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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Stan Grant Reply #15 - Apr 16^th, 2016 at 6:03pm President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 6:00pm: I remember when stan grant used to be white.. He purchased a tanning bed to get in touch with his aboriginality.
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Reply #16 - Apr 16^th, 2016 at 8:52pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 6:00pm:

I remember when stan grant used to be white..

Was that when you were blissfully ignorant to his heritage.

Pretty sure his first wife was aboriginal and a news presenter for NITV. Don't quote me but fairly certain.

Anyway some comments on here make me realise why we need to continue to support these people. It seems a conservative mindset is shallow on everything. True. Cheesy

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Webtoad Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 266 Gender:	Re: Stan Grant Reply #17 - Apr 16^th, 2016 at 8:59pm If we can have a referendum on this then we can also have a referendum on the introduction of homosexual marriage.
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Reply #18 - Apr 16^th, 2016 at 9:02pm

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Mr Grant started considering a run for Parliament after the overwhelming response to a speech on racism he gave last year.

In the speech delivered at the IQ2 Racism Debate in October, Grant declared that racism is "killing the Australian dream".

The speech found its way online and quickly went viral on social media, attracting comparisons to Martin Luther King.

He should get out more. Get on a Sydney train - check out the colour of the passengers ... then get off the train anywhere in the Sydney area and count the number of Darkies and Orientals compared to the whites.

Grant is blowing it out his black arse.

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Stan Grant Reply #19 - Apr 16^th, 2016 at 9:04pm Webtoad wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 8:59pm: If we can have a referendum on this then we can also have a referendum on the introduction of homosexual marriage. There's nothing stopping you now from putting your ring on his finger ...
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boxy Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 400 Gender:	Re: Stan Grant Reply #20 - Apr 16^th, 2016 at 9:08pm Oh the humanity! Appointing someone who represents one of the major stakeholders in the referendum topic to a committee designed to prepare it Meh, committees are notoriously bad at getting referendums up. It's like they deliberately design them to fail.
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Reply #21 - Apr 17^th, 2016 at 6:50am

there is a path forward for aborigines and it is the same path as for every human on the planet.
the path of higher consciousness.

eat good food
take physical exercise
have a mission in life bigger then yourself
take the "positivity challenge"...everything negative that happens...quickly reframe it as a positive.
read good books
get good positive mentors
if a friend or relative is negative ....cut them.
mediate for 20 minutes a day
approach everything with a spirit of contribution.

This will be a very hard road for the aboriginal.

poor nutrition makes it hard to concentrate
alcohol makes it hard to focus.
the philosophy of the fellow aboriginal tends to be negative
the philosophy of the white establishment tends to be that of pitying the aboriginal rather then encouraging and challenging the aboriginal.
there is little emotional mastery, there is a lot of anger and fearfulness....you suffer doubly thru this....firstly who wants to feel angry and fearful, secondly, you cant achieve much when your emotions are negative and neurotic.
literacy is low , so reading great books is hard.
the few aboriginals who have succeeded do not seem good mentors.
stan grant and adam goodes for example are successful.
why are they not spreading a positive message of encouragement and challenge.
they continue the cry baby narrative and , in what way could this possibly be inspirational to someone who is already in a very very difficult position.

the whole psychology and philosophy from those charged with helping aboriginals is toxic, negative and unhelpful.

young aboriginals would do well to be raised by caring white cattlemen in the Northern Terrotory where they will be challenged, stimulated, taught, inspired and build self esteem.

they will certainly continue to suffer under the guidance of low consciousness white and black cry babies

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Reply #22 - Apr 17^th, 2016 at 7:26am

aquascoot wrote on Apr 17^th, 2016 at 6:50am:

there is a path forward for aborigines and it is the same path as for every human on the planet.
the path of higher consciousness.

eat good food
take physical exercise
have a mission in life bigger then yourself
take the "positivity challenge"...everything negative that happens...quickly reframe it as a positive.
read good books
get good positive mentors
if a friend or relative is negative ....cut them.
mediate for 20 minutes a day
approach everything with a spirit of contribution.

