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Re: a mindless collective of treacherous Jews
Reply #105 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 9:31pm  
freediver wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 8:32pm:
The first I recall seeing it is in this thread. Can you show me where you said it previously?


FD, your specialty is starting threads with a 100 obscure quotes from 5 years ago. I think you are capable of finding it.

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Is it based on that article you posted that insisted it must be a lie because a Jew said it was true?


Thats now what it said. Try again.
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Reply #106 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 9:32pm  
Karnal wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 8:52pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 6:29pm:
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I'm curious FD, is your argument that I'm a filthy wacist who is lying about it - or that what I say is true - but its just unfortunate that jews, traitors and mass execution exist in the same story - and must therefore be dismissed as racist anyway?


My argument is that your religion compels you to use racist propaganda to justify the slaughter of Jews, that you are sufficiently aware of how bad this looks to try to put a politically correct spin on it, and that your chosen strategy for defending your position is to focus entirely on the spin while ignoring the substance. That is how you come to use terms like mindless collective, traitorous, treacherous Jews but insist that it is somehow different from calling them a mindless collective of treacherous Jews. That is how you come to concede that the collective was punished, but maintain that it was not collective punishment.

Perhaps you are just confused and think people find your views abhorrent because I have tricked them by rearranging your words, but there must be some nagging doubt about the substance of what you are saying.

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apparently I said both 'treacherous' and 'jew' somewhere, therefore I'm guilty of using the racist slur "treacherous jew".


See Gandalf? You only see the spin. It has never occurred to you that people may actually be reacting to the use of racist propaganda to justify the slaughter of Jews, rather than a particular racist slur, has it? It's like you are a polite Nazi insisting we must not insult the Jews while we ship them off to the gas chambers.


A post worthy of Moses, FD.

But I’m still curious. Who used the terms "treacherous Jews", "traitorous Jews", and "mindless collective (of said Jews)"?

You haven’t said.


You're asking FD to admit he put words into my mouth. Good luck.
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Re: a mindless collective of treacherous Jews
Reply #107 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 9:47pm  
If you don’t mind me saying, G, that’s a typical cynical Muslim response. Google: taqiyya.

In our country, FD has the Freeedom to express himself. We don’t put words in people’s mouths here, you know. We believe in self expression, honesty and freedom of speech. Evasion is an anaethema to us. It goes against every value we stand upon.

FD will be along any moment now to.express himself, you’ll see..
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Re: a mindless collective of treacherous Jews
Reply #108 - Jun 9th, 2016 at 12:00am  
Mistress Nicole wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 8:16pm:
@ Gandalf.

You avoided the guts of my post, which is disengenious.

Let me remind you. You wrote:
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I'm curious FD, is your argument that I'm a filthy wacist who is lying about it - or that what I say is true - but its just unfortunate that jews, traitors and mass execution exist in the same story - and must therefore be dismissed as racist anyway?


Let me point it out. You're arguing that your post isn't racist, because it happens to be true. Jews are indeed treacherous.

My point way, you can't slice it two ways. You can't argue that making negative comments about jews being treacherous is justified, whilst arguing that the sexist, homophobic, repressive culture that hallmarks Islam, is somehow racist.

To wit I wrote:
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In a similar vein what I say is true, and it's unfortunate that killings for apostasy, stoning gays, requiring women have four male witnesses for rape, not allowing a woman outside of her house without a male relative, etc, happen to be the hallmarks of Muslim societies, just happen to be true. Does that make me a racist, or simply someone who tells the facts as they are.


Caqn you please expand why calling Jews "treacherous" is not racist, whilst pointing out the obvious problems of sexism and homophobia of Muslims is somehow not racist? Thanks in advance.

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Sorry to burst your bubble Nicole, but I'm a lilly white 4 generation anglo. Rather racist of you assuming I'm from a filthy tinted race.


