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Re: Workers Sacked For Wearing Stickers On Hard Hats
Reply #15 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:10am

Kat wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:03am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:44am:

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Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull. Workers sacked for wearing stickers?. Sad

It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable.

https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.co...

Bullsh1t.

I've seen red and green ones, which can be hard to see.

Mine's white (or rather, was white).

Most sites I've worked on in heavy industry use the different colours to
differentiate between different branches. For example, general workers
wear yellow, fitters wear green, sparkies wear red etc.

And bosses or supervisors invariably wear white.

And your argument about stickers reducing visibility falls apart once you
realise that most of them are actually reflective or fluorescent, and so
actually make the wearer MORE visible. In fact, that's one reason some
apply them (myself included).

So no, unless (as I said earlier if you were paying attention) the stickers
are actually offensive, the order is NOT justified.

You (and they) are simply union-bashing.

As usual.

See picture above and tell us how many reflective stickers you see. Also, how does removing stickers - Union or otherwise - constitute an attack on Freedom of Association? Are they not Unionists anymore? Maybe they (and you) don't need hard hats any more. Not much under them worth damaging.

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Re: Workers Sacked For Wearing Stickers On Hard Hats
Reply #16 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:11am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:57am:

Its time wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:52am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:44am:

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Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull. Workers sacked for wearing stickers?. Sad

It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable.

https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.co...

Its about being in a union and nothing else ,BECHTEL tried this on with us in 2010 but soon backed down

Sorry, no. Got nothing to do with Freedom of Association. No one is making workers end their Union membership. They're just being told to remove the stickers for safety reasons. I reckon this hat below has maybe four or five percent left that isn't covered by a sticker. Not much red left to be seen, is there???

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2552398-3x2-940x627.jpg

Strawman argument , I noticed how you excluded his uniform that could probably seen from space . I work in the industry Armpit , I know why BECHTEL wanted stickers off helmets , they failed

Lets hope all the boys grow a pair and down tools .

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Aussie, Senior Member Offline Folks are dumb where I come from. Posts: 296 Gender:	Re: Workers Sacked For Wearing Stickers On Hard Hats Reply #17 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:12am Don't you need to have a real job to be in the union?
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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Workers Sacked For Wearing Stickers On Hard Hats Reply #18 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:13am I can count 3 on that helmet that are company issued , let me guess they're ok to have on helmets though ?
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Re: Workers Sacked For Wearing Stickers On Hard Hats
Reply #19 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:14am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:57am:

Its time wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:52am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:44am:

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Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull. Workers sacked for wearing stickers?. Sad

It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable.

https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.co...

Its about being in a union and nothing else ,BECHTEL tried this on with us in 2010 but soon backed down

Sorry, no. Got nothing to do with Freedom of Association. No one is making workers end their Union membership. They're just being told to remove the stickers for safety reasons. I reckon this hat below has maybe four or five percent left that isn't covered by a sticker. Not much red left to be seen, is there???

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2552398-3x2-940x627.jpg

Some of the insurers won't risk the glue used on the stickers affecting the plastic in the hat. Removing the stickers doesn't sound that onerous to comply with what seems to be quite reasonable.

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Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes.

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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Workers Sacked For Wearing Stickers On Hard Hats Reply #20 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:14am Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:12am: Don't you need to have a real job to be in the union? Get one, you might find out.
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Re: Workers Sacked For Wearing Stickers On Hard Hats
Reply #21 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:15am

Its time wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:11am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:57am:

Its time wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:52am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:44am:

Quote:

Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull. Workers sacked for wearing stickers?. Sad

It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable.

https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.co...

Its about being in a union and nothing else ,BECHTEL tried this on with us in 2010 but soon backed down

Sorry, no. Got nothing to do with Freedom of Association. No one is making workers end their Union membership. They're just being told to remove the stickers for safety reasons. I reckon this hat below has maybe four or five percent left that isn't covered by a sticker. Not much red left to be seen, is there???

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2552398-3x2-940x627.jpg

Strawman argument , I noticed how you excluded his uniform that could probably seen from space . I work in the industry Armpit , I know why BECHTEL wanted stickers off helmets , they failed

Lets hope all the boys grow a pair and down tools .

How do you inspect the outer shell of a hard hat covered in stickers? Answer: you can't!

Section 3 of Australian Standard AS/NZ 1800:1998 Occupational Protective Helmets - Selection, care and use provides advice on the "Care and Maintenance of Occupational Protective Helmets".

Clause 3.4 - Periodic inspection and maintenance, states:

"All components, shells,harnesses, headbands and accessories should be visually inspected at least weekly for signs of dents, cracks, penetration or other damage due to impact, rough treatment or unauthorized alterations which may reduce the degree of safety originally provided.

"Helmets showing damage or deterioration to the shell should be immediately withdrawn from service and discarded (completely destroyed). Helmets known to have been subject to significant impact should also be discarded, (completely destroyed) even where the damage incurred is not obvious.

"Helmets with sound shells but with damaged, excessively dirty, or defective harness components should be withdrawn from service and the complete harness and cradle replaced (see also Clause 3.3)."

Also, see...

https://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=INTERPRETATIONS&p...

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Re: Workers Sacked For Wearing Stickers On Hard Hats
Reply #23 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:16am

crocodile wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:57am:

Its time wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:52am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:44am:

Quote:

Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull. Workers sacked for wearing stickers?. Sad

It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable.

https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.co...

