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GordyL Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4365 Hate Town Gender:	Islam vs Secularism Apr 26^th, 2016 at 9:09am Are they the same, or different?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 143938 Gender:	Re: Islam vs Secularism Reply #1 - Apr 26^th, 2016 at 9:39am Islamophobia vs Astounding Ignorance Are they the same, or different?
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GordyL Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4365 Hate Town Gender:	Re: Islam vs Secularism Reply #2 - Apr 26^th, 2016 at 11:46am greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26^th, 2016 at 9:39am: Islamophobia vs Astounding Ignorance Are they the same, or different? Did you know some apostate Muslims ae called Islamophobic by other Muslims. How bizzare!
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Reply #3 - Apr 26^th, 2016 at 11:49am

GordyL wrote on Apr 26^th, 2016 at 11:46am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26^th, 2016 at 9:39am:

Islamophobia vs Astounding Ignorance

Are they the same, or different?

Did you know some apostate Muslims ae called Islamophobic by other Muslims.

How bizzare!

Not really bizarre.

Astounding ignorance exists everywhere, even in religion.

In some cases, especially in religion.

Look at ian, for example, and his belief in Scientology.

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Reply #4 - Apr 26^th, 2016 at 12:03pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26^th, 2016 at 11:49am:

GordyL wrote on Apr 26^th, 2016 at 11:46am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26^th, 2016 at 9:39am:

Islamophobia vs Astounding Ignorance

Are they the same, or different?

Did you know some apostate Muslims ae called Islamophobic by other Muslims.

How bizzare!

Not really bizarre.

Astounding ignorance exists everywhere, even in religion.

In some cases, especially in religion.

Look at ian, for example, and his belief in Scientology.

At least there's only 25000 of the silly buggers in the world, 2000 odd in Australia.

I've never heard anyone called a raciest or xyz_phobic for criticizing Scientology. I think both religions are equally a big load of rotting pustulous bullcrap.

If there were 100x the amount of Scientologists in Australia, I'd be posting about their nonsense every day.

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Reply #5 - Apr 26^th, 2016 at 12:12pm

GordyL wrote on Apr 26^th, 2016 at 12:03pm:

I've never heard anyone called a raciest or xyz_phobic for criticizing Scientology. I think both religions are equally a big load of rotting pustulous bullcrap.

So do I, but I don't have an irrational fear or hatred of either of them.

Their religions are silly, but I live and let live.

I'm tolerant.

Islamophobes are intolerant.

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Reply #6 - Apr 26^th, 2016 at 12:14pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26^th, 2016 at 12:12pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 26^th, 2016 at 12:03pm:

I've never heard anyone called a raciest or xyz_phobic for criticizing Scientology. I think both religions are equally a big load of rotting pustulous bullcrap.

So do I, but I don't have an irrational fear or hatred of either of them.

Their religions are silly, but I live and let live.

I'm tolerant.

Islamophobes are intolerant.

Do you think there is a fair bit of intolerance within Islam?

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Reply #7 - Apr 26^th, 2016 at 12:15pm

GordyL wrote on Apr 26^th, 2016 at 12:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26^th, 2016 at 12:12pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 26^th, 2016 at 12:03pm:

I've never heard anyone called a raciest or xyz_phobic for criticizing Scientology. I think both religions are equally a big load of rotting pustulous bullcrap.

So do I, but I don't have an irrational fear or hatred of either of them.

Their religions are silly, but I live and let live.

I'm tolerant.

Islamophobes are intolerant.

Do you think there is a fair bit of intolerance within Islam?

Absolutely.

All religions have a fair bit of intolerance.

That's no reason for me to hate or fear every Scientologist, Christian, or Muslim on earth, though.

I just choose not to join their religion, and continue to live and let live.

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Reply #8 - Apr 26^th, 2016 at 1:59pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26^th, 2016 at 12:15pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 26^th, 2016 at 12:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26^th, 2016 at 12:12pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 26^th, 2016 at 12:03pm:

I've never heard anyone called a raciest or xyz_phobic for criticizing Scientology. I think both religions are equally a big load of rotting pustulous bullcrap.

So do I, but I don't have an irrational fear or hatred of either of them.

Their religions are silly, but I live and let live.

I'm tolerant.

Islamophobes are intolerant.

Do you think there is a fair bit of intolerance within Islam?

Absolutely.

All religions have a fair bit of intolerance.

That's no reason for me to hate or fear every Scientologist, Christian, or Muslim on earth, though.

I just choose not to join their religion, and continue to live and let live.

Look if you prefer the ISIS style burning man over a secular celebration of hedonism and art, that's fine.

Different strokes....

