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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98425	Re: Not so 'moderate' Muslims - and Western inertia Reply #180 - Apr 7^th, 2016 at 11:18pm Good point, Frank. What is it?
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Reply #181 - Apr 8^th, 2016 at 12:29am

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 7^th, 2016 at 11:31am:

freediver wrote on Apr 7^th, 2016 at 11:15am:

I am certain that Islamophobia is not always caused by racism

So I guess we'll discard your previous statement that you "have no idea what it means" then.

Would you care to backpeddle a little further and offer an opinion on what you else, besides racism, it can be caused by? Would you accept bigotry or ignorance? As long as we're not using the "R" word?

bigotry or ignorance ??? LOL

More like being informed and commonsense.

All one has to do is look at the local muslim community and how they carry on and make ghettos for themselves. Then there is the normal street violence, the middle eastern crime squads we need to make to cater for them. Not to mention the daily highly intellectual acts of terror over getting upset that people don't think like them or are happy without the BS of islam. Then there are those that read the quran and the utter nonsense in that and instruction for committing genocide and violence.

Its more bloody commonsense. Then people get online and are further incensed by muslims online still spouting shyte making all excuses under the sun for their clear problems with everyone else. If someone said they were a bigot against muslims because of how they carry on so what. It certainly is not ignorance. Quiet the opposite. Losers would call me an islamophobe yet I am not. I just don't like people that carry on like muslims do and what muslims call holy with what I deem sick perverted beliefs. Certainly aint scared of em. I just want nothing to do with them , I find em, rabid and quiet mentally simple and unstable.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98425	Re: Not so 'moderate' Muslims - and Western inertia Reply #182 - Apr 8^th, 2016 at 1:02am True, Matty. You must be into Freeeeedom ™.
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Sir James Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 633 Gender:	Re: Not so 'moderate' Muslims - and Western inertia Reply #183 - Apr 8^th, 2016 at 1:07am On your bike troll ™.
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Reply #184 - Apr 8^th, 2016 at 12:40pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 7^th, 2016 at 12:58pm:

sorry FD, isn't Islamophobia invoked "whenever people start criticising Islam or complaining about people getting shot or blown up by terrorists"?

Thats what I mean by spineless apologetics.

Well done Gandalf. I think it is caused by Muslims blowing people up in the street. You think it is only ever caused by racism. Even Karnal disagrees with you on this one.

Do you think that Islamic terrorism might be causing Islamophobia Gandalf?

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Reply #185 - Apr 8^th, 2016 at 3:48pm

Remember 911.
The devil worshipers all cheered and ran around shouting "Allah be praised."

That is until someone pointed out that it made them look bad, then they retreated like the cowards they are and kept mum.

They never criticize terrorists attacks in any way near the the way they take affront at someone knocking their silly little book of sociopath rantings.

There are no moderate Muslims.
There are radicals and radicals in waiting who are too scared to make their move.
The world to them is Muslims and infidels.
Infidels are nothing but targets.

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I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU

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Reply #186 - Apr 8^th, 2016 at 4:50pm

freediver wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 12:40pm:

Well done Gandalf. I think it is caused by Muslims blowing people up in the street. You think it is only ever caused by racism.

The problem here FD is that we are defining two completely different things: I'm defining something I believe is real, while you are clearly defining something that you don't believe is real. But thats the angle I would have expected you to take from the beginning - instead, quite surprisingly, you originally spoke of it as if it could be something real ("I have no idea what it means or if there is a genuine psychiatric meaning.").

Now you've gone from "I have no idea what it means" to "I'm certain its not always caused by racism" to "I think it is caused by Muslims blowing people up in the street". This makes absolutely no sense - unless its interpreted as shifting your position from something that is or could be real, to merely dismissing Islamophobia as an entirely cynical tool to apologise for terrorism.

So the question is, are you still open to the possibility that Islamophobia could be real (as in an irrational fear/hate of Islam that may or may not have "genuine psychiatric meaning") - or have you abandoned that position entirely in the space of a few days?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #187 - Apr 8^th, 2016 at 9:37pm

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The problem here FD is that we are defining two completely different things: I'm defining something I believe is real, while you are clearly defining something that you don't believe is real.

I believe it is possible to react irrationally to people being blown up in the street. I don't believe there is any way you can sensibly define the terms to back your outrageous claim that all islamophobia is always based on racism. I think you are feeding into Islamic victimhood industry at the same time as trying to place yourself above it. Of course it is easier for Muslims to deal with the sneers and dirty looks if they convince themselves it is because they are black and they are victims of racism. Best not to look too hard within eh? "Oh, you think that dirty old pedophile mass murderer is the messenger of God. That's nice." "You just don't like me 'cause I'm tinted."

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Now you've gone from "I have no idea what it means" to "I'm certain its not always caused by racism" to "I think it is caused by Muslims blowing people up in the street". This makes absolutely no sense

It does if you look at the context Gandalf. I don't even need a definition to know you are wrong. Neither does Karnal. That's how wrong you are.

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Reply #188 - Apr 8^th, 2016 at 11:04pm

freediver wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 9:37pm:

Of course it is easier for Muslims to deal with the sneers and dirty looks if they convince themselves it is because they are black and they are victims of racism. Best not to look too hard within eh? "Oh, you think that dirty old pedophile mass murderer is the messenger of God. That's nice." "You just don't like me 'cause I'm tinted."

What rubbish. The average Islamophobe wouldn't even know who Muhammad is, let alone make rational judgements on muslim's beliefs based on a critical analysis of the historical figure.

They're usually more like this:

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98425	Re: Not so 'moderate' Muslims - and Western inertia Reply #189 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 1:04am FD, are you racist? You keep avoiding this question.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50562 At my desk.	Re: Not so 'moderate' Muslims - and Western inertia Reply #190 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 7:52am No. Gandalf, you do not have to know who Muhammed is to respond badly to people getting blown up in the street.
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Reply #191 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 8:25am

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 7:52am:

No.

Gandalf, you do not have to know who Muhammed is to respond badly to people getting blown up in the street.

Sorry FD, are you now saying people don't invoke Prophet Muhammad and his evil deeds when they "respond badlly" to Islamic terrorism? Would you say that one way people "respond badly to people getting blown up in the street" is to be racist?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #192 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 8:59am

Everyone responds in their own way Gandalf. Here's a tip. If I don't say it, then I am not saying it.

No matter how you try to twist it, there is no simply way you can sensibly define the terms to back your outrageous claim that all islamophobia is always based on racism. This is why you prefer to misunderstand me at every step. Why do you think you are so alone on this view?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Not so 'moderate' Muslims - and Western inertia Reply #193 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:06am Would you concede that islamophobia is sometimes based on racism?
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50562 At my desk.	Re: Not so 'moderate' Muslims - and Western inertia Reply #194 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:10am Sure. It could be. Would you concede it is wrong to insist this is the only thing it can be based on?
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