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Shorten doesn't think he can win
Jun 6th, 2016 at 2:06pm
 
Mark Kenny SMH:

"...insiders in both camps report Labor is doing better in its heartland - i.e. safe seats it already holds - than it is in the marginals where swinging voters will decide the election.

The result could be a repeat of 1998 - a sizeable swing to Labor for only a modest return of new seats. Yet for Shorten personally, that would bring an upwelling of affection from the Labor faithful, casting him as a defeated leader who had fought the good fight for "Labor" values - very useful if your challenger is the darling of the rank-and-file, the Left's Anthony Albanese.

All of this suggests Shorten may well be already thinking about his own survival as leader beyond the horizon. Don't expect him to use the term or even to accept the logic, but the inescapable conclusion is that he has a two-election strategy having concluded months ago that gaining the 19 Coalition seats needed to win on July 2 is unachievable."



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Re: Shorten doesn't think he can win
Reply #1 - Jun 6th, 2016 at 2:12pm
 
Will Albanese be there post election?

The Greens are targeting his seat.....
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Reply #2 - Jun 6th, 2016 at 2:13pm
 
Opinions are like, well, you know, we all have them..

Just accept it Bogarde73- Short arse will be the next PM and the sky will not fall in.  Smiley
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Reply #3 - Jun 6th, 2016 at 2:15pm
 
Swagman wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 2:12pm:
Will Albanese be there post election?

The Greens are targeting his seat.....

  Albo would wipe the floor with the turd- and the Greens take his seat ? give me a break Grin
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Reply #4 - Jun 6th, 2016 at 2:17pm
 
Agnes wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 2:15pm:
Swagman wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 2:12pm:
Will Albanese be there post election?

The Greens are targeting his seat.....

  Albo would wipe the floor with the turd- and the Greens take his seat ? give me a break Grin


These are serious times...
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Reply #5 - Jun 6th, 2016 at 2:18pm
 
Why are Labor wasting their time with someone who doesn't even believe he can win.

You have to have a super confident person - a person who KNOWS he's going to win and doesn't even think about the alternative.

Once you start thinking you might not win you've already lost.
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Reply #6 - Jun 6th, 2016 at 2:20pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 2:18pm:
Why are Labor wasting their time with someone who doesn't even believe he can win.

You have to have a super confident person - a person who KNOWS he's going to win and doesn't even think about the alternative.

Once you start thinking you might not win you've already lost.


Personally, I hope that on this one thing Shorten is right. He would be an unmitigated disaster of Trump proportions if he ever becomes PM. I'm still in shock that he got the job after his "I agree with Julia debacle of an interview". Shows the lack of talent within ALP ranks if he's the best they can pick.
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Reply #7 - Jun 6th, 2016 at 2:21pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 2:18pm:
Why are Labor wasting their time with someone who doesn't even believe he can win.

You have to have a super confident person - a person who KNOWS he's going to win and doesn't even think about the alternative.

Once you start thinking you might not win you've already lost
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I call that arrogance and a sign you have already rigged the result -  Wink  You know , like having an old buzzard like Rupert on your side.?
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Reply #8 - Jun 6th, 2016 at 2:21pm
 
Agnes wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 2:15pm:
Swagman wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 2:12pm:
Will Albanese be there post election?

The Greens are targeting his seat.....

  Albo would wipe the floor with the turd- and the Greens take his seat ? give me a break Grin

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Reply #9 - Jun 6th, 2016 at 2:27pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 2:20pm:
bogarde73 wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 2:18pm:
Why are Labor wasting their time with someone who doesn't even believe he can win.

You have to have a super confident person - a person who KNOWS he's going to win and doesn't even think about the alternative.

Once you start thinking you might not win you've already lost.


Personally, I hope that on this one thing Shorten is right. He would be an unmitigated disaster of Trump proportions if he ever becomes PM. I'm still in shock that he got the job after his "I agree with Julia debacle of an interview". Shows the lack of talent within ALP ranks if he's the best they can pick.


The reality with the ALP though is that they don't look for their "best".
They look for the person who will be the most malleable for the union faction in the ascendancy at the time.
Shorten was a good pick for them because he's malleable for any union faction any time.
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Reply #10 - Jun 6th, 2016 at 2:47pm
 
Do you have a link to the Mark Kenny article Bogie?

Found it
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Reply #11 - Jun 6th, 2016 at 2:58pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 2:06pm:
Mark Kenny SMH:

"...insiders in both camps report Labor is doing better in its heartland - i.e. safe seats it already holds - than it is in the marginals where swinging voters will decide the election.

The result could be a repeat of 1998 - a sizeable swing to Labor for only a modest return of new seats. Yet for Shorten personally, that would bring an upwelling of affection from the Labor faithful, casting him as a defeated leader who had fought the good fight for "Labor" values - very useful if your challenger is the darling of the rank-and-file, the Left's Anthony Albanese.

All of this suggests Shorten may well be already thinking about his own survival as leader beyond the horizon. Don't expect him to use the term or even to accept the logic, but the inescapable conclusion is that he has a two-election strategy having concluded months ago that gaining the 19 Coalition seats needed to win on July 2 is unachievable."

Rubbish - the Coalition can only afford to lose 14 seats, not 19. After that we're in hung government territory where anything is possible including another election. The Coalition have lost two notional seats due to redistributions so we're down to 12. They will probably lose 3-4 seats in Queensland and gain Fairfax, lose another 2-4 in NSW, lose one or two in Victoria and the same for Tasmania, lose Solomon in the NT and at least four in WA and possibly up to eight. SA is too hard to predict but it is not likely that the Coalition will hold all their seats there.

Even an optimistic assessment for the Coalition suggests they will probably be down to 75 seats and looking to the crossbenches to form minority government. Most likely they will gain support from Katter. It is possible that McGowan or even Windsor will lend support as well. I expect the latter two to support the party or coalition who holds the most seats just for the sake of stability.

A more pessimistic assessment for the Coalition won't see them getting to 70 seats. Once either side fails to reach 70 seats, forming government is impossible if the crossbench has five or more MPs.

And Turnbull knows this. That is why he's trying the desperate tactic of pleading for votes by dishonestly asserting that only the Coalition can deliver stable government. Once a party stops telling people about policy, there is the real risk that people stop listening.
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Reply #12 - Jun 6th, 2016 at 3:02pm
 
Redmond Neck wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 2:47pm:
Do you have a link to the Mark Kenny article Bogie?

Found it


Let me know where it quotes that Bill doesn't think he can win.

I'd hate to think that Boges would use a misleading title.....

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Reply #13 - Jun 6th, 2016 at 3:08pm
 
Seems Kenny is like Mal....... A flip flopper!

Heading into this election season, the contest was glibly described as Malcolm Turnbull's to lose. How prophetic, because that seems to be precisely what he has been busy doing. Losing it.

The observation had been intended as a statement of his sheer dominance - as a creative way of describing how supremely unlikely a come-from-behind Labor win was, given (i) the history of federal elections, (ii) the recent ugly period of Rudd-Gillard, (iii) the stark electoral arithmetic facing it now; and, (iv) the solid popularity edge Turnbull enjoyed over the unfashionable Bill Shorten.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/election-2016-malcolm-turnbull-is-losing-it-one-retreat-at-a-time-20160603-gpba89.html#ixzz4Alyqb6cN
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Reply #14 - Jun 6th, 2016 at 3:13pm
 
i see nothing in the OP to suggest they have any insight to what Shorten thinks.

Nevertheless, Labor have always been the underdog. Shorten knew it was a tough battle from the beginning. Winning is never a certainty
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