are prohibited from running for office again.

B. You can create a 'pool', whereby donations can be made from people or organisations who wish to be altruistic, the donations are to be made tax deductible, however the donor cannot dictate who the money goes to. The money is to be used to help fund Part A of my response.

before anyone starts with 'everyone will put their name up as a candidate' just to get the money .. no, they won't. A candidate must meet a per-determined criteria and the money can ONLY be used to promote their polices. Their is nothing to be gained by not being a genuine contender, the temptation to try and use it as a cash cow is limited

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Banning political donations. Reply #11 - Jun 7^th, 2016 at 4:22pm Aussie wrote on Jun 7^th, 2016 at 4:19pm: Okay.....so what is it you are proposing? Donations are okay, so long as it is only what you are handed on a door knock? he said they can go door knock for votes, not donations.
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Re: Banning political donations.
Reply #12 - Jun 7^th, 2016 at 4:22pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 7^th, 2016 at 4:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 7^th, 2016 at 4:14pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 7^th, 2016 at 4:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 7^th, 2016 at 4:04pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 7^th, 2016 at 3:34pm:

In lots of Threads there are comments about banning them. If that happens, how will election campaigns by candidates be funded?

That was my initial concern too.

However, now I think "stuff 'em".

Let them go door to door and beg for votes, on their own time.

Yeas....but that gives the well heeled Turnbulls and Palmers just a teensy weeny edge, yeas?

Nope.

The ALP have thousands of Union Officials and members to help in election campaigns.

They're out there every weekend, knocking on doors and doing letterbox drops (for free).

Okay.....so what is it you are proposing? Donations are okay, so long as it is only what you are handed on a door knock?

That does not prevent a 'Turnbull' using his personal fortune to out spend you.

I really don't reckon there is a viable option to the present system.

It doesn't mean we cannot fix it. If we fix the current system, have a $500 per election disclosure threshold with disclosure taking place as close to real time as is practicable. And that's $500 TOTAL. Not per party.

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Re: Banning political donations.
Reply #13 - Jun 7^th, 2016 at 4:23pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 7^th, 2016 at 4:20pm:

A. You could designate a set amount per candidate per seat, to be funded by a mixture of govt. funds and public donations, to be used so as to promote the candidate or their parties policies ONLY. The spending is to be audited after the election with any money not spent for it's intended purpose, or any not spent, to be refunded to the taxpayer to be used at the next election. Anyone found to have fraudulently used the money is to be removed from parliament immediately and they forfeit any wages or other benefits they've received in the meantime and e prohibited from running for office again.

B. You can create a 'pool', whereby donations can be made from people or organisations who wish to be altruistic, the donations are to be made tax deductible, however the donor cannot dictate who the money goes to. The money is to be used to help fund Part A of my response.

before anyone starts with 'everyone will put their name up as a candidate' just to get the money .. no, they won't. A candidate must meet a per-determined criteria and the money can ONLY be used to promote their polices. Their is nothing to be gained by not being a genuine contender the temptation to try and use it as a cash cow is limited

But.....if I am a filthy rich bastard, I will easily defeat anyone funded in either of those ways, yeas?

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Reply #14 - Jun 7^th, 2016 at 4:23pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 7^th, 2016 at 4:23pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 7^th, 2016 at 4:20pm:

A. You could designate a set amount per candidate per seat, to be funded by a mixture of govt. funds and public donations, to be used so as to promote the candidate or their parties policies ONLY. The spending is to be audited after the election with any money not spent for it's intended purpose, or any not spent, to be refunded to the taxpayer to be used at the next election. Anyone found to have fraudulently used the money is to be removed from parliament immediately and they forfeit any wages or other benefits they've received in the meantime and e prohibited from running for office again.

B. You can create a 'pool', whereby donations can be made from people or organisations who wish to be altruistic, the donations are to be made tax deductible, however the donor cannot dictate who the money goes to. The money is to be used to help fund Part A of my response.

before anyone starts with 'everyone will put their name up as a candidate' just to get the money .. no, they won't. A candidate must meet a per-determined criteria and the money can ONLY be used to promote their polices. Their is nothing to be gained by not being a genuine contender the temptation to try and use it as a cash cow is limited

But.....if I am a filthy rich bastard, I will easily defeat anyone funded in either of those ways, yeas?

That's where spending caps come in.

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