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Reply #75 - Jun 7th, 2016 at 12:50pm
 
Black Orchid wrote on Jun 7th, 2016 at 12:44pm:
There is also what appears to be an ancient sandy 'beach' there strewn with crushed and broken shells.


I don't doubt it. The salt-pan dry lakes in the interior are testimony to the fact that the continent has been shifting vertically and horizontally over the millennia.

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Reply #76 - Jun 7th, 2016 at 2:11pm
 
The same happened on the Gold Coast during Cyclone Dinah in Jan 1967 ...

then one a month there after til April

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28-30 January, 1967. CYCLONE DINAH. Severe damage at Heron Island then causing more destruction from Rockhampton to Grafton, NSW. Water knee deep in Hastings Street, Noosa from storm surge.
22 February, 1967. CYCLONE BARBARA. Wind damage from Coolangatta. Crossed at Lismore, NSW.
18 March, 1967. CYCLONE ELAINE. Moved past the south coast causing flooding at Logan and Brisbane with considerable beach erosion in other areas.
2-4 April, 1967. CYCLONE GLENDA. Off shore of Brisbane. 16 metre waves near Gold Coast. 6 dead.


Then 3 on the trot in 1974...

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24 January, 1974. CYCLONE WANDA. Over the coast near Maryborough, it then caused significant flooding in Brisbane where 6007 homes were flooded. 13 people drowned and others died from heart attacks. The cost was $200 million (at 1974 value).
6 February, 1974. CYCLONE PAM. Intense cyclone passed 500km to the east of Brisbane. Severe flooding and evacuation at Palm Beach.
13 March, 1974. CYCLONE ZOE. Crossed the coast at Coolangatta then went back to sea. Floods in Brisbane with evacuations at Murwillumbah and Lismore, NSW.


It also occurred in 2000 and 2009.

It's what you can expect .... you may get to pay more for you beach side block & views than you wanted to ...

the sea shows no mercy.
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Reply #77 - Jun 7th, 2016 at 2:29pm
 
Collaroy and Balmoral took a beating a few years ago, from what I can remember.  I would have moved out after that.

I've lived right on the ocean and don't find it calming at all.  I prefer serenity.

Severe Storms on the east coast of Australia  -  1770 - 2008

http://www.goldcoast.qld.gov.au/documents/bf/storms-east-coast-1770-2008.pdf
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Reply #78 - Jun 7th, 2016 at 10:20pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 7th, 2016 at 9:45am:
There's not the slightest chance that the owners of those properties didn't know this was on the cards and highly likely to happen within a very few years. They themselves could see with their own eyes the ongoing erosion just metres away in front of their properties.

No sympathy from me whatsoever. I don't sympathise with culpable stupidity. They bought those properties for prestige reasons without giving the practicalities any serious consideration. Egos trumped commonsense.

And they did absolutely nothing about it.

There are simple means of using reinforced concrete to give stability to the ground facing the sea. Not rocket science, and relatively inexpensive. 

If they couldn't afford the insurance on those places - then they should never have bought those properties, and if they couldn't find an insurance company willing to insure against sea-damage, then that in itself should have alerted them to the fact that these properties were on Death Row and shouldn't be bought.

Those seafronts have been crumbling into the sea since Captain Cook arrived, and it was always a case of Buyer Beware for anyone stupid enough to buy those houses.



Who makes the money from these ocean front lucrative properties?
Who allows it?
If insurances won't insure these places because of a high risk factor, and if insurance companies know something...
.... then all the following that make their money from it, must surely know...but are keeping a blindfold on... (for obvious reasons).
a. council
b. builders
c. stamps duty office
d. and of course, real estate agents
....yet, with all the so called 'soil testing' etc. and by the looks of those collapsed back yards, there isn't enough stabilization of rocks/concrete to stop the pounding of the ocean deteriorating the sand/soil.
Why is not some type of 'risk assessment' being conducted, every so often?

I totally blame council, for allowing sub divisions of land, and buildings to be erected, so close to the open ocean!
How can council sit back and not have any responsibility with what happened?
Perhaps councils should have insurance companies teach them something about what is obvious?

What would you do? Sue council? Surely, something has to come back to bite them on the bum?

