NORWEGIAN GOV’T. SEIZES 5 CHILDREN FROM PARENTS FOR ALLEGED ‘CHRISTIAN INDOCTRINATION’

Bondariu family not allowed to be Christian.

While allowing massive Muslim migration and introduction of Sharia law Norwegian government is preventing parents to give their children Christian education.

A Christian family in Norway has lost its appeal to have its children returned, after the government forcibly removed five children from their home. The public is reacting with outrage.

Marius Bodnariu, wife Ruth, former members of the Pentecostal Church in Bucharest, moved to Naustdal, 10 years ago, where they raised five children. As reported by Marius' brother Daniel, on November 16, Norway's child welfare services took away the Bodnarius' two oldest children, showing up at their school and removing them from class without their parents' knowledge. Police later that day arrived at the Bodnarius' home and also forcibly removed the two older boys, leaving Ruth with her three-month-old baby, who was taken away the following day by police as well.

Two days later, child welfare services notified the parents that their children were in the care of two separate foster families and were "integrating" well. One of the officials reportedly said to Ruth, "The kids don't even miss you. What kind of parents are you?" Marius and Ruth were later informed by the government that they were guilty of "Christian radicalism and indoctrination."

http://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/norwegian-govt.-seizes-5-children-fro...

Yes it's a dangerous world to be chrisrian. Much better off to be a Muslim or a gay/transgender atheist.
But if you're a child in Norway and your parents can't agree what sex you are, don't worry the state will decide for you.

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 12:48pm:


Can we accept their 18-40 y/o females as refugees instead of mono-brow burqa clad arabs?

Anything from a source not so clearly biased?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 1:58pm:


This is all I could find: The Washington Times

"The girls were interrogated at their school for two hours, saying they would occasionally hide from their dad for fear of being punished by spanking."

"One of the girls said her father shook the baby “as a rag” on one occasion, after Ezekiel removed his father’s glasses."

Something not right about this story.

You gotta wonder about the smacking school principal.

This nonsense started with HIM/HER.

Norwegian govt is part of the bizzaro world of the global left.

No but essentially what we have is not children being taken away due to religious reasons, but for suspected child abuse.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 3:10pm:



child abuse? the kid only admitted to a spanking (not child abuse) after hours of coaching. Barenvernet were called because the kids were overheard singing christian songs. At that time, there was no mention of spanking by anybody.

The Bodnariu family have since had all sorts of character witnesses and assessments from independent child psychologists and social workers, and all found the children were thriving and there was no evidence of mistreatment ... but the way Barnevernet works, that is inadmissible as evidence because they didn't work for Barnevernet

John Smith wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 3:47pm:


Norwegian law is absolute when it comes to corporal punishment, any form of 'physical correction' is illegal, no middle ground.

Utterly ridiculous

Look at Raven's previous post. A four month old, alert and engaging with her parents was "suffering psychological harm' because she wasn't making eye contact and the mother was 'depressed'

Sweet zombie Jesus

GordyL wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 5:28pm:



the sad part is that if you were in Norway and someone saw you do it, she would be .... and you'd have no rights whatsoever

GordyL wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 5:51pm:


yep. and even if the parents are cleared later on, there is still no guarantee you'll get your kids back

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 9:53pm:


Marius and Ruth were officially informed by the government that they were guilty of "Christian radicalism and indoctrination."
It is not only anti Christian but also anti human and anti family dictatorship act that only happened in fascist Germany and Stalin's Soviet Russia.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 9:53pm:


Huh?

Ohhhhh. You were joking.

My bad.

capitosinora wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 8:55am:


Makes you wonder what the authorities would do if only 1 parent was a Christian....and the other wasn't (in the above scenario).

I suppose these clowns would legally force a divorce 

capitosinora wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 12:24pm:

Norway does not look particularly hostile to religion:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Norway

The Evangelical Lutheran Church is still established and administered through a Government department. There is, however, an ever ongoing political debate on separation of church and state.[17] The state also supports religious aid organisations such as Norwegian Church Aid financially. Bishops are formally nominated by the Norwegian Monarch,[18] who is the head of the church, and clerical salaries and pensions regulated by law. Clergy train in the theological faculties of the University of Oslo and the University of Tromsø, as well as Misjonshøgskolen (School of Mission and Theology) in Stavanger and Menighetsfakultetet (MF Norwegian School of Theology) in Oslo. Menighetsfakultetet is by far the most important educational institution for the Norwegian clergy. Men and women can both become members of the clergy of the church. The church has two sacraments namely Baptism and Holy Communion.

In Norway as of 2013, 76.1% of the population are members of the Evangelical Lutheran Church as compared to 96% in the 1960s.[1] Kevin Boyle's 1997 global study of freedom of religion states that "Most members of the state church are not active adherents, except for the rituals of birth, confirmation, weddings, and burials. Some 3 per cent on average attend church on Sunday and 10 per cent on average attend church every month."[19]

Other religious groups operate freely and people are also free not to be affiliated with any religion or life stance. Approximately 13% are not members of any official religious or philosophical communities, while about 9% of the population are members of other religious or philosophical communities outside the Church of Norway. Roman Catholics and Muslims are each about 2.4% of the population and have been rising rapidly in numbers in recent years. About 1.7% of the population lists the Norwegian Humanist Association as a life stance instead of a religion. Orthodox, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists and Sikhs are present in very small numbers, together comprising less than 1 percent of the population.[3]

