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Reply #105 - May 26th, 2016 at 4:01pm
 
Mistress Nicole wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 3:56pm:
Aussie wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 3:53pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 3:47pm:
Aussie wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 3:45pm:
That amounts to a nothing more than a series of 'tell me hows.'  When are you going to do as promised, and tell us what your ideas are/solution is?


Sure.

SRAs were perfect, until labor ripped them up. What are your thoughts on SRAs? Oz.

I know Laugh really likes them (I suspect she doesn't know what they are...)


He would not be the only one.  I have no idea what an SRA is, Hole.


I know you don't. Neither does Laugh.

I find it amazing that you can come in here and lob spit balls at policies you didn't even know existed, let alone understand.

If I can be arsed I'll walk you through it. At some point. There again, pearls before swine...


I have lobbed no spitballs.  That is your strawman rubbish.  When are ever going to post something of substance, Hole?
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Reply #106 - May 26th, 2016 at 4:17pm
 




I don't know why everyone is up in arms, it's what they do.


You seem to think this behaviour is something that can be fixed, well it not looking too good so far and the various do-gooders have been coming up with solutions / excused for decades and all for no improvement.

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Reply #107 - May 26th, 2016 at 4:18pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 4:17pm:
I don't know why everyone is up in arms, it's what they do.


You seem to think this behaviour is something that can be fixed, well it not looking too good so far and the various do-gooders have been coming up with solutions / excused for decades and all for no improvement.



Big'Ol....what is an SRA?

Anyone?
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Reply #108 - May 26th, 2016 at 4:19pm
 
Aussie wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 4:18pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 4:17pm:
I don't know why everyone is up in arms, it's what they do.


You seem to think this behaviour is something that can be fixed, well it not looking too good so far and the various do-gooders have been coming up with solutions / excused for decades and all for no improvement.



Big'Ol....what is an SRA?

Anyone?



Never heard of it; don't care enough to find out.

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Reply #109 - May 26th, 2016 at 4:50pm
 
SRA ... easy peasy.

Somebody Réchauffé Aussie?


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Reply #110 - May 26th, 2016 at 6:39pm
 
Mistress Nicole wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 3:47pm:
Aussie wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 3:45pm:
That amounts to a nothing more than a series of 'tell me hows.'  When are you going to do as promised, and tell us what your ideas are/solution is?


Sure.

SRAs were perfect, until labor ripped them up. What are your thoughts on SRAs? Oz.

I know Laugh really likes them (I suspect she doesn't know what they are...)


Why are SRAs "perfect", Nicole?

My thoughts are that SRAs are imposed on communities by a government which does not want to admit that their past paternalistic policies have failed.   Labor may have "ripped them up" but I wonder how much is that your opinion?
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Reply #111 - May 26th, 2016 at 6:44pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 6:39pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 3:47pm:
Aussie wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 3:45pm:
That amounts to a nothing more than a series of 'tell me hows.'  When are you going to do as promised, and tell us what your ideas are/solution is?


Sure.

SRAs were perfect, until labor ripped them up. What are your thoughts on SRAs? Oz.

I know Laugh really likes them (I suspect she doesn't know what they are...)


Why are SRAs "perfect", Nicole?

My thoughts are that SRAs are imposed on communities by a government which does not want to admit that their past paternalistic policies have failed.   Labor may have "ripped them up" but I wonder how much is that your opinion?


I agree this paternalistic policies have failed.  Time for some tough love?

Any solutions?  Cos all I see on the horizon is more paternalism and potential failure.
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Reply #112 - May 26th, 2016 at 6:45pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 1:27pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 12:57pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 12:54pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 12:52pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 12:47pm:
The misconduct of the closet poms continues:

http://theconversation.com/indigenous-reconciliation-in-australia-still-a-bridge...

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The effects of more than 200 years of dispossession, racism and discrimination have left many Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people with low levels of education, an inability to gain meaningful employment, over-representated in the prison system, and appalling housing conditions.

Reconciliation provides a legacy platform for our continued growth and prosperity as a nation.  Michael Coghlan/Flickr, CC BY-SA
Too many recommendations made for and by Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people over decades have never been acted on. Instead, poorly designed policies made on their behalf are funded and enacted.

