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Reply #60 - Apr 1st, 2016 at 1:10pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on Apr 1st, 2016 at 12:26pm:
One poster talked about how China blow up the coral for fish.   But with mass bleaching event like this, scale wise its MUCH MUCH worse than blowing up the coral.   It depletes fish stocks, and basically negates all the good work that we have done in Australia in terms of fishing management, and with that severe economic repercussions. 


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Reply #61 - Apr 1st, 2016 at 5:05pm
 
Gnads wrote on Apr 1st, 2016 at 8:41am:
95% bleached? Rubbish

I watched a program the other day that stated the northern parts of the reef were in good order & the most pristene.

And they will regenerate the southern bleach affected areas

I'm not sure it's that simple: you are basically talking about the equivalent idea of atmospheric-tele-connnection however as regards living things.

I call shennanigans!

Feel free to call it back why don't you  Wink

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Reply #62 - Apr 1st, 2016 at 5:08pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 1st, 2016 at 9:16am:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Mar 31st, 2016 at 11:19pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 31st, 2016 at 6:15pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 31st, 2016 at 6:05pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 31st, 2016 at 11:29am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 31st, 2016 at 8:30am:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 31st, 2016 at 8:23am:
its time for the inner city greens to turn off their air conditioners and sell their Jeep Grand Cherokees , go jump off the harbour bridge and save the environment from man made climate change


The Abos were doing quite fine before the white trash got here and screwed everything up with their hole drilling mentality. No destruction of the barrier reef when the Abos were running the show Wink


they were doing fine?  stone age culture with a life expectancy of 25-30.

not 'fine' at all


but they lasted 50,000 years whilst leaving the environment in pristine condition. We will be lucky to last another 100 years with our paper money and fake economies Sad
Actually the aborigines made quite a few animals extinct and burnt the land so much that it's still not the same. Human beings leave a mark on the land no matter where they go. I will grant you that the whiteman has done some real damage to the land but we must remember that the system feeds us and we owe it more than we think.

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You say 'system' but you won't say 'socialism'!

Lol, you are a f"n junior  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

I think you can well and truly count yourself out of the business acumen club of Australia!


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Haven't you got an internet connection to fix numptoid?

You're nothing bro: you are mr can't handle me aren't you broseph!!!!!!!!?

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Reply #63 - Apr 1st, 2016 at 6:19pm
 
John_Taverner wrote on Apr 1st, 2016 at 1:05pm:
If you look at the precipitation map, it becomes obvious to most people that it's not as cut and dried as you say.



What does a precipitation map of the land area say of SST's?
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Reply #64 - Apr 1st, 2016 at 6:29pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 1st, 2016 at 6:19pm:
John_Taverner wrote on Apr 1st, 2016 at 1:05pm:
If you look at the precipitation map, it becomes obvious to most people that it's not as cut and dried as you say.



What does a precipitation map of the land area say of SST's?


What does an El Nino say of SSTs?

You'll have to explain your model, which you obviously have great confidence in (albeit misplaced confidence). That would be the  model that links the barometric pressure difference between Darwin and Tahiti, and SSTs.  What does your model say?
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Reply #65 - Apr 20th, 2016 at 12:20pm
 
Darlings, its official. According to National Coral Bleaching Taskforce:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-20/great-barrier-reef-bleaching/7340342

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Great Barrier Reef: Only 7 per cent not bleached, survey finds

Bleaching of this magnitude is affecting "virtually all" coral species. (Justin Marshall/coralwatch.org)
RELATED STORY: In pictures: A close-up look at the Great Barrier Reef's bleachingRELATED STORY: 'Devastating' Great

Barrier Reef bleaching worse than first thoughtRELATED STORY: Coral bleaching threat level increased by authorities

Aerial and underwater surveys of the Great Barrier Reef have revealed 93 per cent of it has been bleached to some extent.

Aerial checks of more than 900 individual reefs showed the spread varies dramatically along its 2,300 kilometres, from 90 per cent north of Port Douglas to less than 10 per cent south of Mackay.

What is coral bleaching?

Occurs when abnormal environmental conditions cause coral to expel tiny photosynthetic algae, called zooxanthellae
Loss of colourful algae causes coral to turn white and "bleach".
Bleached coral can recover if the temperature drops and zooxanthellae are able to recolonise them, otherwise it may die

Professor Terry Hughes from the National Coral Bleaching Taskforce said the most severe bleaching had hit the northern section of the reef, which stretches 1,000 kilometres north of Port Douglas.

"We've never seen bleaching on the Great Barrier Reef of that severity and when bleaching is that strong it affects virtually all coral species," Professor Hughes said.

