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Reply #30 - May 30th, 2016 at 10:43pm
 
Indeed highly effective. But as he himself admitted caused signicant civcilian fatalities
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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)
 
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Reply #31 - May 30th, 2016 at 10:44pm
 
GordyL wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 9:52pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 9:03pm:
miketrees wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 9:02pm:
Interesting Sir Bob.

I had never seen that angle before,,, about Russia and the bomb.



Thanks - I have deeply researched this topic.


It needed to be dropped on Japan to make them surrender  but it also needed to be field tested and  to give Stalin a demonstration.



As I said - it made Stalin think twice when he saw the photos of Hiroshima & Nagasaki.
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Reply #32 - May 31st, 2016 at 9:40pm
 
I may have posted this elsewhere, but once again, just so we are all on the same page:

End of WW2.

1944: Imperial Japanese government begins to put out vague queries for an armistice to give their industry time to rearm. No discussion of surrender.

May 8 1945: Last remnant of Nazi military surrender unconditionally. Japan remains the last Axis power.

July: Intense air raids and naval bombardment of Japan show invasion is imminent. Japanese military calls up all males 17 to 60 and females 17 to 45 for militia.

Approximately 10,000 varied aircraft are prepared for suicide defence. Adults and children are trained as suicide bombers to wear explosive vests.

July 16: Trinity A-bomb successfully tested in the USA.

July 26: Potsdam Declaration demands immediate unconditional surrender of Imperial Japanese Forces, “or face prompt and utter destruction.”

August 1: OWI leaflet #2106 is dropped over target cities in Japan including Hiroshima and Nagasaki warning to evacuate before bombing begins. On the same day Emperor Hirohito gives the order to kill all 40,000 slave labour Allied prisoners if the Americans land on Japanese soil. At the time these slaves were being starved to death anyway.

August 6: Hiroshima uranium-bomb detonation.
 
August 7: Japanese physicists examine the ruins of Hiroshima and informs the Chief of Staff that it is the result of a nuclear weapon. Naval Chief of Staff Toyoda calculates that the USA can only have built two or three bombs and that while it means great loss of life, there is no reason to halt the war.

Prime Minister Suzuki tells Japanese press the government will ignore Allied demand for surrender.

August 9: Nagasaki plutonium-bomb detonation.
Minister of War tells Hirohito he did not feel the A-bombs made surrender necessary. Saner ministers convince the Emperor to surrender. PM Suzuki is prepared to carry out Imperial instructions. 

August 14: Ministry of War and officers of the Imperial Guard attempt to overthrow the government and prevent surrender. The coup fails. Attempted assassination of Suzuki fails.

August 15: Hirohito’s recorded announcement of cease fire is broadcast over Japanese radio. There is no mention surrender in the communique.
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Reply #33 - Jun 1st, 2016 at 8:26am
 
Bobby. wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 8:01pm:
The Heartless Felon wrote on May 30th, 2016 at 6:48am:
Bobby. wrote on May 29th, 2016 at 10:59pm:
I think the atomic bombs were dropped to stop Russia from  invading Western Europe -

it made Stalin think twice.

It had nothing to do with Japan which was already defeated.


Bobby, WW1 was ended by an armistice, which was a political act. The American military was against this; they believed that Germany needed to be defeated in Germany. In later years, some Germans insisted that Germany had not lost the war but had achieved an honourable peace and, in fact, had shortened the war.
We know what happened after that...
In WW2, the Americans were not going to make the same mistake. Japan had to be defeated in Japan. The estimated cost in casualties of an invasion of Japan has been variously put at up to 1.5 million.
Do the sums...



You believe the official line -

that's just not true.

The Russians had a much bigger Army than the western powers & could have overrun them in 1945.
Stalin wanted to take all of Europe.

The bomb changed Stalin's mind.


Wharfy has taught you well.

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Reply #34 - Jun 1st, 2016 at 8:47am
 
Whether the bomb change Stalin's mind is irrelevant to the War against Japan. Japan was not seen a mix of good and bad,. Their cruel and fanatical conduct in China and WW2, convinced most people in the Western world, China, the East Indies, and the Pacific Islands, that Japan deserved to be flattened.
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Reply #35 - Jun 1st, 2016 at 9:57am
 
issuevoter wrote on Jun 1st, 2016 at 8:47am:
Whether the bomb change Stalin's mind is irrelevant to the War against Japan. Japan was not seen a mix of good and bad,. Their cruel and fanatical conduct in China and WW2, convinced most people in the Western world, China, the East Indies, and the Pacific Islands, that Japan deserved to be flattened.


Damned right. Their lack of any sort of human compassion was demonic. 

Decades after the war, Japanese tourists to the Philippines would pay locals to squirt lighter fuel on rats in cages and then set them alight. Hilarious entertainment. Thigh-slapping stuff. The Japs would return home from their holidays feeling the time had been well-spent and therapeutic in relaxing them from their stressful work-lives.

That particular kind of entertainment is probably still there in the Philippines and elsewhere for them to enjoy.

"Not all cultures are the same"
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