This will be a very hard road for the aboriginal.

poor nutrition makes it hard to concentrate
alcohol makes it hard to focus.
the philosophy of the fellow aboriginal tends to be negative
the philosophy of the white establishment tends to be that of pitying the aboriginal rather then encouraging and challenging the aboriginal.
there is little emotional mastery, there is a lot of anger and fearfulness....you suffer doubly thru this....firstly who wants to feel angry and fearful, secondly, you cant achieve much when your emotions are negative and neurotic.
literacy is low , so reading great books is hard.
the few aboriginals who have succeeded do not seem good mentors.
stan grant and adam goodes for example are successful.
why are they not spreading a positive message of encouragement and challenge.
they continue the cry baby narrative and , in what way could this possibly be inspirational to someone who is already in a very very difficult position.

the whole psychology and philosophy from those charged with helping aboriginals is toxic, negative and unhelpful.

young aboriginals would do well to be raised by caring white cattlemen in the Northern Terrotory where they will be challenged, stimulated, taught, inspired and build self esteem.

they will certainly continue to suffer under the guidance of low consciousness white and black cry babies

excellent thread..

and it would be great for them to be taken out of their alcohol fuelled cesspits and into care of work, learning and self pride..

but we'd then get the leftist scum "crying" about a "stolen" generation.. Roll Eyes

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Reply #23 - Apr 17^th, 2016 at 7:48am

aquascoot wrote on Apr 17^th, 2016 at 6:50am:

there is a path forward for aborigines and it is the same path as for every human on the planet.
the path of higher consciousness.

eat good food
take physical exercise
have a mission in life bigger then yourself
take the "positivity challenge"...everything negative that happens...quickly reframe it as a positive.
read good books
get good positive mentors
if a friend or relative is negative ....cut them.
mediate for 20 minutes a day
approach everything with a spirit of contribution.

This will be a very hard road for the aboriginal.

poor nutrition makes it hard to concentrate
alcohol makes it hard to focus.
the philosophy of the fellow aboriginal tends to be negative
the philosophy of the white establishment tends to be that of pitying the aboriginal rather then encouraging and challenging the aboriginal.
there is little emotional mastery, there is a lot of anger and fearfulness....you suffer doubly thru this....firstly who wants to feel angry and fearful, secondly, you cant achieve much when your emotions are negative and neurotic.
literacy is low , so reading great books is hard.
the few aboriginals who have succeeded do not seem good mentors.
stan grant and adam goodes for example are successful.
why are they not spreading a positive message of encouragement and challenge.
they continue the cry baby narrative and , in what way could this possibly be inspirational to someone who is already in a very very difficult position.

the whole psychology and philosophy from those charged with helping aboriginals is toxic, negative and unhelpful.

young aboriginals would do well to be raised by caring white cattlemen in the Northern Terrotory where they will be challenged, stimulated, taught, inspired and build self esteem.

they will certainly continue to suffer under the guidance of low consciousness white and black cry babies

Ah yes, all those things they had prior to 1788. Gee I wonder what happened? Citizenship rights came about in 1967. So for close to 200 years up until 40 odd years ago they had little rights. Segregation was still alive and well into the 70's. They were restricted from using their language, cultural practices and placed on missions and reserves without any option to leave for most of that 200 years. They were given 2nd grade education if any at all etc etc, and you still wonder why there are challenges with these people. The good news is since 1967 (40 odd years) I'd heard that there have been about 30 000 university graduates, possibly more. There is not much more we can expect in such a short period time and attempts to break cycles that have been deeply ingrained due to our government's restrictions on these people.

By the way, it wasn't you or I that caused this mess and no we shouldn't feel responsible, but we can make a positive constributions by being informed.

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Reply #24 - Apr 17^th, 2016 at 8:05am

Honest Joe wrote on Apr 17^th, 2016 at 7:48am:

aquascoot wrote on Apr 17^th, 2016 at 6:50am:

there is a path forward for aborigines and it is the same path as for every human on the planet.
the path of higher consciousness.

eat good food
take physical exercise
have a mission in life bigger then yourself
take the "positivity challenge"...everything negative that happens...quickly reframe it as a positive.
read good books
get good positive mentors
if a friend or relative is negative ....cut them.
mediate for 20 minutes a day
approach everything with a spirit of contribution.