Religious education[edit]
In 2007, the European Court of Human Rights ruled in favor of Norwegian parents who had sued the Norwegian state. The case was about a subject in compulsory school, kristendomskunnskap med religions- og livssynsorientering (Teachings of Christianity with orientation about religion and philosophy), KRL. The applicants complained that the refusal to grant full exemption from KRL prevented them from ensuring that their children received an education in conformity with their atheist views and philosophical convictions. A few years earlier, in 2004, the UN Committee on Human Rights in Geneva had given its support to the parents.[21] In 2008 the subject was renamed to Religion, livssyn og etikk (Religion, philosophy and ethics).[22] The majority of this course is however still tied to Christianity. Philosophy and ethics are not properly introduced until after compulsory school. The largest Christian school in Norway has 1,400 pupils and 120 employees.[23] Kristne Friskolers Forbund is an interest group of approximately 130 Christian schools and colleges, including 12 Christian private schools.[24]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnevernet

Approximately 4000 people who were formerly taken into custody by Child Welfare Services have sought compensation for suffering and abuse while living in orphanages or child protection between 1945 and 1980. Of these, 2637 have received compensation, in total $220 million (2010).[3][4]

Bhattacharya children[edit]
The service has been severely criticized by the Government of India for taking away two children of an Indian couple who were working in Norway.[5][6] Berit Aarset, who heads Human Rights Alert, Norway, has called the incident "state kidnapping". She says, "This is not the first time such a thing is happening in Norway ...the legal system favours the Child Welfare Services and they do what they want all the time... quite often when a Norwegian is married to a non-Norwegian they also do the same thing; they also do this to asylum seekers and in almost every case they say one of the parents have a mental problem just to make their case strong ...that is what has happened in the Bhattacharya case too."[7] The case of the Bhattacharya children involved Norway's foreign minister (Jonas Gahr Støre) meeting with a special envoy from India in 2012.[8]

Rutkowski kidnappings[edit]
In two widely publicized cases, the Polish private investigator Krzysztof Rutkowski has helped children (a Russian-born boy and a Polish girl) escape Norwegian foster care and reunite with their parents.[9] Later Norwegian authorities claim for return of the children has been declined by Polish court as unjustified.[10]

Michalák case[edit]
In May 2011, the two sons of Eva Michaláková and husband who originate from the Czech Republic were removed by the Child Welfare Services due to suspicion of child sexual abuse by the father; allegations denied by the couple.[11] Michaláková has since divorced her husband and continues to reside in Norway.

Michaláková continues to pursue custody of her children through various channels, including the European Court of Human Rights where her complaint was rejected without prejudice for non-exhaustion of domestic remedies.[12] The case has been discussed by Miloš Zeman president of the Czech republic,[13] in the Chamber of Deputies of the Parliament of the Czech Republic, and the foreign minister Lubomír Zaorálek has sent a diplomatic note to Oslo regarding the matter.[14] On January 20, 2015, the Norwegian Embassy in Prague published a press release explaining the Norwegian official diplomatic position on the Michalák case.[15] Several other politicians also got involved in efforts to get the children of Eva Michaláková back to their mother. The first Czech politician to do so was deputy Jitka Chalánková (TOP 09).[16] Since November 2014 also two Czech MEPs Tomáš Zdechovský and Petr Mach have got involved in this case.[17] Norway is not a party to the 1996 Hague Convention on Parental Responsibility and Protection of Children, however the government is in the process of its ratification.[citation needed]

Bodnariu family[edit]
Main article: Bodnariu case
In November 2015, a new case arose to public attention involving children of foreign nationals being removed from custody by Barnevernet. Marius and Ruth Bodnariu, a Romanian-Norwegian couple of Pentecostal faith are accused of using physical discipline against their children.[18]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodnariu_case

Under Norwegian law, authorities are obliged to respect both the children’s and the parents' right to privacy. Therefore, Barnevernet has not made details about the case public.

It also leaves visible bruises.

freediver wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 6:11pm:



there are a lot more cases of abuse of power out there .... one guy lost his kids because he'd gotten caught smoking a joint 10 years earlier ...

If anyone is interested in this case, the BBC gives a decent account of it on here

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36026458

the most telling part I found in that story was

Most cases now don't involve parental violence, though, or alcohol- or drug-abuse. The commonest reason for a care order now is simply "lack of parenting skills".

friggen ell, I'm the first to admit I have a 'lack of parenting skill

Raven wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 8:57pm:



i thought most are atheist .

I'm not sure of how, but I've been told that Norway's religious institutions are a form of govt. investment ... the Norweign govt. actually makes a return on it's churches

There we go - another atheist who wants to bring back the dark ages. We had a thread about stealing children from religious people a while back. Anyone remember the name of it?

Quote:


Not sure about profits, but they do have a state run church, which the vast majority officially belong to. Oddly enough, they also have complete religious freedom, apparently.

Raven wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 8:57pm:

That's true but majority of them are protestants. The Bodnariu family are Orthodox Christians.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on May 21^st, 2016 at 5:03pm:


womens rights 

If anyone is interested in this, watch Dateline Next Tuesday, 9.30pm on SBS

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 5:30pm:


Thanks, I'll watch it if I have time after 'The night of' which is a great series. The Paki dunnit BTW.

I felt that SBS took the easy route ... there was a lot more worse cases they could have gotten into but didn't.

Although I'm not sure if that was SBS's choice or the people involved refused to be interviewed.  Barnevernet is threatening to withhold the kids for longer if parents post on social media or comment to the media.  Still, lets hope Barnevernet makes some changes and cleans up its act.

Gordon wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 10:35pm:


Wife is convinced it was ... she was talking to one of the producers about it yesterday.