I actually have a lot more sympathy for those born into the sexist, homophobic, caning, stoning Muslim cult that I do for "reverts" who were born in the free west, and have the ability to research these subjects before joining same.


Bump for Gandalf. You could have a crack at it too karnal. However Gandalf is probably up for it. Unlike you. Miaw Miaw.
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Reply #109 - Jun 9th, 2016 at 1:10pm  
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FD, your specialty is starting threads with a 100 obscure quotes from 5 years ago. I think you are capable of finding it.


So now it is up to me to prove your argument, to the point where I have to go looking for something that I do not believe exists and do not even know what it looks like?

Is this how Islamic reform works Gandalf? You get non-Muslims to explain why your views are unconscionable, then when you finally understand it, declare that you never believed it to begin with, and it is up to someone else to demonstrate that you never believed it?

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Thats now what it said. Try again.


Correct Gandalf. Well done. You are quoting something I said. The reason I ask, is because you did not say. Here is the question so you can try again:

Is it based on that article you posted that insisted it must be a lie because a Jew said it was true?

I do recall you claiming that two of them got away by 'disowning' their treachery, but you would not elaborate for some reason. Why is that?

If you do not believe it, why do you feel the need to justify it by saying they were a mindless collective of treacherous Jews?

Why do you say that the collective was punished if it never happened?
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Re: a mindless collective of treacherous Jews
Reply #110 - Jun 9th, 2016 at 1:48pm  
FD, you didn't answer the question.

Are you scared the Muselman will track you down and behead you? He is, after all, trying to take away the freedoms of decent white people everywhere.

Personally, I wouldn't let this bother you. Be brave. Say what's on your mind. This is what our proud Western tradition is all about. We wouldn't want to let the Muselman take that away, now would we?

Now. Who used those terms? You've created a thread on it, so it's important that we get to the bottom of this.

I promise to use all my apologetic appeasement skills if the Muselman tries to kill you.
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Re: a mindless collective of treacherous Jews
Reply #111 - Jun 9th, 2016 at 1:58pm  
freediver wrote on Jun 9th, 2016 at 1:10pm:
So now it is up to me to prove your argument, to the point where I have to go looking for something that I do not believe exists and do not even know what it looks like?


Well you won't find it with that attitude.

freediver wrote on Jun 9th, 2016 at 1:10pm:
Is this how Islamic reform works Gandalf? You get non-Muslims to explain why your views are unconscionable, then when you finally understand it, declare that you never believed it to begin with, and it is up to someone else to demonstrate that you never believed it?


My views are not unconscionable to any reasonable person. It would be justifiable to execute traitors who broke a treaty in an effort to commit genocide against the people you pledged loyalty too.

As it so happened, it probably didn't occur. But its still a legitimate philosophical point to be made. What if we take jews and Muhammad out of it - do you think its at all justifiable - however brutal - to execute traitors who are conspiring with an enemy who are attempting to slaughter you? Just as a general hypothetical. Or better still, lets pretend it was big bad racist Muhammad and his merry band of rapists/murderers who broke a treaty and attempted to annihilate some poor defenceless jews or pagans, but failed. Justifiable if those jews/pagans sentence him and his men to death?

freediver wrote on Jun 9th, 2016 at 1:10pm:
Is it based on that article you posted that insisted it must be a lie because a Jew said it was true?


Try again FD. I'll help you out by highlighting the factually incorrect part.
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Re: a mindless collective of treacherous Jews
Reply #112 - Jun 9th, 2016 at 2:32pm  
Mistress Nicole wrote on Jun 9th, 2016 at 12:00am:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 8:16pm:
@ Gandalf.

You avoided the guts of my post, which is disengenious.

Let me remind you. You wrote:
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I'm curious FD, is your argument that I'm a filthy wacist who is lying about it - or that what I say is true - but its just unfortunate that jews, traitors and mass execution exist in the same story - and must therefore be dismissed as racist anyway?


Let me point it out. You're arguing that your post isn't racist, because it happens to be true. Jews are indeed treacherous.

