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Re: Buy brand name mik and save the Farmers
Reply #30 - May 22^nd, 2016 at 6:36pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 22^nd, 2016 at 9:18am:

Low margins are a signal for the least efficient producers to leave the market. Interfering with the market never has a good outcome.

What bullshit.

What started this was the deregulation of dairy industry that saw all the small producers gone. Victoria dominated the market & that saw the dairy industry in QLD decimated.

Those feeling the pinch in Victoria now are milking up to 350 cows & that is no small operation.

Your rhetoric would see all dairies being mega dairies milking 500 to 1000 head and run by monopoly business interests.

You espouse socialist values in one breath & capitalist
dogma in another.

You are a charlatan.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52878 At my desk.	Re: Buy brand name mik and save the Farmers Reply #31 - May 22^nd, 2016 at 6:41pm Is there something wrong with 350 head in one operation? Do we really need to devote 1000 people to a task that 100 can do?
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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33306 Gender:	Re: Buy brand name mik and save the Farmers Reply #32 - May 22^nd, 2016 at 7:03pm WTF are you on about?
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Re: Buy brand name mik and save the Farmers
Reply #33 - May 22^nd, 2016 at 7:15pm

Gnads wrote on May 22^nd, 2016 at 6:23pm:

John Smith wrote on May 22^nd, 2016 at 8:46am:

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2016 at 9:45am:

Only 30c extra?

And how much do the farmers get out of that?

according to coles, all of it .... they have stated they will start a new line of 'home brand' milk from which they will forfeit ALL the profits to the farmer.

i think it's gimmick and won't last

I think you're right

Coles were a part of the problem with ripping off dairy farmers

now they are going to exploit the situation to make more money

and make out they are heroes in the process

Big Fail.

like I was saying in the farmers shooting themselves in the foot thread..

IT WAS/IS the farmers who caused this problem in the first place...

with their filthy greed..

THEY USED TO OWN THE FACTORIES..

why would you give them away???

for a quick buck?

only to ruin it for future generations?

oh wait.. that sounds so much like Australia in everything we do.. greedy damn rsoles loading up future generations with debt and a poisoned world where roundup falls from the sky with the rain...

oh wait.. that's already happening right now.. but never mind.. as long as cods in her ilk can kill a few weeds in her garden.. Roll Eyes

fair dinkum.. could the farmers be ay stupider if they tried??

Milk Companies are now floating on the market and have become public companies..

they are making all sorts of promises to their share holders in terms of profit...

when that profit doesn't happen (because they lied) they steal money from the farmers to give to the shareholders to appease them..

but it hasn't worked.. the share holders are now organising a class action to sue the company due to their lied forecasts..

what a mess..

by the way... I have little sympathy for these arrogant, short tempered, smart assed, smart mouthed poo eaters..

after working in the industry for 5 years one of the reasons I got out of it was because there were too many rsole farmers out numbering the good ones...

mind you.. it was always good to give the "bad" farmers C Tax the next time they came in and wanted something Wink

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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6492 Gender:	Re: Buy brand name mik and save the Farmers Reply #34 - May 22^nd, 2016 at 7:21pm @ Mech IT WAS/IS the farmers who caused this problem in the first place... Not if their export markets were destroyed by EU dumping in Asia
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Re: Buy brand name mik and save the Farmers
Reply #36 - May 23^rd, 2016 at 8:00am

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2016 at 7:33pm:

Gnads wrote on May 22^nd, 2016 at 7:03pm:

WTF are you on about?

Just trying to figure out what you are on about. Would you like to re-regulate the milk market? Tax milk as it crosses state borders?

When the industry was regulated milk wasn't expensive
but farmers were guaranteed a price.

When you keep using practices that reduce the number of suppliers & those suppliers have to become very large ........ then you head towards the industry being monopolised.

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Re: Buy brand name mik and save the Farmers
Reply #37 - May 23^rd, 2016 at 9:23am

Gnads wrote on May 23^rd, 2016 at 8:00am:

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2016 at 7:33pm:

Gnads wrote on May 22^nd, 2016 at 7:03pm:

WTF are you on about?

Just trying to figure out what you are on about. Would you like to re-regulate the milk market? Tax milk as it crosses state borders?

When the industry was regulated milk wasn't expensive
but farmers were guaranteed a price.

When you keep using practices that reduce the number of suppliers & those suppliers have to become very large ........ then you head towards the industry being monopolised.

That's called economies of scale.

The economics of farming is perverted by large numbers of people who do it for the lifestyle and others who do it only because their family has always farmed, not because they are good at it or highly productive.

