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Re: Jacqui Lambie Said She Wont Be Blackmailed
Reply #120 - Mar 25^th, 2016 at 4:42pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 1:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 12:49pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 12:44pm:

Ajax wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 9:32am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2016 at 7:11am:

Everyone knows unions are shockingly corrupt and have a tonne of bullying thugs in their ranks to keep people quiet.
They need to be looked at.

And the political system is any different....????

my local MP doesnt force his way into my office. My state senator doesnt beat up my employers or drage them away from work for 'meetings'.

BIG DIFFERNCE

really? union rep beat up an employer? when did that happen?

I think he's getting confused with that Liberal Prime Minister who punched one young woman, and sexually assaulted another.

Yes, that must be it.

Longy wouldn't lie.

im talking about the rapist leader from the other side of the house.

longstupidone just making crap up again Cheesy

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: Jacqui Lambie Said She Wont Be Blackmailed
Reply #121 - Mar 25^th, 2016 at 5:58pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 6:28am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 8:18pm:

Jacqui Lambie Said She Wont Be Blackmailed

It should not even be legal to blackmail senators as is clearly the case here.

The Lib supporters clearly do not care how distant the current government maintain themselves away from any form of integrity.

So then what do you think of her blackmailing the government over a Defence pay rise?

I don't think that one person taking a stand over a policy she believes in is in the same class as a whole party holding the threat of job loss over the head of senators in order to bully the senate into making a vote they know they would otherwise not be willing to make.

This is clearly bullying, intimidation, blackmail and shows a government seriously lacking in integrity.

Not only that it is a call from a PM who's first commitment in office was a guarantee to go full term.

And they said that Abbott was dishonest ?

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Re: Jacqui Lambie Said She Wont Be Blackmailed
Reply #122 - Mar 25^th, 2016 at 6:42pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 12:43pm:

Labor voter wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 8:47am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 6:28am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 8:18pm:

Jacqui Lambie Said She Wont Be Blackmailed

It should not even be legal to blackmail senators as is clearly the case here.

The Lib supporters clearly do not care how distant the current government maintain themselves away from any form of integrity.

So then what do you think of her blackmailing the government over a Defence pay rise?

Difference is she was blackmail the government for the defence force personal not for big business like the government is doing to the senators

so there is GOOD blackmail and BAD blackmail?

i look forward to your studies on ethics where you try and argue that one.

What would you call good blackmail and bad blackmail longy

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Opinions are like arseholes everyone got one.

It doesn't mean that your opinion or my opinion is right

See my post in the welcome thread reply #575 and you will know what I am like

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Re: Jacqui Lambie Said She Wont Be Blackmailed
Reply #123 - Mar 25^th, 2016 at 6:51pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 12:43pm:

Labor voter wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 8:47am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 6:28am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 8:18pm:

Jacqui Lambie Said She Wont Be Blackmailed

It should not even be legal to blackmail senators as is clearly the case here.

The Lib supporters clearly do not care how distant the current government maintain themselves away from any form of integrity.

So then what do you think of her blackmailing the government over a Defence pay rise?

Difference is she was blackmail the government for the defence force personal not for big business like the government is doing to the senators

so there is GOOD blackmail and BAD blackmail?

i look forward to your studies on ethics where you try and argue that one.

Do you notice a not so subtle difference between Lambie committing to vote against legislation being called blackmail and the Liberals threats to keep children indefinitely in detention if the senate does not vote for their poor policy or threatening the employment of senators if they do not support disgraceful legislation that the they know the senate does not support.

To me it seems to be a very different dimension including a strong element of bullying and intimidation that Lambie's actions did not.

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Re: Jacqui Lambie Said She Wont Be Blackmailed
Reply #124 - Mar 25^th, 2016 at 11:23pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 1:01pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 12:43pm:

Labor voter wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 8:47am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 6:28am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 8:18pm:

Jacqui Lambie Said She Wont Be Blackmailed

It should not even be legal to blackmail senators as is clearly the case here.

The Lib supporters clearly do not care how distant the current government maintain themselves away from any form of integrity.

So then what do you think of her blackmailing the government over a Defence pay rise?

Difference is she was blackmail the government for the defence force personal not for big business like the government is doing to the senators

so there is GOOD blackmail and BAD blackmail?

i look forward to your studies on ethics where you try and argue that one.

So an Independent holding out and refusing a vote without a quid pro quo is now 'blackmail'?