My point way, you can't slice it two ways. You can't argue that making negative comments about jews being treacherous is justified, whilst arguing that the sexist, homophobic, repressive culture that hallmarks Islam, is somehow racist.

To wit I wrote:
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In a similar vein what I say is true, and it's unfortunate that killings for apostasy, stoning gays, requiring women have four male witnesses for rape, not allowing a woman outside of her house without a male relative, etc, happen to be the hallmarks of Muslim societies, just happen to be true. Does that make me a racist, or simply someone who tells the facts as they are.


Caqn you please expand why calling Jews "treacherous" is not racist, whilst pointing out the obvious problems of sexism and homophobia of Muslims is somehow not racist? Thanks in advance.

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Sorry to burst your bubble Nicole, but I'm a lilly white 4 generation anglo. Rather racist of you assuming I'm from a filthy tinted race.


I actually have a lot more sympathy for those born into the sexist, homophobic, caning, stoning Muslim cult that I do for "reverts" who were born in the free west, and have the ability to research these subjects before joining same.


Bump for Gandalf. You could have a crack at it too karnal. However Gandalf is probably up for it. Unlike you. Miaw Miaw.


Ok fine.

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You're arguing that your post isn't racist, because it happens to be true. Jews are indeed treacherous.


What rubbish. I never said anything of the sort. I said the Banu Qurayza were teacherous, while going to great pains to omit their ethnicity/religion. FD thinks thats sneaky and just further proof of my racism. So he presumably prefers I said what he wishes so badly that I said - that they were "treacherous jews", which definitely would have been racist. Thus you can see his crude little attempt at a catch 22. But facts are facts - they broke a treaty, and committed treachery by conspiring with the enemy that was at the time laying siege to their city. Revealing that they just happened to be jewish doesn't magically make them not break a treaty and conspiring with their sworn enemy.

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You can't argue that making negative comments about jews being treacherous is justified, whilst arguing that the sexist, homophobic, repressive culture that hallmarks Islam, is somehow racist.


And yet I'm not arguing that saying Islam is all those things is racist. Have you been taking lessons from FD on shoving words into people's mouths? What I did say was that describing 100% of the male muslim population as inbred, retarded murderous psychopaths - who squat to pee, *IS* racist.

Would you agree Nicole? Is such a description racist in your book?
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Re: a mindless collective of treacherous Jews
Reply #113 - Jun 9th, 2016 at 4:34pm  
Out with it, FD. Who used such sinister, wacist terms?

G is saying it was not him. But if not he, who?

Please explain.
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Reply #114 - Jun 9th, 2016 at 4:46pm  
Karnal wrote on Jun 9th, 2016 at 4:34pm:
Out with it, FD. Who used such sinister, wacist terms?

G is saying it was not him. But if not he, who?

Please explain.


Maybe you need to give him a gentle and polite hint?
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Re: a mindless collective of treacherous Jews
Reply #115 - Jun 9th, 2016 at 4:50pm  
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 9th, 2016 at 2:32pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Jun 9th, 2016 at 12:00am:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 8:16pm:
@ Gandalf.

You avoided the guts of my post, which is disengenious.

Let me remind you. You wrote:
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I'm curious FD, is your argument that I'm a filthy wacist who is lying about it - or that what I say is true - but its just unfortunate that jews, traitors and mass execution exist in the same story - and must therefore be dismissed as racist anyway?


Let me point it out. You're arguing that your post isn't racist, because it happens to be true. Jews are indeed treacherous.

My point way, you can't slice it two ways. You can't argue that making negative comments about jews being treacherous is justified, whilst arguing that the sexist, homophobic, repressive culture that hallmarks Islam, is somehow racist.

To wit I wrote:
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In a similar vein what I say is true, and it's unfortunate that killings for apostasy, stoning gays, requiring women have four male witnesses for rape, not allowing a woman outside of her house without a male relative, etc, happen to be the hallmarks of Muslim societies, just happen to be true. Does that make me a racist, or simply someone who tells the facts as they are.