"We expect the central and southern corals to regain their colour and recover over the next few months.

Close-up pictures show stark effects of coral bleaching


Images document the ongoing bleaching on the Great Barrier Reef as ocean temperatures continue to be driven upward by climate change.
"The southern third of the Great Barrier Reef fortunately cooled down late in summer due to ex-cyclone Winston.

"The 2016 footprint could have been much worse."

But Professor Hughes said the overall picture was much worse than the past two bleaching events.

"In 1998 and 2002, 40 per cent of the reefs had no bleaching — it's only 7 per cent this time," he said.

"We also know in 1998 and 2002 about 18 per cent of the reefs were severely bleaching — this time it's over half.

"So by those metrics this bleaching event is three or four times more severe."

Professor Andrew Baird from the ARC Centre of Excellence for Coral Reef Studies has spent the past 17 days at sea recording the bleaching event.

"Tragically, the northern section is the most remote part of the reef, and its remoteness has protected it from most human pressures but not climate change," he said.

"North of Port Douglas, we're already measuring an average of close to 50 per cent mortality of bleached corals."


Meanwhile, Australia's southern waters are experiencing an extended warm period that scientists say offers a glimpse into Tasmania's climate future.

Water's off the state's east coast have been up to four degrees warmer than average for more than 100 days.
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Reply #66 - Apr 20th, 2016 at 1:27pm
 
CO2 takes 40 years to show its ill effects: this will get worse before it gets better!
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Reply #67 - Apr 21st, 2016 at 12:40pm
 
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Reply #68 - Apr 21st, 2016 at 6:56pm
 


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Reply #69 - Apr 22nd, 2016 at 8:17am
 
Svengali wrote on Apr 21st, 2016 at 12:40pm:


"522 reefs surveyed

81% severely bleached"

what percentage of each reef is bleached?

How does this equate to 95%?

If you average out the % of reefs not bleached it comes to 36%

That doesn't make 95%

First up Crown of Thorns was the greatest threat

now it water temp itself

we're DOOMED.
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Reply #70 - Apr 23rd, 2016 at 2:23am
 
[quote author=Gnads link=1459306847/69#69 date=1461277042][quote author=Svengali link=1459306847/67#67 date=1461206449][img]http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/scalefit_630_noupscale/5717581a1900002e0056ba95.jpeg[/img][/quote]

"522 reefs surveyed

[highlight]81%[/highlight] severely bleached"

what percentage of each reef is bleached?

How does this equate to 95%?

If you average out the % of reefs not bleached it comes to 36%

That doesn't make 95%

First up Crown of Thorns was the greatest threat

now it water temp itself

we're DOOMED.[/quote]
The 95% figure has caveats.

It's bogus in my book!

Statistics must be carefully interpreted and bad journalism is simply pulp fiction!!
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Reply #71 - Jun 3rd, 2016 at 1:59pm
 
The truth Australia doesn’t want to hear about saving the Great Barrier Reef:

http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/climate-change/the-truth-australia...

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ONE of the country’s most loved landmarks is facing extinction and everyone is scrambling to do something about it — except making the one hard decision that could actually save it.

The plight of the Great Barrier Reef has become a global concern with Hollywood superstars, legendary documentary makers and billionaire entrepreneurs drawing attention to its fragile state.

On Thursday the ABC revealed secret modelling that showed it could cost up to $16 billion to meet water quality targets over the next 10 years just to meet water quality targets for the reef.

Both sides of government have announced more money to improve reef’s condition but the funding has so far been millions, not billions.

They are also ignoring calls for a coal moratorium, despite experts saying this will be crucial to preserving one of Australia’s most lucrative attractions.


While it might seem like a crazy idea to some, experts say blocking the construction of new mines would actually be good for the economy.

Is this something Australia should really be considering? And what would it cost us?
A COAL MORATORIUM SOUNDS EXTREME, IS IT REALLY NECESSARY?
We all want to ensure the Great Barrier Reef survives but is it really necessary to block new coal mines?

It may not be the answer people want to hear, but experts believe it’s something Australia needs to do.
Climate change was identified as the most serious threat to the Great Barrier Reef, according to the government-funded Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority’s report.

Australia has already promised to keep temperature rises to under two degrees as part of the Paris global climate change agreement, but meeting this target may not be enough to save the reef.

“It is highly likely that two degrees of warming (above pre-industrial rates) would destroy the Great Barrier Reef as we know it,” Professor Will Steffen of the Climate Council told news.com.au.

