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Re: Socialism for the uninformed.
Reply #60 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:26pm

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:17pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:16pm:

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:14pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:08pm:

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:00pm:

Socialists don't want a balance, they want an unfair weighting towards socialism that will fail. Socialists are the epitome of give an inch and they will take a mile. Relentless, never ending destruction of capital that has given them the opportunity to cry and whine about not being given everything paid for by someone else who works harder than they do.

You could replace socialist with capitalist in that & be every bit as correct.

So we've finally got somewhere & worked out you're not against the theory of socialism but you are against those that would take it to extremes.
Do you feel the same way about extreme capitalists?

The pendulum needs to be swung back to the right before you can invoke extreme capitalism. The socialist policies are sending the country broke.

Ummmm OK

What policies are you referring to

Medicare, education, social security.
All of it.

Really?
So you're an anarchist.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Socialism for the uninformed. Reply #61 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:27pm Socialism is good for those in positions of power, the more power the better off you are. Just look at Russia.
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Dsmithy70 Gold Member Offline ire futuis vobismetipsis Posts: 13147 Newy Gender:	Re: Socialism for the uninformed. Reply #62 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:28pm Grendel wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:27pm: Socialism is good for those in positions of power, the more power the better off you are. Just look at Russia. And how does that differ from USA, UK or here?
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Re: Socialism for the uninformed.
Reply #63 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:33pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:28pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:27pm:

Socialism is good for those in positions of power, the more power the better off you are.

Just look at Russia.

And how does that differ from USA, UK or here?

It does... was betting with myself who'd be the first doofus to say that... I lost.

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Re: Socialism for the uninformed.
Reply #64 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:34pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:26pm:

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:17pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:16pm:

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:14pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:08pm:

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:00pm:

Socialists don't want a balance, they want an unfair weighting towards socialism that will fail. Socialists are the epitome of give an inch and they will take a mile. Relentless, never ending destruction of capital that has given them the opportunity to cry and whine about not being given everything paid for by someone else who works harder than they do.

You could replace socialist with capitalist in that & be every bit as correct.

So we've finally got somewhere & worked out you're not against the theory of socialism but you are against those that would take it to extremes.
Do you feel the same way about extreme capitalists?

The pendulum needs to be swung back to the right before you can invoke extreme capitalism. The socialist policies are sending the country broke.

Ummmm OK

What policies are you referring to

Medicare, education, social security.
All of it.

Really?
So you're an anarchist.

Really?
So you don't understand the difference between socialism, capitalism and anarchy?

You think that winding back unaffordable socialist policy disasters is anarchy?

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Re: Socialism for the uninformed.
Reply #65 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:35pm

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:17pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:16pm:

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:14pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:08pm:

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:00pm:

Socialists don't want a balance, they want an unfair weighting towards socialism that will fail. Socialists are the epitome of give an inch and they will take a mile. Relentless, never ending destruction of capital that has given them the opportunity to cry and whine about not being given everything paid for by someone else who works harder than they do.

You could replace socialist with capitalist in that & be every bit as correct.

So we've finally got somewhere & worked out you're not against the theory of socialism but you are against those that would take it to extremes.
Do you feel the same way about extreme capitalists?

The pendulum needs to be swung back to the right before you can invoke extreme capitalism. The socialist policies are sending the country broke.

Ummmm OK

What policies are you referring to?

Medicare, education, social security.
All of it.

I had an American friend and a hard core republican move here 3 years back. He was against the same safety nets you are, as well as a gun slinger who was anti Australia's firearms laws

Having lived in America for 52 years of his life, he is now pro safety net and anti guns (largely).

I realise this is anecdotal, but like DSmithy, I am in favour of a capitalist framework with some socialist policies thrown into the mix - particularly Medicare, education and social security.

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Re: Socialism for the uninformed.
Reply #66 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:38pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:22pm:

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:19pm:

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:08pm:

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:01pm:

It's not abuse if she loved it.

loved it? Past tense? she told me that she's still waiting for you to start

When I left there was still a line of 30 guys, 4 dogs, camel and a goat.

when did the topic change to your mother?

Your mother had more cumback than you when I left.

yes she told ... she also told me you swallowed it all. Even that from the camel

Agnes was employed as the clean up girl under the Greens EBA. Room, board and all she can eat.

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Re: Socialism for the uninformed.
Reply #67 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:41pm

You're calling for the scrapping of our society as it has been for the last 100+ years.

Yes I'd call that anarchy.

What exactly are you advocating then, a return to slavery or just a class based system where birth determines your station rather than ability?

From this brief discussion I think you're just an angry man unable to accept the outcome of the decisions HE'S made throughout life & is looking for a scapegoat.

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Re: Socialism for the uninformed.
Reply #68 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:42pm

Answered in this post.
Mistress Nicole wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:35pm:

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:17pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:16pm:

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:14pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:08pm:

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:00pm:

Socialists don't want a balance, they want an unfair weighting towards socialism that will fail. Socialists are the epitome of give an inch and they will take a mile. Relentless, never ending destruction of capital that has given them the opportunity to cry and whine about not being given everything paid for by someone else who works harder than they do.

You could replace socialist with capitalist in that & be every bit as correct.