Caqn you please expand why calling Jews "treacherous" is not racist, whilst pointing out the obvious problems of sexism and homophobia of Muslims is somehow not racist? Thanks in advance.

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Sorry to burst your bubble Nicole, but I'm a lilly white 4 generation anglo. Rather racist of you assuming I'm from a filthy tinted race.


I actually have a lot more sympathy for those born into the sexist, homophobic, caning, stoning Muslim cult that I do for "reverts" who were born in the free west, and have the ability to research these subjects before joining same.


Bump for Gandalf. You could have a crack at it too karnal. However Gandalf is probably up for it. Unlike you. Miaw Miaw.


Ok fine.

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You're arguing that your post isn't racist, because it happens to be true. Jews are indeed treacherous.


What rubbish. I never said anything of the sort. I said the Banu Qurayza were teacherous, while going to great pains to omit their ethnicity/religion. FD thinks thats sneaky and just further proof of my racism. So he presumably prefers I said what he wishes so badly that I said - that they were "treacherous jews", which definitely would have been racist. Thus you can see his crude little attempt at a catch 22. But facts are facts - they broke a treaty, and committed treachery by conspiring with the enemy that was at the time laying siege to their city. Revealing that they just happened to be jewish doesn't magically make them not break a treaty and conspiring with their sworn enemy.

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You can't argue that making negative comments about jews being treacherous is justified, whilst arguing that the sexist, homophobic, repressive culture that hallmarks Islam, is somehow racist.


And yet I'm not arguing that saying Islam is all those things is racist. Have you been taking lessons from FD on shoving words into people's mouths? What I did say was that describing 100% of the male muslim population as inbred, retarded murderous psychopaths - who squat to pee, *IS* racist.

Would you agree Nicole? Is such a description racist in your book?


Yes. But then I don't get hung up about racism. I think it's normal and an inherent part of all cultures.
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Reply #116 - Jun 9th, 2016 at 5:05pm  
Gee, it looks like everyone thinks it's wacist. FD, G, Aussie, Nicole...

So who said it?
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Reply #117 - Jun 9th, 2016 at 6:23pm  
Mistress Nicole wrote on Jun 9th, 2016 at 4:50pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 9th, 2016 at 2:32pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Jun 9th, 2016 at 12:00am:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 8:16pm:
@ Gandalf.

You avoided the guts of my post, which is disengenious.

Let me remind you. You wrote:
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I'm curious FD, is your argument that I'm a filthy wacist who is lying about it - or that what I say is true - but its just unfortunate that jews, traitors and mass execution exist in the same story - and must therefore be dismissed as racist anyway?


Let me point it out. You're arguing that your post isn't racist, because it happens to be true. Jews are indeed treacherous.

My point way, you can't slice it two ways. You can't argue that making negative comments about jews being treacherous is justified, whilst arguing that the sexist, homophobic, repressive culture that hallmarks Islam, is somehow racist.

To wit I wrote:
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In a similar vein what I say is true, and it's unfortunate that killings for apostasy, stoning gays, requiring women have four male witnesses for rape, not allowing a woman outside of her house without a male relative, etc, happen to be the hallmarks of Muslim societies, just happen to be true. Does that make me a racist, or simply someone who tells the facts as they are.


Caqn you please expand why calling Jews "treacherous" is not racist, whilst pointing out the obvious problems of sexism and homophobia of Muslims is somehow not racist? Thanks in advance.

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Sorry to burst your bubble Nicole, but I'm a lilly white 4 generation anglo. Rather racist of you assuming I'm from a filthy tinted race.


I actually have a lot more sympathy for those born into the sexist, homophobic, caning, stoning Muslim cult that I do for "reverts" who were born in the free west, and have the ability to research these subjects before joining same.


Bump for Gandalf. You could have a crack at it too karnal. However Gandalf is probably up for it. Unlike you. Miaw Miaw.


