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Reply #15 - Jun 5^th, 2016 at 11:48am

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 11:27am:

Gnads wrote on Jun 4^th, 2016 at 5:30pm:

There was never ever 95% bleaching of the entire reef.

There were perhaps small areas that could have had that sort of bleaching ....

but to say the entire reef was always a fabrication.

Thats right it was a fabrication by the conservative commentators.
Because no one actually said that.

What they said was that 95% of the northern reef was bleached.

So all we are arguing about is the extent of the bleaching. This article by the Murdoch press still admits that a quarter of the entire reef has been killed by bleaching. That is still a very serious event no matter what spin they want to put on it.

And that to... is bullshyte.

What was actually said was certain areas of the northern reef had up to 95% bleaching

if the entire northern reef had 95% bleaching then it would be in the same predicament as I stated

"virtually unsavable, ruined beyond repair"

It has been stated that areas that have been bleached will be reseeded from the untouched northern reefs.

This whole reef bleaching claims is typical scaremongering propaganda.

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Reply #16 - Jun 5^th, 2016 at 12:47pm

From the report -
Quote:

'Dr Reichelt said the vast bulk of bleaching damage was confined to the far northern section off Cape York, which had the best prospect of recovery due to the lack of onshore development and high water quality.'

Which contradicts claims of poor water quality by GBRMPA.

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Water quality is one of the biggest threats to the Great Barrier Reef, according to Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority (GBRMPA) water quality manager Leigh Gray.

http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2015/09/08/4308239.htm

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“However, based on our combined results so far, the overall mortality rate is 22 per cent — and about 85 per cent of that die-off has occurred in the far north between the tip of Cape York and just north of Lizard Island, 250km north of Cairns. Seventy-five per cent of the reef will come out in a few months time as recovered.”

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Reply #17 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 11:12pm

'An Australian university recently censured marine scientist Paul Ridd for “failing to act in a collegial way and in the academic spirit of the institution,” because he questioned popular claims among environmentalists about coral reefs and global warming.

What was Ridd’s crime? He found out two of the world’s leading organizations studying coral reefs were using misleading photographs to make the case that global warming was causing a mass reef die-off. Ridd wasn’t rewarded for checking the facts and blowing the whistle on misleading science. Instead, James Cook University censured Ridd and threatened to fire him for questioning global warming orthodoxy.'
http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/13/university-censures-science-prof-for-fact-chec...

If you can't use the data - fake it.

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Belgarion Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6058 Gender:	Re: Expert: Scientists exaggerated coral bleaching GBR Reply #18 - Jun 21^st, 2016 at 9:38am The acolytes of the Warmist religion will tolerate no heresy. Contradict the word of their prophets at your peril!
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Re: Expert: Scientists exaggerated coral bleaching GBR
Reply #20 - Jun 21^st, 2016 at 10:52am

Its called lying

In order to prop up their ever increasing pay packets and numbers, climate scientist will
Fabricate,
Extrapolate on faulty data,
Fiddle the data and stats.
Manipulate
and just outright lie about everything they possibly can.

Sort of like
Politicians
Multinationals
The RTA/RMA
and Muslims
Only on a more cerebral level than the aforementioned.

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Expert: Scientists exaggerated coral bleaching GBR Reply #21 - Jun 21^st, 2016 at 11:13am It is written by Graham Lloyd, so it has to be taken with a grain of salt. For an environmental editor, hes pretty anti-environment.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19808 Gender:	Re: Expert: Scientists exaggerated coral bleaching GBR Reply #22 - Jun 21^st, 2016 at 11:17am Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 11:13am: It is written by Graham Lloyd, so it has to be taken with a grain of salt. For an environmental editor, hes pretty anti-environment. Perhaps you can come up with a piece exposing the lie?
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Re: Expert: Scientists exaggerated coral bleaching GBR
Reply #23 - Jun 21^st, 2016 at 11:21am

lee wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 11:17am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 11:13am:

It is written by Graham Lloyd, so it has to be taken with a grain of salt.

For an environmental editor, hes pretty anti-environment.

Perhaps you can come up with a piece exposing the lie? Wink

Not a lie, probably a slight context issue.

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19808 Gender:	Re: Expert: Scientists exaggerated coral bleaching GBR Reply #24 - Jun 21^st, 2016 at 11:28am Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 11:21am: Not a lie, probably a slight context issue. You mean not a lie just a slap on the wrist for parsing his thoughts wrongly? Spelling errors? Something like that?
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Reply #25 - Jun 21^st, 2016 at 11:29am

lee wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 11:28am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 11:21am:

Not a lie, probably a slight context issue.

You mean not a lie just a slap on the wrist for parsing his thoughts wrongly? Spelling errors? Something like that?

No, what about the phrase "context issue" do you not understand.

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19808 Gender:	Re: Expert: Scientists exaggerated coral bleaching GBR Reply #26 - Jun 21^st, 2016 at 11:33am Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 11:29am: No, what about the phrase "context issue" do you not understand. what was taken out of context? Paul Ridd's comments or JCU's censure?
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Re: Expert: Scientists exaggerated coral bleaching GBR
Reply #27 - Jun 21^st, 2016 at 11:40am

lee wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 11:33am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 11:29am:

No, what about the phrase "context issue" do you not understand.

what was taken out of context? Paul Ridd's comments or JCU's censure?

Russell Riecherts

Even if they werent though, surely the Park authority needs to publish its data

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Reply #28 - Jun 21^st, 2016 at 12:06pm

lee wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 12:47pm:

From the report -
Quote:

'Dr Reichelt said the vast bulk of bleaching damage was confined to the far northern section off Cape York, which had the best prospect of recovery due to the lack of onshore development and high water quality.'

Which contradicts claims of poor water quality by GBRMPA.

Quote:

Water quality is one of the biggest threats to the Great Barrier Reef, according to Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority (GBRMPA) water quality manager Leigh Gray.

http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2015/09/08/4308239.htm

Quote:

“However, based on our combined results so far, the overall mortality rate is 22 per cent — and about 85 per cent of that die-off has occurred in the far north between the tip of Cape York and just north of Lizard Island, 250km north of Cairns. Seventy-five per cent of the reef will come out in a few months time as recovered.”

No. Reports of extensive bleaching in the northern GBR do not contradict claims of poor water quality by GBRMPA.

As usual, your gross ignorance has led to you cherry-pick from things you don't understand and jump to stupid conclusions.

You are confusing 2 essentially different issues, bleaching due to climate change and the impacts of poor water quality

As GBRMPA explains on this site:
http://www.gbrmpa.gov.au/managing-the-reef/how-the-reefs-managed/water-quality-i...
Catchment run-off and associated water quality is identified as the second most significant pressure on the Great Barrier Reef and is expected to have significant compounding effects with climate change.

So - Water quality is one of the biggest threats to the Great Barrier Reef, in fact - it is identified as the second most significant pressure on the Great Barrier Reef.

Yes - the recent reports on coral bleaching due to increasing water temperatures has been badly reported in many instances - but it is still a simple fact that warming waters due to AGW are having significant impact on the reef, especially in the northern sector

https://www.coralcoe.org.au/media-releases/only-7-of-the-great-barrier-reef-has-...

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Re: Expert: Scientists exaggerated coral bleaching GBR
Reply #29 - Jun 21^st, 2016 at 12:09pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 11:40am:

lee wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 11:33am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 11:29am:

No, what about the phrase "context issue" do you not understand.

what was taken out of context? Paul Ridd's comments or JCU's censure?

Russell Riecherts

Even if they werent though, surely the Park authority needs to publish its data

Russell Riecherts? Please explain.

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