This will be a very hard road for the aboriginal.

poor nutrition makes it hard to concentrate
alcohol makes it hard to focus.
the philosophy of the fellow aboriginal tends to be negative
the philosophy of the white establishment tends to be that of pitying the aboriginal rather then encouraging and challenging the aboriginal.
there is little emotional mastery, there is a lot of anger and fearfulness....you suffer doubly thru this....firstly who wants to feel angry and fearful, secondly, you cant achieve much when your emotions are negative and neurotic.
literacy is low , so reading great books is hard.
the few aboriginals who have succeeded do not seem good mentors.
stan grant and adam goodes for example are successful.
why are they not spreading a positive message of encouragement and challenge.
they continue the cry baby narrative and , in what way could this possibly be inspirational to someone who is already in a very very difficult position.

the whole psychology and philosophy from those charged with helping aboriginals is toxic, negative and unhelpful.

young aboriginals would do well to be raised by caring white cattlemen in the Northern Terrotory where they will be challenged, stimulated, taught, inspired and build self esteem.

they will certainly continue to suffer under the guidance of low consciousness white and black cry babies

Ah yes, all those things they had prior to 1788. Gee I wonder what happened? Citizenship rights came about in 1967. So for close to 200 years up until 40 odd years ago they had little rights. Segregation was still alive and well into the 70's. They were restricted from using their language, cultural practices and placed on missions and reserves without any option to leave for most of that 200 years. They were given 2nd grade education if any at all etc etc, and you still wonder why there are challenges with these people. The good news is since 1967 (40 odd years) I'd heard that there have been about 30 000 university graduates, possibly more. There is not much more we can expect in such a short period time and attempts to break cycles that have been deeply ingrained due to our government's restrictions on these people.

By the way, it wasn't you or I that caused this mess and no we shouldn't feel responsible, but we can make a positive constributions by being informed.

dear Honest Joe.
i had the misfortune to be in central Qld when the labor premier, the honourable Wayne Goss , opened the community alcohol distribution centre in Wurrabinda...previously dry (a large community west of rcokhampton). You can go there and see the commemorative bronze plaque on the wall. as you walk about the community you will see a scene of third world squalor .

The honorable Joh Bjelke Petersen allowed the baptist mission to run the community at Hopevale near cairns.(a very positive joyful place with lots of signing and good emotions at that time)
It was a dry community until the labor government also established grog outlets in a spirit of "equality".(now its a place that feels evil)

The local high school to hopevale (Yarabah) has nearly 1500 aboriginal students.
Last year, the dux of this high school , was unable to pass the enrolment test to get a job at cairns Mcdonalds.

30,000 university students????.... i will gaurantee you these are white folk with 1/8 or 1/16 aboriginal heritage who identified as aboriginal to access the "aboriginal welfare"gravy that should be given to the communities.

We must face the fact that 100 billion dollars of leftard canberra spending and lots of hand wringing and futile symbolic BS (thanking the traditional owners seems to be in vogue at even whitey school assemblies) has contributed not ONE thing to the advancement of aboriginals. In fact, the communities are a disgraceful hot bed of fetal alcohol syndrome, sexual violence, sexually transmitted disease, obesity and woeful nutrition and a totally negative mindset.

The aborigine is a natural cattleman and worker of the land. We have enormous opportunities to sell beef to a burgeoning asian middle class. Stick your university and leftard "out of touch " BS up your jumper .
Let the people who really know the aborigine help the aborigine (rural folk).

Lefty city intellectuals from the green and labor party should stick to what they know best....dinner parties, watching the mardi gras on SBS and fretting about palestinians Wink

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Reply #25 - Apr 17^th, 2016 at 8:49am

Its time wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 12:44pm:

Here is the story so you don't have to guess what it is Bogarde is to lazy to post up Cheesy

Popular broadcaster Stan Grant will help lead the nation towards the constitutional recognition of Indigenous people.

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull and Opposition Leader Bill Shorten have appointed Mr Grant, a Wiradjuri man and award-winning reporter, to the Referendum Council on constitutional recognition.

Mr Grant will replace Indigenous leader Patrick Dodson, who has resigned to enter the Senate for Labor.

Stan Grant will advise Malcolm Turnbull and Bill Shorten on a referendum to recognise Indigenous people in the constitution
Stan Grant will advise Malcolm Turnbull and Bill Shorten on a referendum to recognise Indigenous people in the constitution Photo: Kathy Luu

Mr Turnbull and Mr Shorten will announce the appointment in a rare joint press release, Fairfax Media can reveal.

