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Are Muslim suicide bombers insane?
Apr 5th, 2016 at 12:58pm
 
Thought this would make an interesting topic.

Surely anyone who could detonate a bomb in a crowd and indiscriminately kill innocents, woman and children MUST be insane.

It would be an insane thought for
me
to go 'over the top' at The Neck and rush the machine guns to certain death.
Insane for me to do it because I haven't been indoctrinated into the cause or desensitized to dying and I have a broader view that shows me the futility of it.

Were the Diggers really INSANE to do so?

So what would it take for someone to blow themselves up in a school?

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Reply #1 - Apr 5th, 2016 at 2:36pm
 
First off we have to work out what is a muslims who are the best of them?

A small sample of the islamic verses on this subject

According to 4.95

qur'an 4.95: Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward

Very clearly says that the muslims who fight in the cause of allah are a grade higher than other muslims.

So what is this fight in the cause of allah?

Well 9.111 says:

qur'an 9.111: Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph.

Again very clear, to fight in the way of allah muslims are to slay and be slain.

Well what about the suicidal muslims?

What does islam say about them?

qur'an 3.157: And if you are killed in the cause of Allah or die - then forgiveness from Allah and mercy are better than whatever they accumulate [in this world].

qur'an 3.158: And whether you die or are killed, unto Allah you will be gathered.

Why the two references regarding one thing (death)?

Islam cites killed and die, two distinct ways for a muslim to meet his / her death.

Why?

Well quiet obviously killed is not of the muslims choice, his opponent was his better and killed him.

To die is to seek death voluntarily (suicide)

This is verified in the following:

qur'an 4.74: Let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the cause of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.

To sell the life of this world for the cause of allah, muslims willingly choose death over life (suicide)

So why choose death over life?

qur'an 3.169: And never think of those who have been killed in the cause of Allah as dead. Rather, they are alive with their Lord,receiving provision,

Never think of these muslims as dead rather they are alive with allah, in the  big brothel in the sky.

islam is  nothing more than a cult of killers, every single muslim on earth totally believes this filth and perversion to be perfect and can never be changed.

Therefore every muslim believes in the concept of the islamic suicidal mass murderer.
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Reply #2 - Apr 5th, 2016 at 2:43pm
 
Trolling, a trolling we will go.  All this effort to demonise common, everyday, moderate Muslims.   Do they frighten you that much, really?   Time to wake up, time to grow up, time to start thinking.  Muslims aren't insane, Muslims aren't all Terrorists.  Muslims more often than not are the victims of Terrorists.   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #3 - Apr 5th, 2016 at 2:49pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 2:43pm:
Trolling, a trolling we will go.  All this effort to demonise common, everyday, moderate Muslims.   Do they frighten you that much, really?   Time to wake up, time to grow up, time to start thinking.  Muslims aren't insane, Muslims aren't all Terrorists.  Muslims more often than not are the victims of Terrorists.   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy


Did  i mention 'every day' muslims. I'm referring to jihadists.
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Reply #4 - Apr 5th, 2016 at 2:53pm
 
GordyL wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 2:49pm:
|dev|null wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 2:43pm:
Trolling, a trolling we will go.  All this effort to demonise common, everyday, moderate Muslims.   Do they frighten you that much, really?   Time to wake up, time to grow up, time to start thinking.  Muslims aren't insane, Muslims aren't all Terrorists.  Muslims more often than not are the victims of Terrorists.   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy


Did  i mention 'every day' muslims. I'm referring to jihadists.



Really?  Where is that word?   I can't see it.  Like all Islamophobes you simply use the term "Muslims".

"Jihadists" or "Jihadis" are non-words, created by a lazy Western media.  The proper Arabic term is "Mujihadeen" but they won't use that word 'cause they've already used it to refer to the anti-Soviet resistence in Afghanistan during the Soviet-Afghan war.  "Mujihadeen" are good guys, "Jihadis"/"Jihadists" are bad guys, right?  Despite "Jihad" being the root of the word "Mujihadeen".   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #5 - Apr 5th, 2016 at 3:08pm
 
Ah yes the good old every day muslim.

Are they the ones who have taken their little kids overseas to teach them how to behead innocent people?

Or taught their kids how to go down to the local police station and kill an innocent police clerk?

Or gone overseas to marry some terrorist?

Or perhaps they are the one in a thousand muslims who have left Australia to actively participate in terrorist activities?


Or perhaps they just held innocent people hostage (resulting in the death of innocents) in a downtown cafe?

Or perhaps they are the muslims who are being held on terror related charges?

etc. etc. etc.etc..

If that's the result of everyday muslims, what's it going to be like if the baddies ever get here? 
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Reply #6 - Apr 5th, 2016 at 3:09pm
 
moses wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 3:08pm:
Ah yes the good old every day muslim.