Its about being in a union and nothing else ,BECHTEL tried this on with us in 2010 but soon backed down

Sorry, no. Got nothing to do with Freedom of Association. No one is making workers end their Union membership. They're just being told to remove the stickers for safety reasons. I reckon this hat below has maybe four or five percent left that isn't covered by a sticker. Not much red left to be seen, is there???

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2552398-3x2-940x627.jpg

Some of the insurers won't risk the glue used on the stickers affecting the plastic in the hat. Removing the stickers doesn't sound that onerous to comply with what seems to be quite reasonable.

Reasonable? You're talking about Unionists here!!! Grin

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Re: Workers Sacked For Wearing Stickers On Hard Hats
Reply #24 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:16am

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:15am:

Its time wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:13am:

I can count 3 on that helmet that are company issued Cheesy

, let me guess they're ok to have on helmets though ?

It's not like you need to protect anything valuable in your head. May as well wrap it in toilet paper.

... or tin foil.

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Re: Workers Sacked For Wearing Stickers On Hard Hats
Reply #26 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:21am

crocodile wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:57am:

Its time wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:52am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:44am:

Quote:

Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull. Workers sacked for wearing stickers?. Sad

It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable.

https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.co...

Its about being in a union and nothing else ,BECHTEL tried this on with us in 2010 but soon backed down

Sorry, no. Got nothing to do with Freedom of Association. No one is making workers end their Union membership. They're just being told to remove the stickers for safety reasons. I reckon this hat below has maybe four or five percent left that isn't covered by a sticker. Not much red left to be seen, is there???

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2552398-3x2-940x627.jpg

Some of the insurers won't risk the glue used on the stickers affecting the plastic in the hat. Removing the stickers doesn't sound that onerous to comply with what seems to be quite reasonable.

All of ours have reflective tape on them and the clients logo, all stickers , is their glue different to union glue ?

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Re: Workers Sacked For Wearing Stickers On Hard Hats
Reply #27 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:31am

Its time wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:21am:

crocodile wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:57am:

Its time wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:52am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:44am:

Quote:

Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull. Workers sacked for wearing stickers?. Sad

It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable.

https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.co...

Its about being in a union and nothing else ,BECHTEL tried this on with us in 2010 but soon backed down

Sorry, no. Got nothing to do with Freedom of Association. No one is making workers end their Union membership. They're just being told to remove the stickers for safety reasons. I reckon this hat below has maybe four or five percent left that isn't covered by a sticker. Not much red left to be seen, is there???

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2552398-3x2-940x627.jpg

Some of the insurers won't risk the glue used on the stickers affecting the plastic in the hat. Removing the stickers doesn't sound that onerous to comply with what seems to be quite reasonable.

All of ours have reflective tape on them and the clients logo, all stickers , is their glue different to union glue ?

Yes, union glue is from poor underpaid sweat shops in Bangladesh.

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Re: Workers Sacked For Wearing Stickers On Hard Hats
Reply #28 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:41am

Its time wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:21am:

crocodile wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:57am:

Its time wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:52am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:44am:

Quote:

Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull. Workers sacked for wearing stickers?. Sad

It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable.

https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.co...

Its about being in a union and nothing else ,BECHTEL tried this on with us in 2010 but soon backed down

Sorry, no. Got nothing to do with Freedom of Association. No one is making workers end their Union membership. They're just being told to remove the stickers for safety reasons. I reckon this hat below has maybe four or five percent left that isn't covered by a sticker. Not much red left to be seen, is there???

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2552398-3x2-940x627.jpg

Some of the insurers won't risk the glue used on the stickers affecting the plastic in the hat. Removing the stickers doesn't sound that onerous to comply with what seems to be quite reasonable.

All of ours have reflective tape on them and the clients logo, all stickers , is their glue different to union glue ?

Reflective tape is one thing, other stickers that have zero to do with improving the visibility of the hard hat wearer shouldn't even be on the hat.

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Re: Workers Sacked For Wearing Stickers On Hard Hats
Reply #29 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:42am

Aussie, wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:31am:

Its time wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:21am:

crocodile wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:57am:

Its time wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:52am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 10:44am:

Quote:

Is this the sort of industrial relations you want Mr Turnbull. Workers sacked for wearing stickers?. Sad

It may seem over-the-top, but it makes sense if you stop with the left-wing, everyone-hates-unions faux outrage and actually think about it. Those hard hats aren't usually painted black or other hard-to-see colours. They're usually white, orange or yellow so that the wearer is as visible on worksites as possible, just like wearing safety vests. When you start putting stickers all over the hats, they become less visible, placing the wearer in more danger. So this order is entirely justifiable.

https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.co...

Its about being in a union and nothing else ,BECHTEL tried this on with us in 2010 but soon backed down

Sorry, no. Got nothing to do with Freedom of Association. No one is making workers end their Union membership. They're just being told to remove the stickers for safety reasons. I reckon this hat below has maybe four or five percent left that isn't covered by a sticker. Not much red left to be seen, is there???

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2552398-3x2-940x627.jpg

Some of the insurers won't risk the glue used on the stickers affecting the plastic in the hat. Removing the stickers doesn't sound that onerous to comply with what seems to be quite reasonable.

All of ours have reflective tape on them and the clients logo, all stickers , is their glue different to union glue ?

Yes, union glue is from poor underpaid sweat shops in Bangladesh.

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