I am so disgusted with councils for their disregard of what would have disastrous consequences for say, new people coming to live in an estate....and I give this as an example...


Rockhampton. It's just one area known to have major floods (just go ask the council for a copy of the 100 year flood map).....and the last one was no exception (was it 2011?)
This is how common sense hits me (back in the mid 2000's), (and yet the shire knew this area would flood)....on the way to Mt. Archer, I see a old Queenslander home, on flat plains, on huge wooden stumps, about 12 feet high or more!
Must have been an old banana or sugar plantation, as there was a lot of subdivision going on around nearby, with modern single story brick homes being built on concrete slabs.
I recall seeing that old Queenslander home and thought
"Gee, the flood waters must rise very high here"
and then, see those low houses being built, and I thought, no way I would buy a house there. I was so puzzled, why it was being done.

Well, you guess which were worst effected in the last huge flood they just had? Yep, those new homes, only the point of their roofs were above the flood water line. Roll Eyes

Why do they do that? (Shire office/councils) Is it for the money? Do builders entice them with that stupid decision also?




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Reply #79 - Jun 7th, 2016 at 10:25pm
 
Sophia wrote on Jun 7th, 2016 at 10:20pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 7th, 2016 at 9:45am:
There's not the slightest chance that the owners of those properties didn't know this was on the cards and highly likely to happen within a very few years. They themselves could see with their own eyes the ongoing erosion just metres away in front of their properties.

No sympathy from me whatsoever. I don't sympathise with culpable stupidity. They bought those properties for prestige reasons without giving the practicalities any serious consideration. Egos trumped commonsense.

And they did absolutely nothing about it.

There are simple means of using reinforced concrete to give stability to the ground facing the sea. Not rocket science, and relatively inexpensive. 

If they couldn't afford the insurance on those places - then they should never have bought those properties, and if they couldn't find an insurance company willing to insure against sea-damage, then that in itself should have alerted them to the fact that these properties were on Death Row and shouldn't be bought.

Those seafronts have been crumbling into the sea since Captain Cook arrived, and it was always a case of Buyer Beware for anyone stupid enough to buy those houses.



Who makes the money from these ocean front lucrative properties?
Who allows it?
If insurances won't insure these places because of a high risk factor, and if insurance companies know something...
.... then all the following that make their money from it, must surely know...but are keeping a blindfold on... (for obvious reasons).
a. council
b. builders
c. stamps duty office
d. and of course, real estate agents
....yet, with all the so called 'soil testing' etc. and by the looks of those collapsed back yards, there isn't enough stabilization of rocks/concrete to stop the pounding of the ocean deteriorating the sand/soil.
Why is not some type of 'risk assessment' being conducted, every so often?

I totally blame council, for allowing sub divisions of land, and buildings to be erected, so close to the open ocean!
How can council sit back and not have any responsibility with what happened?
Perhaps councils should have insurance companies teach them something about what is obvious?

What would you do? Sue council? Surely, something has to come back to bite them on the bum?

I am so disgusted with councils for their disregard of what would have disastrous consequences for say, new people coming to live in an estate....and I give this as an example...


Rockhampton. It's just one area known to have major floods (just go ask the council for a copy of the 100 year flood map).....and the last one was no exception (was it 2011?)
This is how common sense hits me (back in the mid 2000's), (and yet the shire knew this area would flood)....on the way to Mt. Archer, I see a old Queenslander home, on flat plains, on huge wooden stumps, about 12 feet high or more!
Must have been an old banana or sugar plantation, as there was a lot of subdivision going on around nearby, with modern single story brick homes being built on concrete slabs.
I recall seeing that old Queenslander home and thought
"Gee, the flood waters must rise very high here"
and then, see those low houses being built, and I thought, no way I would buy a house there. I was so puzzled, why it was being done.

Well, you guess which were worst effected in the last huge flood they just had? Yep, those new homes, only the point of their roofs were above the flood water line. Roll Eyes

Why do they do that? (Shire office/councils) Is it for the money? Do builders entice them with that stupid decision also?







there is only so much a council can do..

if people want to take the risk  its no different to those who want to live like Tarzan and Jane in the bush.. keeping every tree some even build the house round a tree.... then wonder why they lose it in a bush fire.. which is part of this continent...charm...

it wont happen to me..

if isurance companies refuse to take your money or charge a fortune  to take  the risk.. that would tell me an awful lot...

if anyone knows anything its the insurance industry,,,,,,councils are only interested in the rates they can charge for water frontage or a view...



