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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33208 Gender:	Re: Aurukun teachers evacuated.....again Reply #180 - Jun 4^th, 2016 at 7:37am cough cough Myth ey?
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 46311	Re: Aurukun teachers evacuated.....again Reply #181 - Jun 4^th, 2016 at 5:13pm Gnads wrote on Jun 4^th, 2016 at 7:37am: cough cough Myth ey? Do you have evidence to the contrary?
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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33208 Gender:	Re: Aurukun teachers evacuated.....again Reply #182 - Jun 4^th, 2016 at 5:32pm Not for you obviously you have your head in the sand
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 46311	Re: Aurukun teachers evacuated.....again Reply #183 - Jun 4^th, 2016 at 7:06pm Gnads wrote on Jun 4^th, 2016 at 5:32pm: Not for you obviously you have your head in the sand Do I? It's an easy charge to make but I believe otherwise. I want to see your evidence, please. That is, if you have any?
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Raven Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2982 Around	Re: Aurukun teachers evacuated.....again Reply #184 - Jun 4^th, 2016 at 10:43pm Gnads wrote on Jun 4^th, 2016 at 7:37am: cough cough Myth ey? Yes
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Re: Aurukun teachers evacuated.....again
Reply #185 - Jun 5^th, 2016 at 2:03pm

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Aw thank you Nicole.

Despite your philosophical differences Corran always liked you. Although you did not always agree he felt that at least you were willing to listen and understand where he came from.

Yeah I think you, me and the lovely Corran always got along ok - well, we at least had lively discussions.

I know from your upbringing and background Raven you are far better equipped to address these issues than I am. God bless Corran for raising you as his own.

I will add, that I am interested in the advancement of Aboriginal people - just like you. We merely disagree on ways to get it done.

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SRAs went a bit further than that. The government would essentially tell communities 'You need a shared responsibility agreement for us to deliver normal citizenship entitlements that other Australians take for granted. We will give you a school, water, power, sewerage, if you behave in a particular way."

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Are you seriously suggesting that the government would refuse to provide basic amenities like power, water and sewerage if communities did not sign up for an SRA? What's your proof of that?

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To address your highlighted comments humanrights.gov.au (2005) is quoted as saying

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Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples do not enjoy the same standard of infrastructure necessary for health, including: safe drinking water, healthy food sources, effective sewerage systems, rubbish collection services and healthy housing.

Now hang on a sec, Raven. That's a 2005 quote from humanrights.gov.au. If I recall correctly, SRAs weren't introduced until 2004. I think you need to admit that the quote does not answer your allegation that SRAs denied people power, water, and sewerage. Where's your argument that the government, via the mechanism of SRAs, refused Aboriginal communities basic amenities like water?

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Yes, Aboriginal people have to pay for power and water.

No, Aboriginal people do not get free housing.

No, Aboriginal people do not get more dole than others.

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Housing

In 2002-03, the Government said it would spend approximately $350 million on Indigenous-specific housing and related infrastructure programs. In addition to Indigenous-specific housing programs, an estimated 22% of Indigenous households are tenants in mainstream public housing
http://www.humanrights.gov.au/publications/questions-and-answers-about-aboriginal-torres-strait-islander-peoples#q5

I'll take your word for it on power and water.

Cheers,
Nicole

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Reply #186 - Jun 5^th, 2016 at 2:18pm

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Yes, Aboriginal people have to pay for power and water.

No, Aboriginal people do not get free housing.

No, Aboriginal people do not get more dole than others.

Pay for power & water with what?

How much do they pay for housing in remote communities like Aurukun?

But they get more allowances on top of the dole.

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Reply #187 - Jun 5^th, 2016 at 2:54pm

Gnads wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 2:18pm:

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Yes, Aboriginal people have to pay for power and water.

No, Aboriginal people do not get free housing.

No, Aboriginal people do not get more dole than others.

Pay for power & water with what?

