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Reply #15 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 12:03pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 11:57am:
A business owner has money in the bank.

He can use this money to buy things which he needs.

He might need a motor vehicle.

he goes and negotiates the best price he can with the local auto yard.
if its a "valuable" vehicle, he pays more.

he might need computers and phones.
These, he also buys according to market conditions in what he and the seller agree is a fair price.

None of this needs to involve government.
Its is buyers and sellers.
If he doesnt offer enough money, the seller is under no obligation to sell.

The employee is a seller of labor.

If he is very valuable, like a BMW, he will fetch a fine price.
If he has failed to make himself valuable, if he blows smoke, has a dodgy clutch and bald tyres, he will fetch a lesser price.

Either way, it is the a trade of money for labor. it is something that has been going on since time began.
Both sides need to agree on a price for this exchange and the government does not need to be involved.

The dodgy car with the bad paint and rust cant really appeal to the government. what the dodgy car should do to fetch a good price is to look after its tryes, work hard on improving its performance, wash itself regularly to prevent rust , always be relaible, never complain when asked to tow a heavy load. In this way the purchaser will say...this car is valuable. i will retain it and i wont be replacing it as it serves my purpose well


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Re: Unions Tasmania In Penalty Rate Campaign
Reply #16 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 12:05pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 12:03pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 11:57am:
A business owner has money in the bank.

He can use this money to buy things which he needs.

He might need a motor vehicle.

he goes and negotiates the best price he can with the local auto yard.
if its a "valuable" vehicle, he pays more.

he might need computers and phones.
These, he also buys according to market conditions in what he and the seller agree is a fair price.

None of this needs to involve government.
Its is buyers and sellers.
If he doesnt offer enough money, the seller is under no obligation to sell.

The employee is a seller of labor.

If he is very valuable, like a BMW, he will fetch a fine price.
If he has failed to make himself valuable, if he blows smoke, has a dodgy clutch and bald tyres, he will fetch a lesser price.

Either way, it is the a trade of money for labor. it is something that has been going on since time began.
Both sides need to agree on a price for this exchange and the government does not need to be involved.

The dodgy car with the bad paint and rust cant really appeal to the government. what the dodgy car should do to fetch a good price is to look after its tryes, work hard on improving its performance, wash itself regularly to prevent rust , always be relaible, never complain when asked to tow a heavy load. In this way the purchaser will say...this car is valuable. i will retain it and i wont be replacing it as it serves my purpose well


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Reply #17 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 1:40pm
 
Gov provides the currency for exchange.  It provides legally enforced rules for all entities.  It provides a stable climate and infrastructure for transactions.  Another failed thought bubble.  As expected.
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Re: Unions Tasmania In Penalty Rate Campaign
Reply #18 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 2:42pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 11:57am:
A business owner has money in the bank.

He can use this money to buy things which he needs.

He might need a motor vehicle.

he goes and negotiates the best price he can with the local auto yard.
if its a "valuable" vehicle, he pays more.

he might need computers and phones.
These, he also buys according to market conditions in what he and the seller agree is a fair price.

None of this needs to involve government.
Its is buyers and sellers.
If he doesnt offer enough money, the seller is under no obligation to sell.

The employee is a seller of labor.

If he is very valuable, like a BMW, he will fetch a fine price.
If he has failed to make himself valuable, if he blows smoke, has a dodgy clutch and bald tyres, he will fetch a lesser price.

Either way, it is the a trade of money for labor. it is something that has been going on since time began.
Both sides need to agree on a price for this exchange and the government does not need to be involved.

The dodgy car with the bad paint and rust cant really appeal to the government. what the dodgy car should do to fetch a good price is to look after its tryes, work hard on improving its performance, wash itself regularly to prevent rust , always be relaible, never complain when asked to tow a heavy load. In this way the purchaser will say...this car is valuable. i will retain it and i wont be replacing it as it serves my purpose well



It doesn't matter if he's a BMW or whatever - unless there are minimum wage values he will be paid a tiny amount if left in the hands entirely of the business owner.

Sell a bad car to anyone and the government can and will jump all over you.

You need to get into town a bit more often..... this isolated life on the horse farm is not doing you a lot of good.
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Reply #19 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 3:13pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 2:42pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 11:57am:
A business owner has money in the bank.

He can use this money to buy things which he needs.

He might need a motor vehicle.

he goes and negotiates the best price he can with the local auto yard.
if its a "valuable" vehicle, he pays more.

he might need computers and phones.
These, he also buys according to market conditions in what he and the seller agree is a fair price.

None of this needs to involve government.
Its is buyers and sellers.
If he doesnt offer enough money, the seller is under no obligation to sell.

The employee is a seller of labor.

If he is very valuable, like a BMW, he will fetch a fine price.
If he has failed to make himself valuable, if he blows smoke, has a dodgy clutch and bald tyres, he will fetch a lesser price.

Either way, it is the a trade of money for labor. it is something that has been going on since time began.
Both sides need to agree on a price for this exchange and the government does not need to be involved.

The dodgy car with the bad paint and rust cant really appeal to the government. what the dodgy car should do to fetch a good price is to look after its tryes, work hard on improving its performance, wash itself regularly to prevent rust , always be relaible, never complain when asked to tow a heavy load. In this way the purchaser will say...this car is valuable. i will retain it and i wont be replacing it as it serves my purpose well



It doesn't matter if he's a BMW or whatever - unless there are minimum wage values he will be paid a tiny amount if left in the hands entirely of the business owner.

Sell a bad car to anyone and the government can and will jump all over you.

You need to get into town a bit more often..... this isolated life on the horse farm is not doing you a lot of good.