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Re: Buy brand name mik and save the Farmers
Reply #38 - May 23^rd, 2016 at 9:40am

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 23^rd, 2016 at 9:23am:

Gnads wrote on May 23^rd, 2016 at 8:00am:

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2016 at 7:33pm:

Gnads wrote on May 22^nd, 2016 at 7:03pm:

WTF are you on about?

Just trying to figure out what you are on about. Would you like to re-regulate the milk market? Tax milk as it crosses state borders?

When the industry was regulated milk wasn't expensive
but farmers were guaranteed a price.

When you keep using practices that reduce the number of suppliers & those suppliers have to become very large ........ then you head towards the industry being monopolised.

That's called economies of scale.

The economics of farming is perverted by large numbers of people who do it for the lifestyle and others who do it only because their family has always farmed, not because they are good at it or highly productive.

Those people are very few & far between ... the changes in the industry saw paid to that ages ago.

The use of the word 'farming" is a generalisation for the many types of farming there are ...

Dairy Farming is the topic here.

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Re: Buy brand name mik and save the Farmers
Reply #39 - May 23^rd, 2016 at 12:21pm

Gnads wrote on May 23^rd, 2016 at 8:00am:

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2016 at 7:33pm:

Gnads wrote on May 22^nd, 2016 at 7:03pm:

WTF are you on about?

Just trying to figure out what you are on about. Would you like to re-regulate the milk market? Tax milk as it crosses state borders?

When the industry was regulated milk wasn't expensive
but farmers were guaranteed a price.

When you keep using practices that reduce the number of suppliers & those suppliers have to become very large ........ then you head towards the industry being monopolised.

Are you trying to suggest something, or just having a whinge?

Farming is at least risk of being monopolised. There are more dairy farmers in Australia than there are car manufacturers in the world, by a factor of at least 10.

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Re: Buy brand name mik and save the Farmers
Reply #40 - May 23^rd, 2016 at 12:49pm

freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2016 at 12:21pm:

Gnads wrote on May 23^rd, 2016 at 8:00am:

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2016 at 7:33pm:

Gnads wrote on May 22^nd, 2016 at 7:03pm:

WTF are you on about?

Just trying to figure out what you are on about. Would you like to re-regulate the milk market? Tax milk as it crosses state borders?

When the industry was regulated milk wasn't expensive
but farmers were guaranteed a price.

When you keep using practices that reduce the number of suppliers & those suppliers have to become very large ........ then you head towards the industry being monopolised.

Are you trying to suggest something, or just having a whinge?

Farming is at least risk of being monopolised. There are more dairy farmers in Australia than there are car manufacturers in the world, by a factor of at least 10.

Gnads needs some cheese with his whine.

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Re: Buy brand name mik and save the Farmers
Reply #41 - May 23^rd, 2016 at 12:49pm

You have rocks in your head

as if car manufacturers have anything to do with anything related to this topic

One might ask you what you're trying to suggest?

Have a look at the reductions since 1979.

And yes I'm having a whinge about the milk marketers & the major supermarkets screwing dairy farmers.

Just like they do to fruit & vegie suppliers.

You didn't have to be a Sherlock to work that out Roll Eyes

http://www.dairyaustralia.com.au/Markets-and-statistics/Farm-facts/Cows-and-Farm...

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Re: Buy brand name mik and save the Farmers
Reply #42 - May 23^rd, 2016 at 2:00pm

Just heard a dairy expert guy on ABC702 saying supermarket milk represents about 5% of total dairy production and buying cheap milk or expensive milk or giving the farmers a few pennies per liter for consumer milk makes SFA difference.

Most milk ends up as powder which is a global commodity.

So enjoy your 2 for $5 bottles of milk.

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Re: Buy brand name mik and save the Farmers
Reply #43 - May 23^rd, 2016 at 6:22pm

Now the mother f......g supermarkets are stacking their shelves with Home Brand milk and little of anything else.

Fight these bastards..Go to your servo or your local shop. Buy name brand milk don't let these a..holes win!

Fight them and help our Farmers. They will get sick of having to throw out stuff they can't sell!

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52878 At my desk.	Re: Buy brand name mik and save the Farmers Reply #44 - May 23^rd, 2016 at 6:26pm Gnads, can you turn your whinge into a suggestion or some kind of solution? Should we get a few percent of our adult population to devote themselves to hobby farms to get the numbers back up? Perhaps a few handouts might encourage them back into unproductive labour?
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