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"Mr Grant's extensive experience and commitment to constitutional recognition and Indigenous affairs will be invaluable in the role as a member of the Referendum Council," the leaders will say.

The council was established last year to lead national consultations and advise the government on how best to proceed with the planned referendum to maximise its chances for success.

Malcolm Turnbull was moved to tears during a recent interview with Stan Grant.
Malcolm Turnbull was moved to tears during a recent interview with Stan Grant. Photo: The Point, NITV

Other members of the council include Indigenous leaders Mick Gooda, Noel Pearson and Galarrwuy Yunupingu. It also includes former politicians such as Amanda Vanstone, Kristina Keneally and Natasha Stott Despoja.

The appointment comes two months after Mr Grant revealed he was considering a career in politics.

It's understood he has had discussions with both the Liberal and Labor parties but is yet to decide whether to run for preselection for either side. He has said he is not "ideologically bound to the left".

He was reportedly approached to run for Liberal preselection in the marginal Labor seat of Parramatta. He publicly ruled out running for the Nationals after being approached by Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce.

Mr Grant started considering a run for Parliament after the overwhelming response to a speech on racism he gave last year.

In the speech delivered at the IQ2 Racism Debate in October, Grant declared that racism is "killing the Australian dream".

The speech found its way online and quickly went viral on social media, attracting comparisons to Martin Luther King.

"The Australian dream - we sing of it and we recite it in verse: 'Australians all let us rejoice for we are young and free'," he said in the speech.

"But my people die young in this country - we die 10 years younger than average Australians - and we are far from free."

Mr Grant has worked as a political reporter, news anchor and foreign correspondent over his illustrious 30-year career. The Walkley Award-winner currently works for Sky News, NITV and the Guardian Australia.

Read more:http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/stan-grant-to-advise-malco...
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Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people have all the same rights as other people in Australia. Segregation ended decades ago. Per person, ATSI people get considerably more government funding than any other group. So if we're going to specifically recognise ATSI people in the Constitution, then we should do the same for Anglo, Asian, Lebanese, Italian, Greek, Chinese and all other groups of Australian citizens.

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Reply #26 - Apr 17^th, 2016 at 10:58am

dear Honest Joe.
i had the misfortune to be in central Qld when the labor premier, the honourable Wayne Goss , opened the community alcohol distribution centre in Wurrabinda...previously dry (a large community west of rcokhampton). You can go there and see the commemorative bronze plaque on the wall. as you walk about the community you will see a scene of third world squalor .

The honorable Joh Bjelke Petersen allowed the baptist mission to run the community at Hopevale near cairns.(a very positive joyful place with lots of signing and good emotions at that time)
It was a dry community until the labor government also established grog outlets in a spirit of "equality".(now its a place that feels evil)

The local high school to hopevale (Yarabah) has nearly 1500 aboriginal students.
Last year, the dux of this high school , was unable to pass the enrolment test to get a job at cairns Mcdonalds.

30,000 university students????.... i will gaurantee you these are white folk with 1/8 or 1/16 aboriginal heritage who identified as aboriginal to access the "aboriginal welfare"gravy that should be given to the communities.

We must face the fact that 100 billion dollars of leftard canberra spending and lots of hand wringing and futile symbolic BS (thanking the traditional owners seems to be in vogue at even whitey school assemblies) has contributed not ONE thing to the advancement of aboriginals. In fact, the communities are a disgraceful hot bed of fetal alcohol syndrome, sexual violence, sexually transmitted disease, obesity and woeful nutrition and a totally negative mindset.

The aborigine is a natural cattleman and worker of the land. We have enormous opportunities to sell beef to a burgeoning asian middle class. Stick your university and leftard "out of touch " BS up your jumper .
Let the people who really know the aborigine help the aborigine (rural folk).

Lefty city intellectuals from the green and labor party should stick to what they know best....dinner parties, watching the mardi gras on SBS and fretting about palestinians Wink

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I think most people who are negative about this issue care and people who aren't also care. The difference is seeing the issues so differently.

The damage was done due to draconian policies that restricted these people from functioning under their traditional practices and denial of functioning in western society, but more importantly the ability to transition freely. You are talking about generations upon generations of denial and rejection of a whole collective group of people. There is going to be pain coming out of paternalistic care.
The problem is like many other political issues, is that aboriginal affairs is a political toy.

