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ABC vs the Australian on climate science
Mar 23rd, 2016 at 10:38pm
 
Have a look at the two articles about the same research below - one from the ABC and the other from the Australian. It looks to me like some very dodgy reporting by the Australian. Some key differences:

The Australian claims that the study found a 5% increase in respiration rate, compared to the "predicted" 23%. The ABC claims that both of these numbers are measurement from the study. The Australian opens the article with an attack on cliamte change modeling.

The ABC describes the research in detail and highlights the lack of basic science. The Australian describes it as "the most comprehensive global analysis of its kind".

The ABC points out the plants tend to be a net carbon sink, and that researchers fear this could be reversed by temperature increases. The Australian adds 'perspective' with this: "Worldwide, plants are thought to pump out about 60 billion tonnes of CO2 a year — about six times what humans produce by burning fossil fuels."

The ABC article describes the 'net source' problem as a possible 'overprediction', whereas the Australian describes it as an incorrect assumption.

The ABC gives the lead scientist's name. The Australian does not, refering to them as "the researchers". It took me a long time to find the article in The Australian online, even after I found the ABC article and head read the hard copy Australian.

The Australian describes it as an "Australian-led study" of North American trees, and also as a "worldwide study" that  backed "Australian research findings". The ABC points out that the lead researcher is a scientific advoser at Sydney University Hawkesbury Institute for the Environment, where Australian colleagues did similar work with Eucalypts. The Australian named two local scientists, one of whom offered commentary that appears to support the attack on climate modeling.



http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-17/carbon-dioxide-from-plants-less-less-of-a-global-warming-problem/7248052

By Anna Salleh

Plant carbon dioxide may not make global warming worse, study suggests

Plants may be better at acclimatising to rising temperatures and contribute less to carbon dioxide in a warming world than some have previously thought, a new study suggests.

Key points:
Concern carbon dioxide from plant growth could make global warming worse in the future
Study suggests plants are better at acclimatising to rising temperatures than previously thought
This means they are less likely to become a net source of CO2 for the planet in the future

"Maybe some of our models are over-predicting the degree to which plant respiration will cause accelerating feedback that speeds up climate change," said Professor Peter Reich, an ecologist and plant physiologist from the University of Minnesota who led the study published today in Nature.

Plants absorb carbon dioxide through photosynthesis and release it when they burn sugar to produce energy in a process known as respiration.

For every 10 degrees Celsius of temperature increase, plants are known to double their rate of metabolism, which has led to fears that global warming will trigger a positive-feedback loop, switching plants from being a net carbon dioxide sink — absorbing more carbon dioxide than they release — to becoming a net source of the warming gas.

Sink or source? Models disagree

According to Dr Reich, however, the jury is still out on how big this problem is.

"The best models on the planet disagree wildly about what will happen in 40 or 50 years, with some saying that the land surfaces will still be a strong sink, but others saying they will become a big source," he said.

Part of the problem is there is a lack of basic science on plant respiration, especially how plants acclimatise to changing environments.

Maybe some of our models are over-predicting the degree to which plant respiration will cause accelerating feedback that speeds up climate change.

As temperatures increase, the enzymes involved in metabolism work faster so fewer enzymes and resources are needed to obtain the same amount of energy, and less carbon dioxide is produced.

How well this acclimatisation occurs will determine when, and if, plants switch from becoming a net sink to a net source of carbon dioxide.

To find out, the Dr Reich and his colleagues studied 10 North American tree species exposed to temperatures that are 3.4C above normal over several years in the field.

Experiments on North American trees

The researchers kept plots warm using above-ground infrared lamps and wires carrying electricity buried in the soil to simulate normal forest conditions. Temperature sensors connected to a computer controller ensured plot temperatures were kept stable.

In their extensive analysis, which involved supplementary lab experiments, Dr Reich and colleagues compared the respiration rate of trees acclimatised to "warm" plots and controls acclimatised to "ambient temperature" plots.

This turn-around from plants providing net sequestration to becoming a net source of carbon dioxide will take a lot longer if it happens at all.

