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Reply #30 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:56am

AiA wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:40am:

Had the USA not propped up the Saudi Regime all these decades the country would have experienced a bloody revolution long ago and now would probably be on solid ground. Instead, the worse is yet to come for the Saudis.

I can't remember when US foreign policy hasn't been such a tragic and preventable mistake since helping to defeat Hitler and Tojo.

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Reply #31 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:28am

AiA wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:40am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 9:38am:

Ajax wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:34am:

Why do you guys think petrol is so cheap, the west is trying to break the Russian economy and her grip on selling gas & oil to Europe.

From my reading of the UK's Daily Mail - this is not quite true.

The reason petrol is so cheap is that Saudi Arabia has strategically lowered the cost of its petroleum in order to make the cost of oil exploration and development by the US uneconomical.

The Gulf States have a vested interest in finding ways to prevent the US from becoming self-sufficient through development of its known oil reserves - hence the cheap cost per barrel.

It's the same rationale that lies behind China's export of cheap goods.

Had the USA not propped up the Saudi Regime all these decades the country would have experienced a bloody revolution long ago and now would probably be on solid ground. Instead, the worse is yet to come for the Saudis.

Maybe yes, maybe no.
Having SA stable and the world able to access cheap and reliable energy may have had a much more global stabilizing effect and created growth and prosperity that far outweighs the bullsh!t going in in the Middle East.
Who knows....

I do however think we have reached the time politically and technologically where it's time to leave oil, and leave the Middle East to 'mature'.

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Reply #33 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:52am

As long as the military runs on oil it will always be precious commodity.

Sometimes I've thought that maybe they (military complex) want everyone else off oil so they can have it all.

Don't forget though oil is not just energy in the form of petrol, diesel, lpg etc.

Oil is also plastics, chocolate wrappers, condoms and possibly every other creature comfort we take for granted.

No oil, no computers, cell phones etc etc.

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Reply #34 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:12am

Yes, no oil would have crippled western civilisation and that is why the US got up to its neck in the middle east because if they didn't either communism or radical islam would have in their place and then they would have strangled off oil supplies to the west in order to weaken it.

Imagine if those cry babies that sook about western backed dictators had to get around in a horse and cart instead of a car, they'd soon change their tune Grin

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Reply #35 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:14am

GordyL wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:28am:

AiA wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:40am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 9:38am:

Ajax wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:34am:

Why do you guys think petrol is so cheap, the west is trying to break the Russian economy and her grip on selling gas & oil to Europe.

From my reading of the UK's Daily Mail - this is not quite true.

The reason petrol is so cheap is that Saudi Arabia has strategically lowered the cost of its petroleum in order to make the cost of oil exploration and development by the US uneconomical.

The Gulf States have a vested interest in finding ways to prevent the US from becoming self-sufficient through development of its known oil reserves - hence the cheap cost per barrel.

It's the same rationale that lies behind China's export of cheap goods.

Had the USA not propped up the Saudi Regime all these decades the country would have experienced a bloody revolution long ago and now would probably be on solid ground. Instead, the worse is yet to come for the Saudis.

Maybe yes, maybe no.
Having SA stable and the world able to access cheap and reliable energy may have had a much more global stabilizing effect and created growth and prosperity that far outweighs the bullsh!t going in in the Middle East.
Who knows....

I do however think we have reached the time politically and technologically where it's time to leave oil, and leave the Middle East to 'mature'.

Who knows, right? We can say for sure that SA is a very fragile state, one that could disappear at any time.

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Reply #37 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 2:19pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:42am:

Ajax - your list there is a little deceptive.

Many of those items can be made with other materials - wood, metal, glass, cement, etc.

Herbie, first its not my list, second plastics are probably the easiest things to injection mould and turn into everyday items.

Third take away everything that is plastic in your life....!!

Start with your computer, flat TV and your cell phone.

What about your toilet seat, you want to sit on steel or concrete or glass...??

We all take oil products for granted, but can you imagine a world without them.

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Reply #38 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 3:09pm

Ajax wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 2:19pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:42am:

Ajax - your list there is a little deceptive.

Many of those items can be made with other materials - wood, metal, glass, cement, etc.

Herbie, first its not my list,

You presented it without making any qualifying remarks, and therefore one can assume it had your tacit endorsement.

Ajax wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 2:19pm:

second plastics are probably the easiest things to injection mould and turn into everyday items.

Irrelevant to the fact that it did little more than replace wood, bamboo, rattans and canes as a cheap and inferior substitute.

Ajax wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 2:19pm:

Third take away everything that is plastic in your life....!!

Not a problem.

Aluminium, glass, woods, bamboos, stainless steel etc. would substitute nicely.

In fact plastic is crap in the warmer climates like Australia has. The sun dries the plastic clothes pegs, garden hose fittings, ETC ETC ... causing products made out of plastic to crack and split and deconstruct in very short time.

Ajax wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 2:19pm:

What about your toilet seat, you want to sit on steel or concrete or glass...??

.. umm ... I prefer the wooden ones to the hollowed-out plastic toilet seats.

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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 11000 Australia Gender:	Re: A World War has begun .. Reply #39 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 3:19pm Some how Herbie I think you would be bitching the most if the convenience of petroleum products were some how removed from your life..................
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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: A World War has begun .. Reply #40 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 5:23pm None of those can't be replaced by other materials - not one.
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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 11000 Australia Gender:	Re: A World War has begun .. Reply #41 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 5:49pm Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 5:23pm: None of those can't be replaced by other materials - not one. Of course they can Herbie. Now you go tell the manufacturers to change their tooling.
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Reply #42 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 6:26pm

World War 3 began when ISIS declared a Jihad on the West.

Welcome to World War 3 which has begun with isolated incidents across the world, these will multiply incredibly as ISIS begins to get more traction, this is inevitable.

There is no end to this War it could go on for centuries just like the basket case Middle East has fought forever it will now share this delight with the West.

Welcome to the high tech world which has introduced medieval Islam into its midst and....we have invited them in.

Like the 12,000 coming into a Country soon. How many sleepers for ISIS will there be in that 12,000...who knows. Any will be too many.

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Reply #43 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:38pm

red baron wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 6:26pm:

World War 3 began when ISIS declared a Jihad on the West.

Welcome to World War 3 which has begun with isolated incidents across the world, these will multiply incredibly as ISIS begins to get more traction, this is inevitable.

There is no end to this War it could go on for centuries just like the basket case Middle East has fought forever it will now share this delight with the West.

Welcome to the high tech world which has introduced medieval Islam into its midst and....we have invited them in.

Like the 12,000 coming into a Country soon. How many sleepers for ISIS will there be in that 12,000...who knows. Any will be too many.

Just remember Baron - when the shooting starts - leave the politicians to me and my Dirty Dozen. They can run - but they won't be able to hide. No disappearing to Paraguay or Argentina on cargo ships.

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