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Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Reply #15 - Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:02pm

GordyL wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:50pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:45pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:33pm:

you Islamaphobes have really been losing the plot lately

Are the Shia population who hate the Sunni because of persecution also Islamophobes?

http://m.smh.com.au/national/home-front-opens-in-a-foreign-war-20130629-2p3pi.ht...

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/australia-isis-shoot-prominent-shia-sydney-prompting-fe...

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235002910-boycott-shia-owned-businesses/

you see, this is where you mistake me for someone who cares that they want to kill each other. I don't . They've been killing each other for centuries, and nothing we do will stop them.

The problem is when they come and attack us. Now that I do have a problem with. The only way to stop them is to leave them to themselves. We need to get out of their territories, and leave them to sort it out. They will eventually sort it out or wipe each other out.

Now I'm confused. You recognise they have an appetite for violence, sunni shia, sunni yazidi, muslim jews but you also say they pose no risk in Australia than any other culture.

You can't have it both ways

I think you'll find all people have an appetite for violence, some, well all would rather do it from 30,000 feet. The Sunni sect of Islam is by far the most immoderate. There lays most of our problem with Islam, yet they are the ones supported by the west.

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Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Reply #16 - Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:05pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:33pm:

Svengali wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:18pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:09pm:

Current stats show Muslims make just 2.2% of our population but seem to really punch above their weight when it comes to causing trouble

The trouble is that each woman has 10 or more kids so they multiply rapidly.
Within 25 years 2% can turn into 20% or more -
& the kids are brainwashed at the local mosques
to follow Islam where they can be indoctrinated by
fundamentalists & turned into terrorists.

Isn't that what the Aboriginals said around 1788 about pommie settlers in Australia?

And they've been riding a Gravy Train on the taxpayers' dollars ever since.

But we digress.

As long as they don't follow Islam then they can come here.

In fact we don't need pedophile Catholics either.

All these religious nutcases should be banned from coming to Australia.

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Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Reply #17 - Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:13pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:45pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:33pm:

you Islamaphobes have really been losing the plot lately

Are the Shia population who hate the Sunni because of persecution also Islamophobes?

http://m.smh.com.au/national/home-front-opens-in-a-foreign-war-20130629-2p3pi.ht...

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/australia-isis-shoot-prominent-shia-sydney-prompting-fe...

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235002910-boycott-shia-owned-businesses/

you see, this is where you mistake me for someone who cares that they want to kill each other. I don't . They've been killing each other for centuries, and nothing we do will stop them.

The problem is when they come and attack us. Now that I do have a problem with. The only way to stop them is to leave them to themselves. We need to get out of their territories, and leave them to sort it out. They will eventually sort it out or wipe each other out.

Actually the outcome will be the time-honoured.. "it matters not who was right.. it matters who is left." That could be anybody... and history shows us that the current situation is most likely to create a never-ending repetition of the same old eye for an eye and generational blood feud that holds sway....

"You insult my cousin ten times remove five hundred year ago.... JIHAD!"

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Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Reply #19 - Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:39pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:20pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:09pm:

Current stats show Muslims make just 2.2% of our population but seem to really punch above their weight when it comes to causing trouble

Really?

I've seen no evidence of that.

Do you have something to support your irrational, Islamophobic claim?

Just saying.... the NSW Police have Middle East Crime Squad..... just saying.... might mean nothing.....

Ah surely do hate to rain on dat parade dere, Mistah.. but...

https://www.unisa.edu.au/Global/EASS/MnM/Publications/Australian_Muslims_Report_...

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Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Reply #20 - Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:50pm

GordyL wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:50pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:45pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:33pm:

you Islamaphobes have really been losing the plot lately

Are the Shia population who hate the Sunni because of persecution also Islamophobes?

http://m.smh.com.au/national/home-front-opens-in-a-foreign-war-20130629-2p3pi.ht...

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/australia-isis-shoot-prominent-shia-sydney-prompting-fe...

