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Australians want a Federal corruption watchdog
Jun 6^th, 2016 at 9:33am

Vote Compass: Australians want a federal corruption watchdog, even though major parties don't

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More than 80 per cent of Australians would welcome a federal corruption watchdog similar to the New South Wales Independent Commission Against Corruption (ICAC), Vote Compass data shows.

[Poll question: The government should establish a federal corruption watchdog. Agree 82%, disagree 5%.]

The Coalition and Labor have both dismissed the idea, saying there are already safeguards in place.

Anthony Whealy QC, the chair of Transparency International in Australia, said the Australian people had wanted action on a corruption watchdog "for a long time".

"So far neither the Government or the Opposition have placed it on their agenda," he said.

"The public become very sceptical about why it is that politicians don't want to have a federal anti-corruption agency ... They say 'well, why are they pushing this aside, surely it's a good reason, what are they hiding'."

Mr Whealy, a retired Supreme Court judge and a former NSW ICAC commissioner, said most of the states and territories had a broad-based anti-corruption agency and questioned why the federal sphere should be different.

The Greens have called for a federal ICAC.

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Australians want a Federal corruption watchdog Reply #1 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 9:35am Quote: Australians "ABC Groupies" want a Federal corruption watchdog Fixed it for ya....
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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: Australians want a Federal corruption watchdog Reply #2 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 9:37am Swagman wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 9:35am: Quote: Australians "ABC Groupies" want a Federal corruption watchdog Fixed it for ya.... Don't be childish. Every survey I have seen has strong support for an anti-corruption commission like a Federal ICAC and your childish mischief doesn't change this.
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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Australians want a Federal corruption watchdog Reply #3 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 9:53am Swagman wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 9:35am: Quote: Australians "ABC Groupies" want a Federal corruption watchdog Fixed it for ya.... That comment just reiterates you know Libtards have something to hide .
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Re: Australians want a Federal corruption watchdog
Reply #4 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 9:59am

Swagman wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

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Australians "ABC Groupies" want a Federal corruption watchdog

Fixed it for ya....

most Australians... I love it.. well its beats ALL Australians..

I have never ever been asked and dont know anyone who has...

I think its a load of rubbish...

surely we have enough faith in our system that we vote...

if we thought the majority of them were crooks.. why vote for them???>.

its pretty sad when you think about it... our pollies NEED WATCHING????.... really?????..

its staggering...would I vote for something or someone shonky no I bloody wouldnt...

and if people out there do then more fool them dont whinge about it when its too late..

if you want pure honesty get up off your bum and do it yourself..

its their bloody rules that need changing....

all this freebees and extra touches like living away money... pings me off but they are not breaking any of their laws are they?????

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Australians want a Federal corruption watchdog Reply #5 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:00am Its time wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 9:53am: Swagman wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 9:35am: [quote]Australians "ABC Groupies" want a Federal corruption watchdog Fixed it for ya.... That comment just reiterates you know Libtards have something to hide .[/quote] what a dumb comment..
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Re: Australians want a Federal corruption watchdog
Reply #6 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:08am

cods wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 9:59am:

I have never ever been asked and dont know anyone who has...

That doesnt mean its incorrect there have been numerous surveys done on this

cods wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 9:59am:

surely we have enough faith in our system that we vote...

Get real NSW ICAC has caught lots of both sides being crooks

cods wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 9:59am:

its pretty sad when you think about it... our pollies NEED WATCHING????.... really?????..

Yes NSW ICAC remember!

cods wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 9:59am:

its staggering...would I vote for something or someone shonky no I bloody wouldnt...

How would you know? They dont go around with signs on them as a rule!

cods wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 9:59am:

if you want pure honesty get up off your bum and do it yourself..

its their bloody rules that need changing....

Yes we do need an ICAC, why do you think both Labor and Libs are against it!

They both have crooks in their ranks no doubt!