More weighty and bewildering government reports will not assist reconciliation, and even if they make governments feel like something is being done.

But it’s not all bleak. Community-led movements such as Change the Record, Just Reinvest NSW and Empowered Communities are all working, in different ways, to tackle Indigenous disadvantage.

Part of their success comes from changing the way Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people’s issues are talked about and addressed – from one of deficit in which people are described as problematic to one of empowerment and strength.

A deep need

Reconciliation is not an outcome or a goal as much as a relationship and an ongoing journey. It’s vital for the long-term well-being of settler nations – for their identity, history, polity and nationhood.

But whatever its terms or whoever its participants, reconciliation will be no more than a series of slogans if settler Australians cannot come to a just understanding with Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Australians.

It’s now 25 years since the establishment of the Council for Aboriginal Reconciliation, now Reconciliation Australia. That’s 25 years since Australia started a national conversation about how to become reconciled, equitable and just.

There have been many achievements, disappointments and challenges since then in the process of healing the deep rift between Indigenous and non-Indigenous Australians.

But despite all the backlashes, put-downs, trivialisation and wedge politics, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people have come back stronger, more articulate, more practical, more resilient and surer of their capacity to contribute. And they’re also surer of what they expect from their contribution.

Reconciliation provides a legacy platform for our continued growth and prosperity as a nation. It’s time to make it happen.
I wish I could blame my conduct on things that happened hundreds of years ago.


I blame it on the conception of Mr. Hammer's ancestors.
I blame your silly posts on your defective DNA. The outcome of poor Indians rooting their cousins for multiple generations.


Sadly, they were Mr. Hammer's cousins in disguise, seeking sexual fulfillment; anally.


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and appalling housing conditions


And how do the housing conditions become appalling?

Because they trash them.

You have no idea.
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Reply #113 - May 26th, 2016 at 6:49pm
 
Secret Wars wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 6:44pm:
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I agree this paternalistic policies have failed.  Time for some tough love?


How about a different approach?  Break up the Arakun settlement.  Most of the trouble is caused, AIUI from the mixing of different tribes caused by their having been moved off their lands and lumped together.   Tribes which are inimical to one another don't make good neighbours it seems.

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Any solutions?  Cos all I see on the horizon is more paternalism and potential failure. 


See above.   Create separate settlements for each tribe, well separated.
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Reply #114 - May 26th, 2016 at 6:57pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 6:49pm:
Secret Wars wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 6:44pm:
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I agree this paternalistic policies have failed.  Time for some tough love?


How about a different approach?  Break up the Arakun settlement.  Most of the trouble is caused, AIUI from the mixing of different tribes caused by their having been moved off their lands and lumped together.   Tribes which are inimical to one another don't make good neighbours it seems.

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Any solutions?  Cos all I see on the horizon is more paternalism and potential failure. 


See above.   Create separate settlements for each tribe, well separated.   


Yeah, settlements that has worked well.  No jobs, nothing to do and massively expensive.  More failure.
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Reply #115 - May 26th, 2016 at 7:02pm
 
Secret Wars wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 6:57pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 6:49pm:
Secret Wars wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 6:44pm:
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I agree this paternalistic policies have failed.  Time for some tough love?


How about a different approach?  Break up the Arakun settlement.  Most of the trouble is caused, AIUI from the mixing of different tribes caused by their having been moved off their lands and lumped together.   Tribes which are inimical to one another don't make good neighbours it seems.

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Any solutions?  Cos all I see on the horizon is more paternalism and potential failure. 


See above.   Create separate settlements for each tribe, well separated.   


Yeah, settlements that has worked well.  No jobs, nothing to do and massively expensive.  More failure.


To Ozpolitic conservatives settlements is a euphemism for Gulags, concentration camps where the insoluble problems are concealed from society.

Isolated with minimal services on rocky land unwanted by pastoralists or mining companies, except that if valuable minerals are found the inhabitants will be transported to a less valuable Gulag.
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Reply #116 - May 26th, 2016 at 7:05pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 7:02pm:
Secret Wars wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 6:57pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 6:49pm:
Secret Wars wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 6:44pm:
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I agree this paternalistic policies have failed.  Time for some tough love?