Ok fine.

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You're arguing that your post isn't racist, because it happens to be true. Jews are indeed treacherous.


What rubbish. I never said anything of the sort. I said the Banu Qurayza were teacherous, while going to great pains to omit their ethnicity/religion. FD thinks thats sneaky and just further proof of my racism. So he presumably prefers I said what he wishes so badly that I said - that they were "treacherous jews", which definitely would have been racist. Thus you can see his crude little attempt at a catch 22. But facts are facts - they broke a treaty, and committed treachery by conspiring with the enemy that was at the time laying siege to their city. Revealing that they just happened to be jewish doesn't magically make them not break a treaty and conspiring with their sworn enemy.

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You can't argue that making negative comments about jews being treacherous is justified, whilst arguing that the sexist, homophobic, repressive culture that hallmarks Islam, is somehow racist.


And yet I'm not arguing that saying Islam is all those things is racist. Have you been taking lessons from FD on shoving words into people's mouths? What I did say was that describing 100% of the male muslim population as inbred, retarded murderous psychopaths - who squat to pee, *IS* racist.

Would you agree Nicole? Is such a description racist in your book?


Yes. But then I don't get hung up about racism. I think it's normal and an inherent part of all cultures.


Gee Nicole, there must be at least 3 or 4 points you've just dropped and ran from there - that you yourself raised.
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Reply #118 - Jun 9th, 2016 at 6:32pm  
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My views are not unconscionable to any reasonable person. It would be justifiable to execute traitors who broke a treaty in an effort to commit genocide against the people you pledged loyalty too.


All 800 of them? Because they are all treacherous by default, on account of them belonging to a mindless collective of treacherous Jews? Please, go ahead and find me a reasonable person who agrees with this.

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Well you won't find it with that attitude.


The first I recall seeing it is in this thread. Can you show me where you said it previously? Why do you say that the collective was punished if it never happened?

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Try again FD. I'll help you out by highlighting the factually incorrect part.


If you have an alternative interpretation of the article, please share. Is it based on that article you posted that insisted it must be a lie because a Jew said it was true?

I do recall you claiming that two of them got away by 'disowning' their treachery, but you would not elaborate for some reason. Why is that?

If you do not believe it, why do you feel the need to justify it by saying they were a mindless collective of treacherous Jews?

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What rubbish. I never said anything of the sort. I said the Banu Qurayza were teacherous


What about the other two large tribes of Medina Jews. Also treacherous? And what about the Meccan Jews? How did they fare?

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while going to great pains to omit their ethnicity/religion


Yes it is important not to mention that they are Jewish while chopping their heads off. It might upset them. You also went to great pains to not mention that their Jewishness was cited as a reason for executing them.

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So he presumably prefers I said what he wishes so badly that I said - that they were "treacherous jews"


Were they Gandalf? You still have not produced a rational explanation for how they can be both treacherous and Jewish without being treacherous Jews. Have you ever seen a Venn diagram? Is there some alternative Islamic version of logic that I am unaware of?

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But facts are facts - they broke a treaty, and committed treachery by conspiring with the enemy that was at the time laying siege to their city. Revealing that they just happened to be jewish doesn't magically make them not break a treaty and conspiring with their sworn enemy.


But it was a reason given for executing them wasn't it Gandalf? Or will you flip back to saying it never happened anyway?
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Reply #119 - Jun 9th, 2016 at 7:02pm  
freediver wrote on Jun 9th, 2016 at 6:32pm:
If you have an alternative interpretation of the article, please share.


Well I could start talking about how the article is essentially a critique of Ibn Ishaq and his  questionable scholarly method, and the fact that he is the sole source of the story, and how all Islamic scholars either dismiss the story outright and dismiss the author as a fraud (Malik), or merely repeat the account without giving any sort of vote of confidence in the source...

...but nah, lets just go with your profound "cause a guy said da jooo made it up"
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