They found that for the given 3.4C above normal, plants that had experienced the warming treatments increased respiration by only 5 per cent, while the controls increased respiration by a whopping 23 per cent.

Dr Reich said the findings reduce the likelihood that increased respiration in plants in a warming world would make global warming worse.
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Re: ABC vs the Australian on climate science
Reply #1 - Mar 23rd, 2016 at 10:39pm
 
"This turn-around from plants providing net sequestration to becoming a net source of carbon dioxide will take a lot longer, if it happens at all," he said.

Dr Reich said research with colleagues at the Western Sydney University Hawkesbury Institute for the Environment, where he is a scientific adviser, has found that Australian eucalypt trees also acclimatise at the same rate as the North American species.

He said the findings should apply to rainforest species, which have the same "machinery" for respiration, however to be sure these species would need to be tested.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/climate/global-study-backs-australian-research-on-carbon/news-story/57c2729038a7af4091c0735838cad6f1

John Ross - Higher Education reporter - Sydney

Global study backs Australian research on carbon

A worldwide study has backed Australian research findings that warming temperatures will not trigger runaway climate change caused by plants belching out more carbon dioxide.

The most comprehensive global analysis of its kind has found that climate change models have overestimated the increase in plant “respiration” triggered by rising temperatures.

“Most biosphere models incorrectly assume that respiration ­increases exponentially with rising temperature, with profound ­effects for predicted ecosystem carbon exchange,” the researchers report this morning in the journal PNAS.

“(Our finding) markedly lowers simulated respiration rates … (with) profound consequences for estimates of future surface temperatures.”

While plants absorb CO2, they also release it as a byproduct when they convert sugars into energy. Worldwide, plants are thought to pump out about 60 billion tonnes of CO2 a year — about six times what humans produce by burning fossil fuels.

Plants respire faster when it gets hotter, triggering fears that global temperatures could reach a tipping point and trigger a mass release of greenhouse gas from trees. But an Australian-led study, published last week in the journal ­Nature, found the increase was far smaller than had been expected.

In that study, researchers raised temperatures by 3.4C in forest plots containing 10 different North American trees, and measured the leaves’ reaction over a five-year period.

They found that the trees ­“acclimatised” to the rising temperatures so that the respiration rate increased by about 5 per cent — not the 23 per cent predicted.

The new study involved 231 plant species from seven vastly different habitats, from Australian savannas to Arctic tundras.

It analysed plants’ responses over far smaller timeframes — as little as 45 minutes — while heating individual leaves.

The researchers again found the increased respiration rates eased. “Some ecosystems are releasing a lot less CO2 thorough plant respiration than we ... thought,” said co-author Kevin Griffin of Columbia University.

Western Sydney University ecologist Mark Tjoelker said the findings suggested predictions about plant respiration had been oversimplified, with scientists incorrectly inferring that “temperature sensitivity” remained constant as leaves warmed up.

“Currently, climate models ­assume that respiration doubles for each 10C rise in temperature,” he said.

Australian National University plant biologist Owen Atkin, who also co-authored the paper, said the findings were “remarkably similar” across all the plants studied. “It suggests some sort of commonality in the way plants are coping with their environments, in a way we don’t yet understand.”
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Re: ABC vs the Australian on climate science
Reply #2 - Mar 24th, 2016 at 10:39am
 
As I posted yesterday it is bullshit research.

'First, the data behind this parameterisation are measured at leaf scale; it has not been confirmed that the differences among PFTs observed at this scale also emerge at canopy/ecosystem scale.

In light of our results, there is an urgent need for future work which tests how the stomatal parameterisation (g1, the sensitivity of the conductance to the assimilation rate, see material and methods) scales from the leaf to the canopy/ecosystem. Secondly, we have assumed all vegetation to have the same drought sensitivity.

http://www.nature.com/articles/srep23418

parameterisation? tortured "data"?