I look forward to the future of Australian politics...... when a member or senator can be thrown out of the House for refusing to abide by the demand of the ruling party that his/her vote go their way.... I mean - surely that government has a Mandate, and thus everyone else MUST be in lockstep with it...

Isn't that precisely what is behind the current 'legislation' to effectively remove Independents from the House and the Senate?

yes! she is not saying she will vote against a specific policy but against ALL bills. it is blackmail, pure and simple. I will enjoy her getting thrown out in the DD

Same applies - where is there any obligation on the part of any Senator to vote for any bill at all...... apart from those who are nothing but party lackeys...... and who in his/her right mind would vote for them?

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Jacqui Lambie Said She Wont Be Blackmailed Reply #125 - Mar 26^th, 2016 at 7:33am lee wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 2:07pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 1:03pm: I think he's getting confused with that Liberal Prime Minister who punched one young woman, Link Please. which young women did HE PUNCH?..
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Re: Jacqui Lambie Said She Wont Be Blackmailed
Reply #126 - Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:37am

cods wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 7:33am:

lee wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 2:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 1:03pm:

I think he's getting confused with that Liberal Prime Minister who punched one young woman,

Link Please.

which young women did HE PUNCH?..

I believe she was called Uni Wall or Room Wall....

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Re: Jacqui Lambie Said She Wont Be Blackmailed
Reply #127 - Mar 26^th, 2016 at 11:41am

Dnarever wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 5:58pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 6:28am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 8:18pm:

Jacqui Lambie Said She Wont Be Blackmailed

It should not even be legal to blackmail senators as is clearly the case here.

The Lib supporters clearly do not care how distant the current government maintain themselves away from any form of integrity.

So then what do you think of her blackmailing the government over a Defence pay rise?

I don't think that one person taking a stand over a policy she believes in is in the same class as a whole party holding the threat of job loss over the head of senators in order to bully the senate into making a vote they know they would otherwise not be willing to make.

This is clearly bullying, intimidation, blackmail and shows a government seriously lacking in integrity.

Not only that it is a call from a PM who's first commitment in office was a guarantee to go full term.

And they said that Abbott was dishonest ?

poor diddums... cannot handle the heat in the kitchen? this crossbench is known as the most irresponsible in history. now they get to choose between actually supporting the government - just for the novelty of it - or the dole queue.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Re: Jacqui Lambie Said She Wont Be Blackmailed
Reply #128 - Mar 26^th, 2016 at 5:14pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 11:23pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 1:01pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 12:43pm:

Labor voter wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 8:47am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 6:28am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 8:18pm:

Jacqui Lambie Said She Wont Be Blackmailed

It should not even be legal to blackmail senators as is clearly the case here.

The Lib supporters clearly do not care how distant the current government maintain themselves away from any form of integrity.

So then what do you think of her blackmailing the government over a Defence pay rise?

Difference is she was blackmail the government for the defence force personal not for big business like the government is doing to the senators

so there is GOOD blackmail and BAD blackmail?

i look forward to your studies on ethics where you try and argue that one.

So an Independent holding out and refusing a vote without a quid pro quo is now 'blackmail'?

I look forward to the future of Australian politics...... when a member or senator can be thrown out of the House for refusing to abide by the demand of the ruling party that his/her vote go their way.... I mean - surely that government has a Mandate, and thus everyone else MUST be in lockstep with it...

Isn't that precisely what is behind the current 'legislation' to effectively remove Independents from the House and the Senate?

yes! she is not saying she will vote against a specific policy but against ALL bills. it is blackmail, pure and simple. I will enjoy her getting thrown out in the DD

Same applies - where is there any obligation on the part of any Senator to vote for any bill at all...... apart from those who are nothing but party lackeys...... and who in his/her right mind would vote for them?

that whole 'democracy' thing is a mystery to you. isnt it? the way our representatives are actually supposed to REPRESENT us and not simply express their own views solely?

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Re: Jacqui Lambie Said She Wont Be Blackmailed
Reply #129 - Mar 26^th, 2016 at 5:56pm

That whole 'democracy' thing is a mystery to you. isn't it? The way our representatives are actually supposed to REPRESENT us and not simply express the views of a majority in their party solely, nor are they obliged to get into lockstep with the government of the day, but are required to actually respond to the views of the electorate, and actually have a conscience about rejecting bad legislation put forward?

You are not discussing democracy here, dear General Luong Yi - you are discussing a dictatorship of a quasi-elected government party, quasi for the simple reason that they are not elected on their own merits, but on the often very wrongful perception of the voting public that they are something more than party hacks intent on their self-enrichment, and happy to bite the pillow to follow the party line lest they lose their perks and entitlements and their rosy future.....