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Reply #80 - Jun 7th, 2016 at 10:40pm
 
cods wrote on Jun 7th, 2016 at 10:25pm:
there is only so much a council can do..

if people want to take the risk  its no different to those who want to live like Tarzan and Jane in the bush.. keeping every tree some even build the house round a tree.... then wonder why they lose it in a bush fire.. which is part of this continent...charm...

it wont happen to me..

if isurance companies refuse to take your money or charge a fortune  to take  the risk.. that would tell me an awful lot...

if anyone knows anything its the insurance industry,,,,,,councils are only interested in the rates they can charge for water frontage or a view...





Councils have more say in matters than that, if you need a pool, you need a permit, and having a pool right there, near the edge where the ocean is......digging down, making the soil more unstable to give way  Huh Shocked
Maybe our council is just stricter, because, they take into account 'land slip' and no matter how hard you fight, or spend money to build a house, they will not let you (taken from some locals experience)...something not done for those NSW properties that gave way recently.
Land slip......something very noteworthy, especially near the open ocean!

As far as insurance companies go, with a rental we bought in a certain area in Queensland, that has periodic flooding, but only parts of the town goes under.....we deliberately bought a house out of this 'flood zone'....and paid a bit more for that privilege.

With a certain insurance company we have been with for some years, they send this letter, they will not be renewing the insurance for our property due to the floods in the area.

Well, I had to debate this, I wrote, that we had studied the 100 year map for flood zones, and bought 'out of the flood zone', and never had any flood waters near the house.

I also wrote, that they should not tar every property with the same brush, as some are known to be in the flood area, and some are not.

Our house, is standing with no propblems, no insurance claims, etc.

They reviewed this, and accepted to keep insuring our property.

Still, it is down to the home buyer to "buyer beware".
Just to save a lot of heartache in the future.

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Reply #81 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 12:50am
 
I cannot help but shake my head at the people who lost their homes in that storm -- those parked on the shoreline. I would not laugh at stories about loss of life or injuries sustained. However, if you are going to build a home on the shore, at least get some protection from high tides.
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Reply #82 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 1:07am
 
all those houses are unsaleable now are they ?
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Reply #83 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 1:43am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 1:07am:
all those houses are unsaleable now are they ?


Well.... they are, for now. Unless you know someone rich who has a real problem with impulse buying.
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Reply #84 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 7:06am
 
News just in :

Another king tide hit the Nthern beaches overnight.

Homes/land continue to crumble away into the ocean.

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Reply #85 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 7:26am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 1:07am:
all those houses are unsaleable now are they ?



I bet the insurance companies will run away like rabbits.
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Reply #86 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 7:36am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 7:06am:
News just in :

Another king tide hit the Nthern beaches overnight.

Homes/land continue to crumble away into the ocean.




eeeeeeewwwwwwwwwww
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Reply #87 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 7:37am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 7:26am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 1:07am:
all those houses are unsaleable now are they ?



I bet the insurance companies will run away like rabbits.


What????

Insurance companies have exclusion clauses in their home policies for such events.

The Local Council IS IN THE FIRING LINE....BIG TIME!

8 houses on Sydney's Nthern Beaches are now badly damaged and most of the land they sit on has disappeared/still disappearing as I type.

The Greens/local residents in the area have been lobbying for ages with Council for the construction of a proper retaining wall after a few "near misses" in the recent past.

Bobby, just a quick question...do you watch the news at all?



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Reply #88 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 7:37am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 7:26am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 1:07am:
all those houses are unsaleable now are they ?



I bet the insurance companies will run away like rabbits.


I would imagine so.  I would .

Beachside houses - good to rent for a holiday ..........
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Reply #89 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 8:24am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 7:26am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 1:07am:
all those houses are unsaleable now are they ?



I bet the insurance companies will run away like rabbits.



I am thinking how much will my home insurance go up this year??????>. Sad Sad Sad its us that always pay.
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