How about a different approach?  Break up the Arakun settlement.  Most of the trouble is caused, AIUI from the mixing of different tribes caused by their having been moved off their lands and lumped together.   Tribes which are inimical to one another don't make good neighbours it seems.

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Any solutions?  Cos all I see on the horizon is more paternalism and potential failure. 


See above.   Create separate settlements for each tribe, well separated.   


Yeah, settlements that has worked well.  No jobs, nothing to do and massively expensive.  More failure.


To Ozpolitic conservatives settlements is a euphemism for Gulags, concentration camps where the insoluble problems are concealed from society.

Isolated with minimal services on rocky land unwanted by pastoralists or mining companies, except that if valuable minerals are found the inhabitants will be transported to a less valuable Gulag.


Oooorrrrrr, you can accept that settlements and sit down money have failed.  History is a guide. 

And your solution or recommendations is...what chuckles?
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Reply #117 - May 26th, 2016 at 7:15pm
 
Secret Wars wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 7:05pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 7:02pm:
Secret Wars wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 6:57pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 6:49pm:
Secret Wars wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 6:44pm:
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I agree this paternalistic policies have failed.  Time for some tough love?


How about a different approach?  Break up the Arakun settlement.  Most of the trouble is caused, AIUI from the mixing of different tribes caused by their having been moved off their lands and lumped together.   Tribes which are inimical to one another don't make good neighbours it seems.

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Any solutions?  Cos all I see on the horizon is more paternalism and potential failure. 


See above.   Create separate settlements for each tribe, well separated.   


Yeah, settlements that has worked well.  No jobs, nothing to do and massively expensive.  More failure.


To Ozpolitic conservatives settlements is a euphemism for Gulags, concentration camps where the insoluble problems are concealed from society.

Isolated with minimal services on rocky land unwanted by pastoralists or mining companies, except that if valuable minerals are found the inhabitants will be transported to a less valuable Gulag.


Oooorrrrrr, you can accept that settlements and sit down money have failed.  History is a guide. 

And your solution or recommendations is...what chuckles?


Aboriginals have been fragmented, isolated and excluded from closet pom society.

Before any rational and reasonable solutions can be developed they have to be united. Those that want and can be included in closet pom society should be supported and encouraged. Those that don't want to be engaged in closet pom society should be allowed to create an alternative society they are comfortable with.
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Reply #118 - May 26th, 2016 at 7:26pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 7:15pm:
Aboriginals have been fragmented, isolated and excluded from closet pom society.

Before any rational and reasonable solutions can be developed they have to be united. Those that want and can be included in closet pom society should be supported and encouraged. Those that don't want to be engaged in closet pom society should be allowed to create an alternative society they are comfortable with.


I have no clue what a closet Pom society is.  If you mean supported and encouraged to get educated, get jobs, get houses then check.  Already happening. 

Those that don't want can create alternative society's if they like.  But who pays?  If the alternative society is living out in the bush with gubmint providing the housing and money then you have...a settlement. 

So your solution divorced from its emotive rhetoric is more of the same, the status quo. 

Congratulations. 
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Reply #119 - May 26th, 2016 at 7:31pm
 
Secret Wars wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 7:26pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 7:15pm:
Aboriginals have been fragmented, isolated and excluded from closet pom society.

Before any rational and reasonable solutions can be developed they have to be united. Those that want and can be included in closet pom society should be supported and encouraged. Those that don't want to be engaged in closet pom society should be allowed to create an alternative society they are comfortable with.


I have no clue what a closet Pom society is.  If you mean supported and encouraged to get educated, get jobs, get houses then check.  Already happening. 

Those that don't want can create alternative society's if they like.  But who pays?  If the alternative society is living out in the bush with gubmint providing the housing and money then you have...a settlement. 

So your solution divorced from its emotive rhetoric is more of the same, the status quo. 

Congratulations. 


You missed the point of unifying them instead of fragmenting them as all past governments have done.

All governments fear a unified Aboriginal society acting as one entity. Their power would be enormous.
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