How much do they pay for housing in remote communities like Aurukun?

But they get more allowances on top of the dole.

Some of your best friends are Aboriginal?

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33208 Gender:	Re: Aurukun teachers evacuated.....again Reply #188 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 8:03am Are yours?
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Reply #189 - Jun 7^th, 2016 at 12:19pm

Hi Nicole

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Yeah I think you, me and the lovely Corran always got along ok - well, we at least had lively discussions.

I know from your upbringing and background Raven you are far better equipped to address these issues than I am. God bless Corran for raising you as his own.

I will add, that I am interested in the advancement of Aboriginal people - just like you. We merely disagree on ways to get it done.

Those were the days. The verbal thrust and parry. Such good fun.

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Now hang on a sec, Raven. That's a 2005 quote from humanrights.gov.au. If I recall correctly, SRAs weren't introduced until 2004. I think you need to admit that the quote does not answer your allegation that SRAs denied people power, water, and sewerage. Where's your argument that the government, via the mechanism of SRAs, refused Aboriginal communities basic amenities like water?

Humanrights.gov.au initially stated

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With the new agreement making processes, we have an unprecedented opportunity to engage and empower Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples to overcome existing health inequalities.

Following outcry from Indigenous communities common sense prevailed and humanrights.gov.au further stated

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SRAs should not be used to negotiate the delivery of primary health care access or the delivery of essential infrastructure provision -such as water supply, sanitation and sewerage.

Nicole wrote

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In 2002-03, the Government said it would spend approximately $350 million on Indigenous-specific housing and related infrastructure programs. In addition to Indigenous-specific housing programs, an estimated 22% of Indigenous households are tenants in mainstream public housing

I'll take your word for it on power and water.

Ok but people living in those houses still have to pay rent.

Let's use QLD as an example

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If you are living in a remote Indigenous community, your rent is assessed based on the income of each person living in the property. This means that all households will pay either approximately 25% of their total assessable (after-tax) income as rent or the maximum rent, whichever is the lower amount.

Maximum rent on Communities is:

1 bedroom - $90 p/w
2 bedrooms - $105 p/w
3 bedrooms - $120 p/w
4 bedrooms - $150 p/w

Rent on Indigenous communities

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Laugh till you cry Gold Member Offline Posts: 16619 In your happy place Gender:	Re: Aurukun teachers evacuated.....again Reply #190 - Jun 7^th, 2016 at 12:25pm Gnads wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 8:03am: Are yours? I must confess I am out of stock on British Aboriginals right now.
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Reply #191 - Jun 7^th, 2016 at 12:28pm

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Pay for power & water with what?

Pensions, benefits and allowances paid by Centrelink.

Also things like a salary. As shocking as it is there are Aboriginal people gainfully employed.

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How much do they pay for housing in remote communities like Aurukun?

Not as much as a renter living in Toorak.

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But they get more allowances on top of the dole.

Sure they do, if eligible they also get things like Family Tax Benefit Part A, Family Tax Benefit Part B, foster care allowance, the disability support pension and youth allowance.

You know, all the things every other eligible Australian is entitled to.

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33208 Gender:	Re: Aurukun teachers evacuated.....again Reply #192 - Jun 7^th, 2016 at 1:47pm Sorry Raven it's not as cut & dry as you make out.
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Reply #193 - Jun 7^th, 2016 at 2:01pm

Gnads wrote on Jun 7^th, 2016 at 1:47pm:

Sorry Raven it's not as cut & dry as you make out.

Then by all means, enlighten us. Clear evidence has been shown to refute your position. Normally in a debate one side will present their argument and then the other will present theirs.

So please show your evidence to back up your position?

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33208 Gender:	Re: Aurukun teachers evacuated.....again Reply #194 - Jun 7^th, 2016 at 2:31pm https://www.humanservices.gov.au/customer/services/centrelink/schoolkids-bonus
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