No Grapples, you have it "cart before the horse"
The seller of the bad car is the employee who has not "upgraded himself" by reading, doing study, acquiring new skills.
The "bad car" is not valuable as the "bad employee" is not valuable.

If you are a "bad car"...negative attitude, dont have drive, poor emotional control, poor work ethic, then you arent very valuable and as you rightly point out , when you try to sell yourself to an employer , if you are a dud, the government should indeed "jump all over you"


In fact, i would be willing to support government legislation where workers who are duds and not very valuable could face fines or even imprisonment for false representation.
When an employer spends his money, he is entitled to consumer protection to ensure he gets what he paid for  Wink
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Reply #20 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 3:22pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 3:13pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 2:42pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 11:57am:
A business owner has money in the bank.

He can use this money to buy things which he needs.

He might need a motor vehicle.

he goes and negotiates the best price he can with the local auto yard.
if its a "valuable" vehicle, he pays more.

he might need computers and phones.
These, he also buys according to market conditions in what he and the seller agree is a fair price.

None of this needs to involve government.
Its is buyers and sellers.
If he doesnt offer enough money, the seller is under no obligation to sell.

The employee is a seller of labor.

If he is very valuable, like a BMW, he will fetch a fine price.
If he has failed to make himself valuable, if he blows smoke, has a dodgy clutch and bald tyres, he will fetch a lesser price.

Either way, it is the a trade of money for labor. it is something that has been going on since time began.
Both sides need to agree on a price for this exchange and the government does not need to be involved.

The dodgy car with the bad paint and rust cant really appeal to the government. what the dodgy car should do to fetch a good price is to look after its tryes, work hard on improving its performance, wash itself regularly to prevent rust , always be relaible, never complain when asked to tow a heavy load. In this way the purchaser will say...this car is valuable. i will retain it and i wont be replacing it as it serves my purpose well



It doesn't matter if he's a BMW or whatever - unless there are minimum wage values he will be paid a tiny amount if left in the hands entirely of the business owner.

Sell a bad car to anyone and the government can and will jump all over you.

You need to get into town a bit more often..... this isolated life on the horse farm is not doing you a lot of good.


No Grapples, you have it "cart before the horse"
The seller of the bad car is the employee who has not "upgraded himself" by reading, doing study, acquiring new skills.
The "bad car" is not valuable as the "bad employee" is not valuable.

If you are a "bad car"...negative attitude, dont have drive, poor emotional control, poor work ethic, then you arent very valuable and as you rightly point out , when you try to sell yourself to an employer , if you are a dud, the government should indeed "jump all over you"


In fact, i would be willing to support government legislation where workers who are duds and not very valuable could face fines or even imprisonment for false representation.
When an employer spends his money, he is entitled to consumer protection to ensure he gets what he paid for  Wink


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Reply #21 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 3:28pm
 
you would not be a very valuable employee gwegarry.
i think that as Grappler said, if you sold yourself to an employer, he has really purchased a dud and he should have consumer protection laws , so you can be removed from his premises and you can be  made to pay compensation for failing to meet basic standards of , at the very least, "common sense" Smiley
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Reply #23 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 4:10pm
 
gweg.
you are a really problem horse and i'm beginning to doubt if you are trainable.
you are what we call in the business a "project" horse.
Now your first training session is to read this .
Its a bit girly, so you should find it suitable.
More lessons to follow

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Reply #24 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 4:14pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 4:10pm:
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Reply #25 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 5:07pm
 
Swagman wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:23am:
Outside the market (corrupt) compulsory penalty rates are a cause of unemployment.

TAS has too much unemployment due to Leftist destruction of its more profitable industries already



even the experts don't make that claim ...  Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #26 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 5:09pm
 
Swagman wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 9:27am:
stunspore wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 8:55am:
Swagman wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:23am:
Outside the market (corrupt) compulsory penalty rates are a cause of unemployment.

TAS has too much unemployment due to Leftist destruction of its more profitable industries already


Since penalty rates from part of the market it is not outside the market.


Any product that has its price set artificially is outside the market Stunpy....

Your argument should really be about whether, that, is a good or a bad thing. 




but it's not set ... you can always pay more if you like
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Reply #27 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 5:12pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 11:25am:
So this is not a Penalty Rates Campaign - it's a campaign against CUTTING existing rates.....

Maybe the workers should move to a campaign for double time every hour of every day and then negotiate on a log of claims....... come to some middle ground...... after all, that's what those pushing for chops of penalty rates are doing.. go for the jugular and see if they'll negotiate a lesser loss.....

Just 'cause it's a banana, doesn't mean it's yellow...


I think it was in SA .. but the story I heard was that a few years ago employers decided that rather than pay penalty rates, they would pay a higher hourly rate across the whole week and the rate then remained the same regardless of day or time (all legal, provided their is no overall loss to employees)  .... a few months later the EMPLOYERS cried it didn't achieved their desired goal and went back to penalty rates Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #28 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 5:13pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 4:10pm:
gweg.
you are a really problem horse and i'm beginning to doubt if you are trainable.
you are what we call in the business a "project" horse.
Now your first training session is to read this .
Its a bit girly, so you should find it suitable.
More lessons to follow



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Reply #29 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 5:19pm
 
Its time wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 5:13pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 4:10pm:
gweg.
you are a really problem horse and i'm beginning to doubt if you are trainable.
you are what we call in the business a "project" horse.
Now your first training session is to read this .
Its a bit girly, so you should find it suitable.
More lessons to follow



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i can probably train you as well leftwinger.
very bad problem horses have to be started very slowly.
i usually find about 15 minutes of training a day is all they can cope with.
I cant train you both at the same time though.
2 problem horses together in a round yard will feed off each others misplaced energy. (this forum has the same problem).
So maybe gweg in the morning and you in the afternoon .


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