So we've finally got somewhere & worked out you're not against the theory of socialism but you are against those that would take it to extremes.
Do you feel the same way about extreme capitalists?

The pendulum needs to be swung back to the right before you can invoke extreme capitalism. The socialist policies are sending the country broke.

Ummmm OK

What policies are you referring to?

Medicare, education, social security.
All of it.

I had an American friend and a hard core republican move here 3 years back. He was against the same safety nets you are, as well as a gun slinger who was anti Australia's firearms laws

Having lived in America for 52 years of his life, he is now pro safety net and anti guns (largely).

I realise this is anecdotal, but like DSmithy, I am in favour of a capitalist framework with some socialist policies thrown into the mix - particularly Medicare, education and social security.

I'm not anti those policies. I am anti the cost and the waste. Medicare costs $20bn+ but the Medicare levy on takes in ~ $10bn.
Education outcomes have been falling despite year on year growth of funding.
Social security is one of the biggest costs to the budget.

When government gets involved in anything to do with redistribution of funds, costs skyrocket and the taxpayer is ripped off. They need to be wound back or scrapped completely and start again.

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Re: Socialism for the uninformed.
Reply #69 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:45pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:41pm:

You're calling for the scrapping of our society as it has been for the last 100+ years.

Yes I'd call that anarchy.

What exactly are you advocating then, a return to slavery or just a class based system where birth determines your station rather than ability?

From this brief discussion I think you're just an angry man unable to accept the outcome of the decisions HE'S made throughout life & is looking for a scapegoat.

Since when did the socialist policies mentioned exist 100+ years ago?

From this brief discussion I think you're just an idiot who loves the socialist doctrine and couldn't care what it costs because you don't contribute to it.

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Re: Socialism for the uninformed.
Reply #70 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:45pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:41pm:

You're calling for the scrapping of our society as it has been for the last 100+ years.

Yes I'd call that anarchy.

What exactly are you advocating then, a return to slavery or just a class based system where birth determines your station rather than ability?

From this brief discussion I think you're just an angry man unable to accept the outcome of the decisions HE'S made throughout life & is looking for a scapegoat.

Good post DSmithy. If Not_IQ can't answer that, one would have to assume he's baiting...

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Agnes Gold Member Offline fish dinner Posts: 6081 Bedford Park rnd	Re: Socialism for the uninformed. Reply #71 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:57pm It is disgusting John to hear your mother spoken about this way - don't get caught up in it.
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Re: Socialism for the uninformed.
Reply #72 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:59pm

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:45pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:41pm:

You're calling for the scrapping of our society as it has been for the last 100+ years.

Yes I'd call that anarchy.

What exactly are you advocating then, a return to slavery or just a class based system where birth determines your station rather than ability?

From this brief discussion I think you're just an angry man unable to accept the outcome of the decisions HE'S made throughout life & is looking for a scapegoat.

Since when did the socialist policies mentioned exist 100+ years ago?

From this brief discussion I think you're just an idiot who loves the socialist doctrine and couldn't care what it costs because you don't contribute to it.

Public Education started in this country in 1848

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Since 1848, when Kempsey National School became the first school to join the government education system in New South Wales, another 7,396 schools have opened during the system's 150 years. Some have flourished, others have languished, while most, having served their purpose, have closed. As only 2,243 government schools (including 23 Environmental Education Centres) were open in 2007, it can be appreciated that many more schools have disappeared than are currently open. Yet these 5,151 closed schools form as much a part of the history of education in this State as do the open schools. What has been done, therefore, is to provide a list of every government school in the State since 1848 together with its operational details and approximate location.

http://www.governmentschools.det.nsw.edu.au/story/early.shtm

Public Medicine 1788

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The arrival of Captain Arthur Phillip and the First Fleet in Sydney Cove, Port Jackson in 1788, and the subsequent establishment of the colony of New South Wales, began the history of the NSW public hospital system. Several medical staff arrived with the First Fleet, among them Dr John White, Ship's Surgeon and author of the above letter. The Colonial Medical Service was soon established to provide basic medical care for the convicts and others. A temporary hospital was constructed at Sydney Cove, with many convicts being housed in tents in the hospital grounds. The arrival of the Second Fleet showed the inadequacy of this arrangement, as the extremely harsh conditions exacted a high death toll. Construction soon began on more permanent convict hospitals, at Windsor, Bathurst, Liverpool and Goulburn in the early 1800's. Sydney Hospital was finally opened in 1816.

Social Security - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_security_in_Australia

I'll need to know exactly which part of social security your against to give a proper answer, go to the page I'm sure you'll be surprised it's just not the dole.

Ahh I wonder how long it would take, apparently I don't contribute.

How many people do you employ?

Or are you just a wage slave who stupidly thinks he'd better off in ohh so many ways if he didn't pay so much tax.

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REBELLION is not what most people think it is.
REBELLION is when you turn off the TV & start educating & thinking for yourself.
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Aussie, Senior Member Offline Folks are dumb where I come from. Posts: 296 Gender:	Re: Socialism for the uninformed. Reply #73 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 5:02pm 5 employees. How much do you contribute? The costs for these socialist policies are spiralling out of control and you cannot just soak the rich to keep funding them.
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