“There may be a few individual reefs or pockets of corals that survive, but the vast sweep of reefs along Australia’s northeast coast would be gone, converted into algae-based ecosystems.”

He is not the only one who feels this way. In April, a group of 56 scientists signed an open letter calling for Australia to block new coal mines and phase out coal-fired power stations.

WOULDN’T IT HURT US ECONOMICALLY?
It’s all well and good to have the best intentions, but many Australians may not be willing to sacrifice economic growth in order to preserve the reef. The good news is, we don’t have to.

Economist Stephen Bartos of Pegasus Economics told news.com.au that if Australia pulled out of coal abruptly there would be a short term impact on growth but in the longer term moving away from mining would actually be a good thing.

This is because the growth we get from mining is mostly temporary and largely comes from jobs created during construction. Once they become operational mines don’t need as many people to keep them running.

“Not investing in coal mines doesn’t harm the economy if we invest in other productive things instead,” Mr Bartos said.

“People forget the economy is dynamic, what happens if we don’t invest in Project A, is we’ve got the resources for Project B. It’s not a negative in reality, the economy adjusts.”

In particular, he said thermal coal used for power plants would probably not be a good future investment.
“The cost of renewables is falling rapidly and will likely be more economical than coal in the very near future,” he said.
The Australia Institute chief economist Richard Denniss said it might feel counterintuitive but stopping the development of new mines in Australia would be “very good” for the country.

“The world’s demand for coal is flat or declining,” he said. “So if new mines are built in Queensland they will push the world price of coal down.

“The best way to help existing coal miners is to prevent the construction of their competitors.”

Assoc Prof Denniss said claims the new Carmichael coal mine would create thousands of jobs had been hyped up. Adani once claimed the new mine in the Galilee Basin would create 10,000 jobs, but has since admitted in court that it was more likely to be about 1400 jobs, including indirect jobs, over 30 years.

“There are well over 150,000 unemployed people in Queensland, there is no scenario that building new coal mines will solve Queensland’s employment problem, especially when new coal mines harm the tourism industry in both the short term and the long term,” Assoc Prof Denniss said.

In contrast the Great Barrier Reef is estimated to generate revenues of $6 billion each year while employing 70,000 people...
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Reply #72 - Jun 3rd, 2016 at 5:57pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 3rd, 2016 at 1:59pm:
On Thursday the ABC revealed secret modelling that showed it could cost up to $16 billion to meet water quality targets over the next 10 years just to meet water quality targets for the reef.



Ah, the "models". Just exactly what did they model? Did they factor in a la Nina? Was it a water quality model without inputs from El Nino/La Nina?

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 3rd, 2016 at 1:59pm:
“It is highly likely that two degrees of warming (above pre-industrial rates) would destroy the Great Barrier Reef as we know it,” Professor Will Steffen of the Climate Council told news.com.au.


Will Steffen studiously ignores the science that says it is abrupt change, both  warmer and cooler, that causes bleaching. Not a slow 2ºC.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 3rd, 2016 at 1:59pm:
In April, a group of 56 scientists signed an open letter calling for Australia to block new coal mines and phase out coal-fired power stations.


Only 56? What happened to the 97%?

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 3rd, 2016 at 1:59pm:
Economist Stephen Bartos of Pegasus Economics told news.com.au that if Australia pulled out of coal abruptly there would be a short term impact on growth but in the longer term moving away from mining would actually be a good thing.


You notice he doesn't quantify " a short term impact on growth "? I wonder why that is?
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Reply #73 - Jun 4th, 2016 at 8:42am
 
Surprise surprise surprise

"Activist scientists and lobby groups have distorted surveys, maps and data to misrepresent the extent and impact of coral bleaching on the Great Barrier Reef, ­according to the chairman of the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority, Russell Reichelt."


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/great-barrier-reef-scientists-exagge...
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Reply #74 - Jun 4th, 2016 at 10:55am
 
mitasol wrote on Jun 4th, 2016 at 8:42am:
Surprise surprise surprise

"Activist scientists and lobby groups have distorted surveys, maps and data to misrepresent the extent and impact of coral bleaching on the Great Barrier Reef, ­according to the chairman of the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority, Russell Reichelt."


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/great-barrier-reef-scientists-exagge...


Of course the chairman of the Great Barrier Reef Authority would say that because he has been left behind by the protests of others at the threat to the GBR. If he has not been doing anything except collecting his pay cheque he has an interest in clouding and diverting the protests.

Opinion posted in your article:

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This opinion from Russell Reichelt, the same chairman of the Great Barrier Reef Authority, who approved the proposal for dredge spoil from the Abbott Point coal port expansion to be dumped on the reef?
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