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Re: Socialism for the uninformed.
Reply #90 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 5:31pm

Agnes wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 5:27pm:

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 5:27pm:

Agnes wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 5:24pm:

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:08pm:

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:01pm:

It's not abuse if she loved it.

loved it? Past tense? she told me that she's still waiting for you to start

When I left there was still a line of 30 guys, 4 dogs, camel and a goat.

Andrie- you missed a few on page 4...ie ^ and isnt abuse of a members family a banning offense?

It's not abuse if it doesn't bother John. Now if I'd substituted your mum, that might be different but we all know your mum left you when you were little.

I'm sure things have gotten better for you since then.
Tell me Agnes, growing up all alone with your father, was it hard?

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Re: Socialism for the uninformed.
Reply #92 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 5:34pm

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 5:27pm:

Agnes wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 5:24pm:

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:08pm:

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:01pm:

It's not abuse if she loved it.

loved it? Past tense? she told me that she's still waiting for you to start

When I left there was still a line of 30 guys, 4 dogs, camel and a goat.

Andrie- you missed a few on page 4...ie ^ and isnt abuse of a members family a banning offense?

It's not abuse if it doesn't bother John..

Exactly. It would be most abusive if it was aimed at Matty. He's quite sensitive.

Different strokes for different folks, innit.

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Re: Socialism for the uninformed.
Reply #93 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 5:41pm

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:42pm:

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Mistress Nicole wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:35pm:

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:17pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:16pm:

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:14pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:08pm:

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:00pm:

Socialists don't want a balance, they want an unfair weighting towards socialism that will fail. Socialists are the epitome of give an inch and they will take a mile. Relentless, never ending destruction of capital that has given them the opportunity to cry and whine about not being given everything paid for by someone else who works harder than they do.

You could replace socialist with capitalist in that & be every bit as correct.

So we've finally got somewhere & worked out you're not against the theory of socialism but you are against those that would take it to extremes.
Do you feel the same way about extreme capitalists?

The pendulum needs to be swung back to the right before you can invoke extreme capitalism. The socialist policies are sending the country broke.

Ummmm OK

What policies are you referring to?

Medicare, education, social security.
All of it.

I had an American friend and a hard core republican move here 3 years back. He was against the same safety nets you are, as well as a gun slinger who was anti Australia's firearms laws

Having lived in America for 52 years of his life, he is now pro safety net and anti guns (largely).

I realise this is anecdotal, but like DSmithy, I am in favour of a capitalist framework with some socialist policies thrown into the mix - particularly Medicare, education and social security.

I'm not anti those policies. I am anti the cost and the waste. Medicare costs $20bn+ but the Medicare levy on takes in ~ $10bn.
Education outcomes have been falling despite year on year growth of funding.
Social security is one of the biggest costs to the budget.

When government gets involved in anything to do with redistribution of funds, costs skyrocket and the taxpayer is ripped off. They need to be wound back or scrapped completely and start again.

So what do you propose change about welfare payments?

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Re: Socialism for the uninformed.
Reply #94 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 5:46pm

mothra wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 5:41pm:

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:42pm:

Answered in this post.
Mistress Nicole wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:35pm:

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:17pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:16pm:

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:14pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:08pm:

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:00pm:

Socialists don't want a balance, they want an unfair weighting towards socialism that will fail. Socialists are the epitome of give an inch and they will take a mile. Relentless, never ending destruction of capital that has given them the opportunity to cry and whine about not being given everything paid for by someone else who works harder than they do.

You could replace socialist with capitalist in that & be every bit as correct.

So we've finally got somewhere & worked out you're not against the theory of socialism but you are against those that would take it to extremes.
Do you feel the same way about extreme capitalists?

The pendulum needs to be swung back to the right before you can invoke extreme capitalism. The socialist policies are sending the country broke.

Ummmm OK

What policies are you referring to?

Medicare, education, social security.
All of it.

I had an American friend and a hard core republican move here 3 years back. He was against the same safety nets you are, as well as a gun slinger who was anti Australia's firearms laws

Having lived in America for 52 years of his life, he is now pro safety net and anti guns (largely).

I realise this is anecdotal, but like DSmithy, I am in favour of a capitalist framework with some socialist policies thrown into the mix - particularly Medicare, education and social security.

I'm not anti those policies. I am anti the cost and the waste. Medicare costs $20bn+ but the Medicare levy on takes in ~ $10bn.
Education outcomes have been falling despite year on year growth of funding.
Social security is one of the biggest costs to the budget.

When government gets involved in anything to do with redistribution of funds, costs skyrocket and the taxpayer is ripped off. They need to be wound back or scrapped completely and start again.

So what do you propose change about welfare payments?