Junk science. Send more money.
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Re: ABC vs the Australian on climate science
Reply #3 - Mar 24th, 2016 at 11:22am
 
freediver wrote on Mar 23rd, 2016 at 10:38pm:
Have a look at the two articles about the same research below - one from the ABC and the other from the Australian. It looks to me like some very dodgy reporting by the Australian. Some key differences:

The ABC describes the research in detail and highlights the lack of basic science. The Australian describes it as "the most comprehensive global analysis of its kind".


I have both the ABC and the Australian in my facebook feed and it is astonishingly how different the two media outlets report the same story (such as this case).

The Australian is purely idealogically driven. Most of it's articles have poor science. The worst was when they quoted an ECONOMIST when trying to discredit global warming.
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Re: ABC vs the Australian on climate science
Reply #4 - Mar 24th, 2016 at 1:13pm
 
Good observation, FD. The Australian is a private newspaper that aims to reflect the views of its owner, Rupert Murdoch. It's not subject to any laws or regulation, aside from civil libel laws. The Australian can pretty much say what it likes, and does. It aims to be an ideological mouthpiece for a particular political agenda. Market forces don't effect it - the Australian costs News Ltd millions each year. Rupert's "B' list shareholders foot the bill.

The ABC, on the other hand, is a public broadcaster. It is subject to comprehensive federal broadcast laws - laws that don't effect print media. The ABC is not allowed to knowingly tell porkies, for example - a law the Australian is exhempt from. The ABC is also the subject of a public charter, written into the Broadcasting Act. Chairpersons and board members can be sacked or told what to do by the government, and regularly are. Crucially, viewers and listeners can complain to the ABC, which receives hundreds of complaints and comments a day. Unresolved complaints can be taken to the ABC tribunal, which can also sack ABC employees and tell them what to do.

Readers of the Australian can complain by way of a letter to the Editor.

Such checks and balances shape the willingness of these media to present facts objectively. The ownership of these media also influences their willingness to tell the truth, or which parts of the truth are profitable to them and their friends.

The Australian is part of the News Ltd busines model - a model replicated in every English speaking country. The tabloids make the money and influence the masses, and the broadsheets are funded to influence the business and political decision makers. The Times in the UK and the Wall Street Journal in the US perform the broadsheet role, shared with the Sun and Mirror in the UK and the New York Post in the US. Alongside this, Rupert buys up pay TV to grab TV audiences and influence the 24 hour news cycle. The more influence he has in the press, the more he is able to influence laws to get a monopoly in other media.

This is the Murdoch business model, which includes his influence in politics and elections. The Leveson Inquiry in the UK showed how much influence Rupert has. Rupert is able to get ministers sacked with a phone call from an editor. He is able to print dirt, and he is more than willing to break the law to do this. Ultimately, he is able to get prime ministers elected, get his friends on their staff, and shape their media policy for his own interests. This is the real Murdoch business model.

Rupert's agenda includes getting public broadcasters out of internet news. He sees the ABC and BBC as unfair competition to his paywall news services. In Australia, this agenda has spread to all ABC services, including television. Rupert's mouthpieces - Miranda Divine, Andrew Bolt and Piers Ackerman cheerfully repeat this message. It was highly influential on Tony Abbott, who spent much of his reign conducting petty attacks on the ABC (and some not so petty).

These are the forces that shape the presentation of your facts, FD. Ultimately, it's how we establish facts and reach consensus - or not. The Australian is Murdoch's conservative Australian spearhead. Part of its agenda is to critique AGW, and like everything else it does, it does this as part of its business model. Murdoch and his staff are allied with conservative lobby groups like the Institute of Public Affairs. The clients of these groups include the fossil fuel industry - one of the most profitable industries in the world and one with very deep pockets. The combined lobbying/PR costs of companies like Shell, BP, Total, BHP and Rio Tinto, etc, would match the GDP of a small European country. The private media has a stake in this.