Are they the ones who have taken their little kids overseas to teach them how to behead innocent people?

Or taught their kids how to go down to the local police station and kill an innocent police clerk?

Or gone overseas to marry some terrorist?

Or perhaps they are the one in a thousand muslims who have left Australia to actively participate in terrorist activities?


Or perhaps they just held innocent people hostage (resulting in the death of innocents) in a downtown cafe?

Or perhaps they are the muslims who are being held on terror related charges?



No.
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Reply #7 - Apr 5th, 2016 at 3:10pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 2:53pm:
GordyL wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 2:49pm:
|dev|null wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 2:43pm:
Trolling, a trolling we will go.  All this effort to demonise common, everyday, moderate Muslims.   Do they frighten you that much, really?   Time to wake up, time to grow up, time to start thinking.  Muslims aren't insane, Muslims aren't all Terrorists.  Muslims more often than not are the victims of Terrorists.   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy


Did  i mention 'every day' muslims. I'm referring to jihadists.



Really?  Where is that word?   I can't see it.  Like all Islamophobes you simply use the term "Muslims".


Maybe Gordy meant someone else.
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Reply #8 - Apr 5th, 2016 at 3:14pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 2:53pm:
GordyL wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 2:49pm:
|dev|null wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 2:43pm:
Trolling, a trolling we will go.  All this effort to demonise common, everyday, moderate Muslims.   Do they frighten you that much, really?   Time to wake up, time to grow up, time to start thinking.  Muslims aren't insane, Muslims aren't all Terrorists.  Muslims more often than not are the victims of Terrorists.   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy


Did  i mention 'every day' muslims. I'm referring to jihadists.



Really?  Where is that word?   I can't see it.  Like all Islamophobes you simply use the term "Muslims".

"Jihadists" or "Jihadis" are non-words, created by a lazy Western media.  The proper Arabic term is "Mujihadeen" but they won't use that word 'cause they've already used it to refer to the anti-Soviet resistence in Afghanistan during the Soviet-Afghan war.  "Mujihadeen" are good guys, "Jihadis"/"Jihadists" are bad guys, right?  Despite "Jihad" being the root of the word "Mujihadeen".   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy


Thanks for your participation in the thread but if you'd like to discuss the definition of Islamophobia why not start a relevant discussion.

Now on the question of suicide bombers, do you think they must be insane or is the principle of martyrdom in fundimetalist Islam sufficient motivation?
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Reply #9 - Apr 5th, 2016 at 3:24pm
 
It's a good question, and basically, the answer is ...  "No more than were soldiers rushing to almost certain death across the fields of Flanders during the First World War".

And tens of thousands of instances since.

Since time immemorial men have been willing to risk death to defend their tribal territory against hostile invasion - and to risk death in the cause of expanding ones tribal territory in the interest of capturing more resources so as to better ensure the survival of ones tribe against the lean times.

Eventually nations were created like this.



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Reply #10 - Apr 5th, 2016 at 3:36pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 3:24pm:
It's a good question, and basically, the answer is ...  "No more than were soldiers rushing to almost certain death across the fields of Flanders during the First World War".

And tens of thousands of instances since.

Since time immemorial men have been willing to risk death to defend their tribal territory against hostile invasion - and to risk death in the cause of expanding ones tribal territory in the interest of capturing more resources so as to better ensure the survival of ones tribe against the lean times.

Eventually nations were created like this.


Sure, but killing children in he process and believing you're doing them a favor by sending them DIRECT to paradise?
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Reply #11 - Apr 5th, 2016 at 3:42pm
 
The worst case scenario for mental health professionals is those who are homicidal and suicidal.

Islam produces a lot of people we would consider to be insane, perhaps we should put warning labels on the Quran like we do with ciggies, we could have pics of people being blown up on the cover of every new Quran.

The Book of Jihad by Ibn Nuhaas is a free download in pdf, there is a bit in there saying muslims will not be upset in becoming collateral damage because they will be happy to be rewarded in the heavenly brothel with rivers of wine in the Islamic afterlife
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Reply #12 - Apr 5th, 2016 at 4:41pm
 
They can't possibly be insane. We need to blame Islam.
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Reply #13 - Apr 5th, 2016 at 4:43pm
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 4:41pm:
They can't possibly be insane. We need to blame Islam.


Not all Islam, just the fundamentalist aspects of it.
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Reply #14 - Apr 5th, 2016 at 4:48pm
 
GordyL wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 4:43pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 4:41pm:
They can't possibly be insane. We need to blame Islam.


Not all Islam, just the fundamentalist aspects of it.


Do you mean the tinted aspects, Gordy, or just the crazy, insane aspects?
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