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235002910-boycott-shia-owned-businesses/

you see, this is where you mistake me for someone who cares that they want to kill each other. I don't . They've been killing each other for centuries, and nothing we do will stop them.

The problem is when they come and attack us. Now that I do have a problem with. The only way to stop them is to leave them to themselves. We need to get out of their territories, and leave them to sort it out. They will eventually sort it out or wipe each other out.

Now I'm confused. You recognise they have an appetite for violence, sunni shia, sunni yazidi, muslim jews but you also say they pose no risk in Australia than any other culture.

You can't have it both ways

why not? this isn't a book where you have option A or option B. Humans are much more intricate than that. .... if you were under constant threat of being attacked you'd develop an appetite for violence too. However. most who leave are tying to escape that violence.

the fact that we've had thousands of Muslims move here over decades, and very little terrorist attacks proves me right.

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Reply #21 - Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:51pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:13pm:

Actually the outcome will be the time-honoured.. "it matters not who was right.. it matters who is left." That could be anybody... and history shows us that the current situation is most likely to create a never-ending repetition of the same old eye for an eye and generational blood feud that holds sway....

"You insult my cousin ten times remove five hundred year ago.... JIHAD!"

maybe ... but as long as they keep it there I don't care

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Reply #22 - Mar 26^th, 2016 at 11:26pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:18pm:

The trouble is that each woman has 10 or more kids so they multiply rapidly.

In 2006 Muslim women aged 40 to 44 years had 2.9 babies each, compared with 2.0 for all women in Australia. After adjusting for factors including education and employment, the average number of children born to Australian Muslim women was 2.5

https://www.unisa.edu.au/Global/EASS/MnM/Publications/Australian_Muslims_Report_...

Your ignorance and your bigotry is forgiven.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Reply #23 - Mar 26^th, 2016 at 11:49pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 11:26pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:18pm:

The trouble is that each woman has 10 or more kids so they multiply rapidly.

In 2006 Muslim women aged 40 to 44 years had 2.9 babies each, compared with 2.0 for all women in Australia. After adjusting for factors including education and employment, the average number of children born to Australian Muslim women was 2.5

https://www.unisa.edu.au/Global/EASS/MnM/Publications/Australian_Muslims_Report_...

Your ignorance and your bigotry is forgiven.

Where do you see the problem?

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Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Reply #24 - Mar 26^th, 2016 at 11:56pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:51pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:13pm:

Actually the outcome will be the time-honoured.. "it matters not who was right.. it matters who is left." That could be anybody... and history shows us that the current situation is most likely to create a never-ending repetition of the same old eye for an eye and generational blood feud that holds sway....

"You insult my cousin ten times remove five hundred year ago.... JIHAD!"

maybe ... but as long as they keep it there I don't care

I agree.. but not all Muslims are of that kind..... the problem is how to sort out who is and who isn't of the 'bad' kind..

(heaven forbid that I say the wrong thing by taking a neutral and reasoned stance, when hunted by the likes of setanta and mothra - people I used to have respect for online, but who have shown themselves to be trapped in dogma and not able to discuss reasoned points)

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Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Reply #25 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:02am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 11:56pm:

[lims are of that kind..... the problem is how to sort out who is and who isn't of the 'bad' kind..

(heaven forbid that I say the wrong thing by taking a neutral and reasoned stance, when hunted by the likes of setanta and mothra - people I used to have respect for online, but who have shown themselves to be trapped in dogma and not able to discuss reasoned points)

Having a little sulk, are we?

Grap, i still respect you but i object in very strong measure to your gender politics. I am tired of you insulting feminists when i myself am one, then crying foul when called upon it.

Are you aware of how insulting you can be?

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Reply #26 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:17am

mothra wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:02am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 11:56pm:

[lims are of that kind..... the problem is how to sort out who is and who isn't of the 'bad' kind..