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Reply #9 - Apr 26^th, 2016 at 2:02pm

GordyL wrote on Apr 26^th, 2016 at 1:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26^th, 2016 at 12:15pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 26^th, 2016 at 12:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26^th, 2016 at 12:12pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 26^th, 2016 at 12:03pm:

I've never heard anyone called a raciest or xyz_phobic for criticizing Scientology. I think both religions are equally a big load of rotting pustulous bullcrap.

So do I, but I don't have an irrational fear or hatred of either of them.

Their religions are silly, but I live and let live.

I'm tolerant.

Islamophobes are intolerant.

Do you think there is a fair bit of intolerance within Islam?

Absolutely.

All religions have a fair bit of intolerance.

That's no reason for me to hate or fear every Scientologist, Christian, or Muslim on earth, though.

I just choose not to join their religion, and continue to live and let live.

Look if you prefer the ISIS style burning man over a secular celebration of hedonism and art, that's fine.

Different strokes....

I prefer secular celebrations.

I've made that crystal clear:

Gordy: "I think both religions are equally a big load of rotting pustulous bullcrap."

Greg: "So do I".

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Reply #10 - Apr 26^th, 2016 at 4:41pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26^th, 2016 at 2:02pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 26^th, 2016 at 1:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26^th, 2016 at 12:15pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 26^th, 2016 at 12:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26^th, 2016 at 12:12pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 26^th, 2016 at 12:03pm:

I've never heard anyone called a raciest or xyz_phobic for criticizing Scientology. I think both religions are equally a big load of rotting pustulous bullcrap.

So do I, but I don't have an irrational fear or hatred of either of them.

Their religions are silly, but I live and let live.

I'm tolerant.

Islamophobes are intolerant.

Do you think there is a fair bit of intolerance within Islam?

Absolutely.

All religions have a fair bit of intolerance.

That's no reason for me to hate or fear every Scientologist, Christian, or Muslim on earth, though.

I just choose not to join their religion, and continue to live and let live.

Look if you prefer the ISIS style burning man over a secular celebration of hedonism and art, that's fine.

Different strokes....

I prefer secular celebrations.

I've made that crystal clear:

Gordy: "I think both religions are equally a big load of rotting pustulous bullcrap."

Greg: "So do I".

I'm sure we have some overlapping views but a very different approach on how to actually deal with them.

I believe Australia should be promoted as a secular immigration destination.

Please bring your yummy food, interesting dances, world music. If you want to wear your burqa or hijab on a cultural holiday, splendid.

But just know there will be no space made for your sky-daddery nonsense. If that doesn't suit you, put a map of the world on your wall and you'll find more than enough places to accommodate your beliefs.

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Reply #11 - Apr 26^th, 2016 at 5:23pm

GordyL wrote on Apr 26^th, 2016 at 4:41pm:

I believe Australia should be promoted as a secular immigration destination.

Please bring your yummy food, interesting dances, world music. If you want to wear your burqa or hijab on a cultural holiday, splendid.

But just know there will be no space made for your sky-daddery nonsense. If that doesn't suit you, put a map of the world on your wall and you'll find more than enough places to accommodate your beliefs.

I'm fine with that, as long as it applies to all religions.

Agreed?

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Reply #12 - Apr 26^th, 2016 at 5:51pm

GordyL wrote on Apr 26^th, 2016 at 4:41pm:

I believe Australia should be promoted as a secular immigration destination.

I don't believe Australia should be promoted as an anything immigration destination.

We've had decades in a growth phase, but there has been no consolidation phase.

How do you think another coupla million people, no matter what race or religion, will positively impact your life?

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Reply #13 - Apr 26^th, 2016 at 6:10pm

... wrote on Apr 26^th, 2016 at 5:51pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 26^th, 2016 at 4:41pm:

I believe Australia should be promoted as a secular immigration destination.

I don't believe Australia should be promoted as an anything immigration destination.

We've had decades in a growth phase, but there has been no consolidation phase.

How do you think another coupla million people, no matter what race or religion, will positively impact your life?

I'll correct my wording and say we should be 'known' as a secular immigration destination. I'm very much in the sustainable population camp.

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Reply #14 - Apr 26^th, 2016 at 6:11pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26^th, 2016 at 5:23pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 26^th, 2016 at 4:41pm:

I believe Australia should be promoted as a secular immigration destination.

Please bring your yummy food, interesting dances, world music. If you want to wear your burqa or hijab on a cultural holiday, splendid.

But just know there will be no space made for your sky-daddery nonsense. If that doesn't suit you, put a map of the world on your wall and you'll find more than enough places to accommodate your beliefs.

I'm fine with that, as long as it applies to all religions.

Agreed?

Absolutely.

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