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Reply #7 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:10am

cods wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 9:59am:

Swagman wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

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Australians "ABC Groupies" want a Federal corruption watchdog

Fixed it for ya....

most Australians... I love it.. well its beats ALL Australians..

I have never ever been asked and dont know anyone who has...

I think its a load of rubbish...

surely we have enough faith in our system that we vote...

if we thought the majority of them were crooks.. why vote for them???>.

its pretty sad when you think about it... our pollies NEED WATCHING????.... really?????..

I think you misunderstand the concept of a Federal anti-corruption watchdog, a Federal ICAC. It's not there simply to "watch politicians". Its scope would be to watch all corruption that is not adequately handled by existing organisations. We do not have any commission with sufficient powers to investigate. A Federal ICAC (or something like it) would cover politicians, but it would also cover businesses, unions and any other organisation. As long as we have no such commission, politicians can take corrupt donations and then simply say nothing to cover it up.

As for voting them out, that is a flawed approach. If we do not know that they are corrupt, how can we vote them out?

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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Australians want a Federal corruption watchdog Reply #8 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:12am Cods is dead against because she thinks its only Labor that has corruption in its ranks, even though NSW ICAC shows where the real corruption is , 17 Libs wasn't it?
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Re: Australians want a Federal corruption watchdog
Reply #9 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:13am

Bam wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:10am:

cods wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 9:59am:

Swagman wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

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Australians "ABC Groupies" want a Federal corruption watchdog

Fixed it for ya....

most Australians... I love it.. well its beats ALL Australians..

I have never ever been asked and dont know anyone who has...

I think its a load of rubbish...

surely we have enough faith in our system that we vote...

if we thought the majority of them were crooks.. why vote for them???>.

its pretty sad when you think about it... our pollies NEED WATCHING????.... really?????..

I think you misunderstand the concept of a Federal anti-corruption watchdog, a Federal ICAC. It's not there simply to "watch politicians". Its scope would be to watch all corruption that is not adequately handled by existing organisations. We do not have any commission with sufficient powers to investigate. A Federal ICAC (or something like it) would cover politicians, but it would also cover businesses, unions and any other organisation. As long as we have no such commission, politicians can take corrupt donations and then simply say nothing to cover it up.

As for voting them out, that is a flawed approach. If we do not know that they are corrupt, how can we vote them out?

Correct!

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Reply #10 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:28am

Its time wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:12am:

Cods is dead against because she thinks its only Labor that has corruption in its ranks, even though NSW ICAC shows where the real corruption is , 17 Libs wasn't it?

If a Liberal-leaning person thought it was only Labor with corruption issues, surely they would support the idea?

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Reply #11 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:32am

Bam wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:28am:

Its time wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:12am:

Cods is dead against because she thinks its only Labor that has corruption in its ranks, even though NSW ICAC shows where the real corruption is , 17 Libs wasn't it?

If a Liberal-leaning person thought it was only Labor with corruption issues, surely they would support the idea?

Astonishing they wouldn't Bam

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Aussie, Senior Member Offline Folks are dumb where I come from. Posts: 296 Gender:	Re: Australians want a Federal corruption watchdog Reply #12 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:52am There are already checks and balances for business. There isn't for unions because that's exactly the way the ALP and unions like it.
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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Australians want a Federal corruption watchdog Reply #13 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:53am Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:52am: There are already checks and balances for business. There isn't for unions because that's exactly the way the ALP and unions like it. You just had an RC, for one conviction
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Reply #14 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:57am

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:52am:

There are already checks and balances for business.

Yes, there is ASIC. However, business dealings with Federal politicians are not adequately covered by existing anti-corruption commissions which is why we need one.

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:52am:

There isn't for unions because that's exactly the way the ALP and unions like it.

If there was a Federal ICAC, it should provide coverage for anything that isn't already covered. As long as we do not have an anti-corruption commission with Federal scope, we are in breach of international anti-corruption treaties. The case for establishing a Federal ICAC is very strong.

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