The ABC is bound under its charter to neutrality. Unlike News Ltd's advertisers, it has no business stake in this debate. It does not employ lobbyists or staffers who's entire role is to get politicians elected and shape policy. It's manager (it has no owner) does not Tweet messages about sacking prime ministers' chiefs of staff, for example - Tweets that get front page attention and weeks worth of editorial. If this ever happened, they be justifiably sacked.

Murdoch has a loud voice. He is able to shape truth. Your article shows just how this is done.
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Re: ABC vs the Australian on climate science
Reply #5 - Mar 24th, 2016 at 5:11pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 11:22am:
freediver wrote on Mar 23rd, 2016 at 10:38pm:
Have a look at the two articles about the same research below - one from the ABC and the other from the Australian. It looks to me like some very dodgy reporting by the Australian. Some key differences:

The ABC describes the research in detail and highlights the lack of basic science. The Australian describes it as "the most comprehensive global analysis of its kind".


I have both the ABC and the Australian in my facebook feed and it is astonishingly how different the two media outlets report the same story (such as this case).

The Australian is purely idealogically driven. Most of it's articles have poor science. The worst was when they quoted an ECONOMIST when trying to discredit global warming.



ironic isnt it that Labors former Climate Change spokeman -  Ross Garnaut was.... AN ECONOMIST.
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Reply #6 - Mar 24th, 2016 at 5:12pm
 
BOTH reports still claim the results are premature. contradictory and of little primary value.  They may have BOTH put their ideological slants on it, but they both concluded it meant very little.
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Reply #7 - Mar 24th, 2016 at 6:54pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 5:11pm:
ironic isnt it that Labors former Climate Change spokeman -  Ross Garnaut was.... AN ECONOMIST.




Uh oh  Grin, next you'll be telling us that Labors other climate change expert was a paleontologist  Cheesy
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Re: ABC vs the Australian on climate science
Reply #8 - Mar 24th, 2016 at 7:33pm
 
innocentbystander. wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 6:54pm:
Uh oh  Grin, next you'll be telling us that Labors other climate change expert was a paleontologist



Is that the one who bought riverside properties despite apparently accelerating rising sea levels? Wink
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Re: ABC vs the Australian on climate science
Reply #9 - Mar 24th, 2016 at 7:41pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 5:11pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 11:22am:
freediver wrote on Mar 23rd, 2016 at 10:38pm:
Have a look at the two articles about the same research below - one from the ABC and the other from the Australian. It looks to me like some very dodgy reporting by the Australian. Some key differences:

The ABC describes the research in detail and highlights the lack of basic science. The Australian describes it as "the most comprehensive global analysis of its kind".


I have both the ABC and the Australian in my facebook feed and it is astonishingly how different the two media outlets report the same story (such as this case).

The Australian is purely idealogically driven. Most of it's articles have poor science. The worst was when they quoted an ECONOMIST when trying to discredit global warming.



ironic isnt it that Labors former Climate Change spokeman -  Ross Garnaut was.... AN ECONOMIST.


Garnaut never pretended to be a scientist
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Reply #10 - Mar 24th, 2016 at 9:10pm
 
The climate change debate needs economists just as much as it needs scientists. No amount of science is going to help you if you spend 10X more than you need to trying to fix the problem, which is what we typically do.
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Reply #11 - Mar 25th, 2016 at 7:33am
 
freediver wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 9:10pm:
The climate change debate needs economists just as much as it needs scientists. No amount of science is going to help you if you spend 10X more than you need to trying to fix the problem, which is what we typically do.



ten times is about average.  But how much money are these bozos going to need to spend to effect change on a climate system that we cant change anyhow and does what it wants regardless?  the literal bottomless well is ahead of us.
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Reply #12 - Mar 26th, 2016 at 1:45pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 7:33am:
freediver wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 9:10pm:
The climate change debate needs economists just as much as it needs scientists. No amount of science is going to help you if you spend 10X more than you need to trying to fix the problem, which is what we typically do.



ten times is about average.  But how much money are these bozos going to need to spend to effect change on a climate system that we cant change anyhow and does what it wants regardless?  the literal bottomless well is ahead of us.

We already are changing it!

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