Besides never have them in the first place?
Food cards, utlities cards that are negotiated with supermarket chains to reduce the cost on the taxpayer. Make unemployment less attractive than it is.

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Dsmithy70 Gold Member Offline ire futuis vobismetipsis Posts: 13147 Newy Gender:	Re: Socialism for the uninformed. Reply #95 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 5:51pm That's rather a personal question for a publi forum. Is there a point to it?
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36384 Gender:	Re: Socialism for the uninformed. Reply #96 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 5:52pm So you propose a rise in the crime rate. And unemployment benefits are a very long way from attractive.
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39712 Gender:	Re: Socialism for the uninformed. Reply #97 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 5:53pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 5:51pm: That's rather a personal question for a publi forum. Is there a point to it? No, there wasn't because no matter what you answered he would have trumped it with the absolute gospel truth.
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Aussie, Senior Member Offline Folks are dumb where I come from. Posts: 296 Gender:	Re: Socialism for the uninformed. Reply #98 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 5:53pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 5:51pm: That's rather a personal question for a publi forum. Is there a point to it? No it isn't and yes there is.
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Re: Socialism for the uninformed.
Reply #99 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 5:54pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 5:53pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 5:51pm:

That's rather a personal question for a publi forum.
Is there a point to it?

No, there wasn't because no matter what you answered he would have trumped it with the absolute gospel truth.

The peanut gallery has a seat with your name on it waiting for you.

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Aussie, Senior Member Offline Folks are dumb where I come from. Posts: 296 Gender:	Re: Socialism for the uninformed. Reply #100 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 5:55pm mothra wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 5:52pm: So you propose a rise in the crime rate. And unemployment benefits are a very long way from attractive. Why would there be a rise in the crime rate if staples can be bought and the cost is less to taxpayers?
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Re: Socialism for the uninformed.
Reply #101 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 5:55pm

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 5:54pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 5:53pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 5:51pm:

That's rather a personal question for a publi forum.
Is there a point to it?

No, there wasn't because no matter what you answered he would have trumped it with the absolute gospel truth.

The peanut gallery has a seat with your name on it waiting for you.

Thanks, I found it.

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Re: Socialism for the uninformed.
Reply #102 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 5:56pm

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:42pm:

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Mistress Nicole wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:35pm:

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:17pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:16pm:

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:14pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:08pm:

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 4:00pm:

Socialists don't want a balance, they want an unfair weighting towards socialism that will fail. Socialists are the epitome of give an inch and they will take a mile. Relentless, never ending destruction of capital that has given them the opportunity to cry and whine about not being given everything paid for by someone else who works harder than they do.

You could replace socialist with capitalist in that & be every bit as correct.

So we've finally got somewhere & worked out you're not against the theory of socialism but you are against those that would take it to extremes.
Do you feel the same way about extreme capitalists?

The pendulum needs to be swung back to the right before you can invoke extreme capitalism. The socialist policies are sending the country broke.

Ummmm OK

What policies are you referring to?

Medicare, education, social security.
All of it.

I had an American friend and a hard core republican move here 3 years back. He was against the same safety nets you are, as well as a gun slinger who was anti Australia's firearms laws

Having lived in America for 52 years of his life, he is now pro safety net and anti guns (largely).

I realise this is anecdotal, but like DSmithy, I am in favour of a capitalist framework with some socialist policies thrown into the mix - particularly Medicare, education and social security.

I'm not anti those policies. I am anti the cost and the waste. Medicare costs $20bn+ but the Medicare levy on takes in ~ $10bn.
Education outcomes have been falling despite year on year growth of funding.
Social security is one of the biggest costs to the budget.

When government gets involved in anything to do with redistribution of funds, costs skyrocket and the taxpayer is ripped off. They need to be wound back or scrapped completely and start again.

Hey Not_IQ,

I don't disagree with anything you have written. I have read sprint write that govt should be run like a business. to an extent, I agree. But running govt like a business is going to see people fall through the cracks.

I suspect, to run agencies such as Medicare, schooling and social security, we have to put up with a bit of fat.

I have worked in private enterprise for the last 22 years. There's nothing like a chairman breathing down your neck re profits or costs in making those profits.

In August, I start working for the public sector. I rather suspect it's going to frustrate the hell out of me.

Cheers,
Nicole

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Re: Socialism for the uninformed.
Reply #103 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 5:57pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 5:55pm:

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 5:54pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 5:53pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 5:51pm:

That's rather a personal question for a publi forum.
Is there a point to it?

No, there wasn't because no matter what you answered he would have trumped it with the absolute gospel truth.

The peanut gallery has a seat with your name on it waiting for you.

Thanks, I found it.

Good. Now you can shut yer yap while the adults are having a discussion.

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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Socialism for the uninformed. Reply #104 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 5:57pm Shorty's Socialism is a recipe for disaster!!!
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