As for those people who you distinguish as having varying levels of aboriginal blood is that they are from aboriginal heritage and ancestory goes back 80k years despite the shallow idea of grading people based on blood. We identify ourselves by nationalism and generally not strong race connections.

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Reply #27 - Apr 17^th, 2016 at 1:00pm

Joe,

they just arent that smart.
They , therefore, need good leadership.
What the lefties would call my "paternalistic' attitude, i would call helping out people who are struggling.

loons in canberra who think that the way to measure success is to see how many aboriginals go to uni are totally missing the point and being mischievious.

Of course, if you get a lot of white people with a small percentage of aboriginal blood and let them call themselves aboriginal, then they might go to uni and get a degree. then you can jump up in parliament and brag about how under your policies , more and more aboriginals are succeeding .

it is a load of BS.

it does nothing for the aboriginals , the "real" aboriginals , in the bush.

they aint going to uni my friend.

can they still lead a rich happy and successful life?

damm straight they can, working in the bush , getting in touch with animals and nature and the climate and going walkabout .

It is "cruel and unusual punishment" to put an aborigine in redfern. I cant stand inner city vibe and i'm white.
the lefties need to leave aboriginal welfare to the alpha whites in the bush who approach the issue with a spirit of contribution and want to "help" them, not "use" them to boost their own egoic state

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Reply #29 - Apr 17^th, 2016 at 2:44pm

aquascoot wrote on Apr 17^th, 2016 at 1:00pm:

Joe,

they just arent that smart.
They , therefore, need good leadership.
What the lefties would call my "paternalistic' attitude, i would call helping out people who are struggling.

loons in canberra who think that the way to measure success is to see how many aboriginals go to uni are totally missing the point and being mischievious.

Of course, if you get a lot of white people with a small percentage of aboriginal blood and let them call themselves aboriginal, then they might go to uni and get a degree. then you can jump up in parliament and brag about how under your policies , more and more aboriginals are succeeding .

it is a load of BS.

it does nothing for the aboriginals , the "real" aboriginals , in the bush.

they aint going to uni my friend.

can they still lead a rich happy and successful life?

damm straight they can, working in the bush , getting in touch with animals and nature and the climate and going walkabout .

It is "cruel and unusual punishment" to put an aborigine in redfern. I cant stand inner city vibe and i'm white.
the lefties need to leave aboriginal welfare to the alpha whites in the bush who approach the issue with a spirit of contribution and want to "help" them, not "use" them to boost their own egoic state

That's a huge call to say they aren't real smart. Take a look back at the traditional setting.

Lived in Australia 80k years or longer. It was a socialistic society of living with nature. Blood lines were pure, which meant no deformities etc. The common cold was non existent. So strict guidelines for marriage were established. There were never battles for territory, everyone had a place in maintaining and nurturing their place of connection. Trees were never cut down or destroyed and animals were never killed off. There was a season for everything, which were strictly obeyed by lore.
No one had personal ownership, everything was shared. Population was controlled in relation to natural food and water supplies. There is evidence and anecdote that men cut themselves to ensure wives would not become pregnant.

They survived for that long in relative harmony and keeping their place in pristine condition and you say they aren't smart.

What you are measuring against are your own values in terms of intelligence. You probably think because we built mud huts and made Ricketty old boats 200 years ago that we were somehow smarter. Aborigines aren't motivated by what motivates us. Things have changed as a consequence of messing with the fabric of their society, but suggesting they're not smart is a bold egotistical statement. I have a university degree but certainly would not classify myself smarter than billy bob down the road who cleans for a living. I may have a big boat and a flash house but just because he lives in a little flat doesn't not mean I'm smarter. It mostly means I have different values.

Step off your high horse I say. You don't have to put others down to feel good about yourself. This is partly why our world is gone mad.

On identity.....I have a mixture of European blood lines and could have some form of black lineage (negoid anyway) somewhere and you may have too. Who bloody knows. I identify as an Australian. My family migrated from the good old mother land a few generations back. Identity is not just the colour of your skin, it encapsulates everything about you including values, practices and general sense of connection. To say someone is not an aborigine based on the colour of skin is one of the most superficial lines I hear from people who need something or someone to measure against to make them feel good about themselves.

Hey, I was as ignorant as anyone until I figured something didn't make sense regarding these people and I certainly didn't want to draw conclusions from the shallow pool of knowledge that I see here.

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