The integration line has not always been seen in the same light, even by Western liberals.

Middle Eastern migration to Europe and Britain began slowly after WW2, as the colonies were abandoned. It was the beginning of the multicultural experiment as those liberal views became more widespread.

The idea of assimilation was assumed in what might be seen as a rather condescending manner. "Of course, the immigrants will want to be Western liberals, just like us."
In more recent decades liberal philosophy has reviewed itself, and in trying to be even more broadminded, it has morphed into cultural relativism, which views all cultures equally, even if they don't respect other cultures. The concept was doomed from day one, for obvious reasons.

Now, we see the most liberal of European leaders trying to re-invent assimilation and integration as if it was 1958. It is hypocrisy of the most cynical nature. How can they insult their voter's intelligence so blatantly?

Wait! Wait! I got it!  They re-invented . . . . That was then, this is now!

I bloodywell knew these cowards would cave:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35924701 

issuevoter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2016 at 10:03pm:




Not enough dead bodies yet, more are needed.

Erdogan is an Islamic fascist. I think really he dreams of recreating the Ottoman Empire with himself as the Sultan.

Good stuff, Yadda.

It just proves that no leader in the West has had the vaguest idea of what 'Islam' means in terms of social unity and the country-of-origin loyalties of immigrant Muslims.

I lived it up-close-and-personal for years in the workplace, and I know the Superglue strength that binds these people together. It's like nothing I've even remotely witnessed amongst Westerners outside of brawling mobs in a soccer stand.

YEARS ago this same Turkish leader came to Germany and made this very same speech with its predictable response of jubilant celebrations and declarations of eternal loyalty from the gathered crowd.

I'm glad Erdogan made this speech, and I'm glad the notices were only in Turkish.

It's precisely what the German leadership AND the voting public have been inviting into their national homeland for decades now. Chickens coming home to roost.

Needless to say that Germany has long since cooked its goose, and they are now playing host to an entirely different kind of society that's been developing rapidly within their own historic national boundaries.

No sympathy from me whatsoever. The ones who have been voting election after election for liberal-progressive policies to continue unabated were the very same people who labelled those who preached caution as 'racists', 'Islamophobes', 'bigots', 'xenophobes', 'neo-Nazis', and extreme Rightwingers'.

I hope that lot are feeling somewhat embarrassed and humbled now.

They made their bed ...

By the end of the century a great chunk of Eastern Germany will have been partitioned off as an autonomous Turkish state just as Russia has done with all those one-time southern provinces of theirs.

Westerners brought up in a secular society, even more so a "progressive" society, cannot believe in the possibility of this. We have evidence of that on this forum for a start.
So how can they comprehend the existence of this jihad other than seeing it as a deviance when it is in fact at the core of Islamic philosophy and long term ambition.

at post #25


"When truth cannot make itself known in words, it will make itself known in deeds."
- Roger Scruton

MumboJumbo wrote on Mar 31^st, 2016 at 6:06pm:


They did provide them with some interesting drawings which I think were posted in the Merkel thread.