(heaven forbid that I say the wrong thing by taking a neutral and reasoned stance, when hunted by the likes of setanta and mothra - people I used to have respect for online, but who have shown themselves to be trapped in dogma and not able to discuss reasoned points)

Having a little sulk, are we?

Grap, i still respect you but i object in very strong measure to your gender politics. I am tired of you insulting feminists when i myself am one, then crying foul when called upon it.

Are you aware of how insulting you can be?

He himself is one if he would allow it.

My wife is my other half, someone I need for grounding. She is the reason I do what I do. If it was up to me I'd just kill people.

Lots of them.

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Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Reply #27 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:18am

mothra wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:02am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 11:56pm:

[lims are of that kind..... the problem is how to sort out who is and who isn't of the 'bad' kind..

(heaven forbid that I say the wrong thing by taking a neutral and reasoned stance, when hunted by the likes of setanta and mothra - people I used to have respect for online, but who have shown themselves to be trapped in dogma and not able to discuss reasoned points)

Having a little sulk, are we?

Grap, i still respect you but i object in very strong measure to your gender politics. I am tired of you insulting feminists when i myself am one, then crying foul when called upon it.

Are you aware of how insulting you can be?

Don't respect me - respect the ideas and the realities I put up. I have no need of respect (other than from the one who loves me).. but when ideas and reason are put out... there is a requirement for reason and ideas in return... not some outdated ideology based on some myth of oppression.

Do you have any idea how offensive that is to REAL people?

If y thine eye offend thee.. pluck it out....and see clearly...

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Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Reply #28 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:21am

Setanta wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:17am:

mothra wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:02am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 11:56pm:

[lims are of that kind..... the problem is how to sort out who is and who isn't of the 'bad' kind..

(heaven forbid that I say the wrong thing by taking a neutral and reasoned stance, when hunted by the likes of setanta and mothra - people I used to have respect for online, but who have shown themselves to be trapped in dogma and not able to discuss reasoned points)

Having a little sulk, are we?

Grap, i still respect you but i object in very strong measure to your gender politics. I am tired of you insulting feminists when i myself am one, then crying foul when called upon it.

Are you aware of how insulting you can be?

He himself is one if he would allow it.

My wife is my other half, someone I need for grounding. She is the reason I do what I do. If it was up to me I'd just kill people.

I will never be a feminist as long as the sky holds the clouds..... I am a humanist and will oppose preferential treatment for some at the vast expense of the majority .... and will fight to the death for what I know to be right... and that is nowhere manifest in the feminist portfolio, which by its very name works for only feminists, and not even for real women.

If you do not understand what I say - you were never there.

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Re: What % of Muslims is safe for Australia?
Reply #29 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:23am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:18am:

mothra wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 12:02am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 11:56pm:

[lims are of that kind..... the problem is how to sort out who is and who isn't of the 'bad' kind..

(heaven forbid that I say the wrong thing by taking a neutral and reasoned stance, when hunted by the likes of setanta and mothra - people I used to have respect for online, but who have shown themselves to be trapped in dogma and not able to discuss reasoned points)

Having a little sulk, are we?

Grap, i still respect you but i object in very strong measure to your gender politics. I am tired of you insulting feminists when i myself am one, then crying foul when called upon it.

Are you aware of how insulting you can be?

Don't respect me - respect the ideas and the realities I put up. I have no need of respect (other than from the one who loves me).. but when ideas and reason are put out... there is a requirement for reason and ideas in return... not some outdated ideology based on some myth of oppression.

Do you have any idea how offensive that is to REAL people?

If y thine eye offend thee.. pluck it out....and see clearly...

I respect the ideas you put up sometimes.

I take issue with you calling them realities. We all have our own realities. The trick is to ry to get along with as many people as possible.

I don;t think you comments on gender politics are reasoned or reallities. You are highly offensive to me often, but mostly i just let it wash over me, and count you as unlearned, Prejudiced. Ignorant.

I expect not to be slagged of in random sections of the forum in return for my patience.

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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