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Unions Tasmania In Penalty Rate Campaign
Mar 29th, 2016 at 6:19am
 
Unions Tasmania thanks Easter holiday workers in penalty rate campaign   Smiley


Updated about 11 hours ago
ABC News

Unions Tasmania members dressed as Easter bunnies have rallied in the state's north-west against any cuts to penalty rates.   Smiley   
Key points:

    Unions Tasmania enlists Easter bunnies in continuing penalty rates campaign
    Spokesman says Easter workers deserve thanks
    The Hospitality Association wants penalty rates changed

About a dozen union members handed out cards in Devonport thanking those who worked on the Easter Monday public holiday.

The group was campaigning against changes to penalty rates that the Productivity Commission recommended last year.

Some business groups have argued a reduction in penalty rates would encourage more businesses to open on public holidays and weekends.

But union spokesman Jake Denny said he believed it would have an unfair impact on workers.  

"They're working today, they could be out camping with their family, out holidaying, but nope, they're at work," he said.

"We're here to protect their penalty rates, which are compensating them for that lost time with family, kids, mates.

"Some people are lucky enough to work a nine to five job, so they get to go home, see their kids at night, but other people, they're working all through the night.

"I think it's very unfair on those people that are trying to work at this time of the year that they shouldn't be compensated for it."

Mr Denny called on the Federal Government to not consider penalty rate reductions. 

But the Federal Government called the campaign misguided, and said there were no plans to change penalty rates.

Deputy Premier Jeremy Rockliff said the Tasmanian Government was not advocating for any change at a state level because it was a federal matter.
Reduced penalty rates 'could allow more businesses to open'

The Hospitality Association's Steve Old said the Productivity Commission's recommendation of reducing Sunday penalty rates to match the Saturday rate was the right move.

He believed it would allow more businesses to open around Tasmania.

"There's nothing worse than going around a city centre, even Devonport, Burnie, Launceston, you go through these places and there's hardly a venue to be open," he said.

"Which means there's a lot of people disappointed, there's also no one getting employment so I would have thought the union would want to work with the industry to see people employed."

Mr Old said some businesses that opened over the Easter long weekend could have avoided paying penalty rates.

"A lot of them are employing family and other people, that means that don't have to get on the penalty rates scale, so there's a lot of ways people that work around it," he said.

A solution appears on the horizon, with the Fair Work Commission set to hand down its decision on hospitality and retail penalty rates around the middle of the year.
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Reply #1 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:23am
 
Outside the market (corrupt) compulsory penalty rates are a cause of unemployment.

TAS has too much unemployment due to Leftist destruction of its more profitable industries already
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Reply #2 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:24am
 
Swagman wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:23am:
Outside the market (corrupt) compulsory penalty rates are a cause of unemployment.


Incorrect.
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Reply #3 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:25am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:24am:
Swagman wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:23am:
Outside the market (corrupt) compulsory penalty rates are a cause of unemployment.


Incorrect.


Incorrect
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Reply #4 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 8:46am
 
Swagman wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:25am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:24am:
Swagman wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:23am:
Outside the market (corrupt) compulsory penalty rates are a cause of unemployment.


Incorrect.


Incorrect?


That's correct: you are incorrect.
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Reply #5 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 8:55am
 
Swagman wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:23am:
Outside the market (corrupt) compulsory penalty rates are a cause of unemployment.

TAS has too much unemployment due to Leftist destruction of its more profitable industries already


Since penalty rates from part of the market it is not outside the market.
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Reply #6 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 9:20am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 8:46am:
Swagman wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:25am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:24am:
Swagman wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:23am:
Outside the market (corrupt) compulsory penalty rates are a cause of unemployment.


Incorrect.


Incorrect?


That's correct: you are incorrect.


That's incorrect as well
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Reply #7 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 9:26am
 
Swagman wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:23am:
Outside the market (corrupt) compulsory penalty rates are a cause of unemployment.


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Reply #8 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 9:27am
 
stunspore wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 8:55am:
Swagman wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:23am:
Outside the market (corrupt) compulsory penalty rates are a cause of unemployment.

TAS has too much unemployment due to Leftist destruction of its more profitable industries already


Since penalty rates from part of the market it is not outside the market.


Any product that has its price set artificially is outside the market Stunpy....

Your argument should really be about whether, that, is a good or a bad thing. 

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Reply #9 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 9:54am
 
Swagman wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 9:27am:
stunspore wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 8:55am:
Swagman wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:23am:
Outside the market (corrupt) compulsory penalty rates are a cause of unemployment.

TAS has too much unemployment due to Leftist destruction of its more profitable industries already


Since penalty rates from part of the market it is not outside the market.


Any product that has its price set artificially is outside the market Stunpy....

Your argument should really be about whether, that, is a good or a bad thing. 



So our gas, electricity, and petrol prices are outside the market?  I always knew that.....
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Reply #10 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 10:16am
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 9:54am:
Swagman wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 9:27am:
stunspore wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 8:55am:
Swagman wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:23am:
Outside the market (corrupt) compulsory penalty rates are a cause of unemployment.

TAS has too much unemployment due to Leftist destruction of its more profitable industries already


Since penalty rates from part of the market it is not outside the market.


Any product that has its price set artificially is outside the market Stunpy....

Your argument should really be about whether, that, is a good or a bad thing. 



So our gas, electricity, and petrol prices are outside the market?  I always knew that.....


I believe those particular items have market competition.  Penalty rates do not.
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Reply #11 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 11:25am
 
So this is not a Penalty Rates Campaign - it's a campaign against CUTTING existing rates.....

Maybe the workers should move to a campaign for double time every hour of every day and then negotiate on a log of claims....... come to some middle ground...... after all, that's what those pushing for chops of penalty rates are doing.. go for the jugular and see if they'll negotiate a lesser loss.....

Just 'cause it's a banana, doesn't mean it's yellow...
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Reply #12 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 11:27am
 
Swagman wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 10:16am:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 9:54am:
Swagman wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 9:27am:
stunspore wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 8:55am:
Swagman wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:23am:
Outside the market (corrupt) compulsory penalty rates are a cause of unemployment.

TAS has too much unemployment due to Leftist destruction of its more profitable industries already


Since penalty rates from part of the market it is not outside the market.


Any product that has its price set artificially is outside the market Stunpy....

Your argument should really be about whether, that, is a good or a bad thing. 



So our gas, electricity, and petrol prices are outside the market?  I always knew that.....


I believe those particular items have market competition.  Penalty rates do not.


Cartel prices, controlled by government setting the yardsticks?  Hardly market are they?
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Reply #13 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 11:31am
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 11:25am:
So this is not a Penalty Rates Campaign - it's a campaign against CUTTING existing rates.....

Maybe the workers should move to a campaign for double time every hour of every day and then negotiate on a log of claims....... come to some middle ground...... after all, that's what those pushing for chops of penalty rates are doing.. go for the jugular and see if they'll negotiate a lesser loss.....

Just 'cause it's a banana, doesn't mean it's yellow...


Penalty rates arent going anywhere , any government that wants to try it on again would spend 10 terms in opposition.
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Reply #14 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 11:57am
 
A business owner has money in the bank.

He can use this money to buy things which he needs.

He might need a motor vehicle.

he goes and negotiates the best price he can with the local auto yard.
if its a "valuable" vehicle, he pays more.

he might need computers and phones.
These, he also buys according to market conditions in what he and the seller agree is a fair price.

None of this needs to involve government.
Its is buyers and sellers.
If he doesnt offer enough money, the seller is under no obligation to sell.

The employee is a seller of labor.

If he is very valuable, like a BMW, he will fetch a fine price.
If he has failed to make himself valuable, if he blows smoke, has a dodgy clutch and bald tyres, he will fetch a lesser price.

Either way, it is the a trade of money for labor. it is something that has been going on since time began.
Both sides need to agree on a price for this exchange and the government does not need to be involved.

The dodgy car with the bad paint and rust cant really appeal to the government. what the dodgy car should do to fetch a good price is to look after its tryes, work hard on improving its performance, wash itself regularly to prevent rust , always be relaible, never complain when asked to tow a heavy load. In this way the purchaser will say...this car is valuable. i will retain it and i wont be replacing it as it serves my purpose well
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