That is why Independents are precisely what we need here and now, and a limitation on the number of terms a person can remain in office..... and an abolition of the current government of two parties....

What part of 'democracy' tells you there is some demand on all elected representatives to abide by some mythical mandate of the governing party, when that 'mandate' always becomes nothing more than what they decide they want AFTER the election?

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Re: Jacqui Lambie Said She Wont Be Blackmailed
Reply #131 - Mar 26^th, 2016 at 6:43pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 5:56pm:

That whole 'democracy' thing is a mystery to you. isn't it? The way our representatives are actually supposed to REPRESENT us and not simply express the views of a majority in their party solely, nor are they obliged to get into lockstep with the government of the day, but are required to actually respond to the views of the electorate, and actually have a conscience about rejecting bad legislation put forward?

You are not discussing democracy here, dear General Luong Yi - you are discussing a dictatorship of a quasi-elected government party, quasi for the simple reason that they are not elected on their own merits, but on the often very wrongful perception of the voting public that they are something more than party hacks intent on their self-enrichment, and happy to bite the pillow to follow the party line lest they lose their perks and entitlements and their rosy future.....

That is why Independents are precisely what we need here and now, and a limitation on the number of terms a person can remain in office..... and an abolition of the current government of two parties....

What part of 'democracy' tells you there is some demand on all elected representatives to abide by some mythical mandate of the governing party, when that 'mandate' always becomes nothing more than what they decide they want AFTER the election?

you are truly an idiot, making it up as you go along. you really have no idea about democracy or how it is supposed to work. you are the kind of fool that would be happy with Stalin.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Jacqui Lambie Said She Wont Be Blackmailed Reply #132 - Mar 26^th, 2016 at 6:50pm Good on you Jackie for coming out and saying the Liberals policies have more holes in them than a target at a shooting range , reiterating what we all know after watching them flip flop , backflip and abandon just about every single policy they have come up with. Stick it up em Senate
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Re: Jacqui Lambie Said She Wont Be Blackmailed
Reply #133 - Mar 26^th, 2016 at 9:00pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 6:43pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 5:56pm:

That whole 'democracy' thing is a mystery to you. isn't it? The way our representatives are actually supposed to REPRESENT us and not simply express the views of a majority in their party solely, nor are they obliged to get into lockstep with the government of the day, but are required to actually respond to the views of the electorate, and actually have a conscience about rejecting bad legislation put forward?

You are not discussing democracy here, dear General Luong Yi - you are discussing a dictatorship of a quasi-elected government party, quasi for the simple reason that they are not elected on their own merits, but on the often very wrongful perception of the voting public that they are something more than party hacks intent on their self-enrichment, and happy to bite the pillow to follow the party line lest they lose their perks and entitlements and their rosy future.....

That is why Independents are precisely what we need here and now, and a limitation on the number of terms a person can remain in office..... and an abolition of the current government of two parties....

What part of 'democracy' tells you there is some demand on all elected representatives to abide by some mythical mandate of the governing party, when that 'mandate' always becomes nothing more than what they decide they want AFTER the election?

you are truly an idiot, making it up as you go along. you really have no idea about democracy or how it is supposed to work. you are the kind of fool that would be happy with Stalin.

My dear shir - it is YOU who would be happy with Hitler... since you believe that Der Fuhrerbefehlen is the only way to go..... Abbott or Costello or Hockey or Turnbull have your mythical 'mandate' - and thus everyone must bow down and say, YES when they give the order, and anyone who doesn't - even when vastly out-numbered and in fact the one under siege and under threat - is somehow engaging in 'blackmail' - even when those with the power and control are those seeking to impose their will.

You are frankly insane. I earnestly hope you have no children or grand-children.......

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Re: Jacqui Lambie Said She Wont Be Blackmailed
Reply #134 - Mar 26^th, 2016 at 9:08pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 11:41am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 5:58pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 6:28am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 24^th, 2016 at 8:18pm:

Jacqui Lambie Said She Wont Be Blackmailed

It should not even be legal to blackmail senators as is clearly the case here.

The Lib supporters clearly do not care how distant the current government maintain themselves away from any form of integrity.

So then what do you think of her blackmailing the government over a Defence pay rise?

I don't think that one person taking a stand over a policy she believes in is in the same class as a whole party holding the threat of job loss over the head of senators in order to bully the senate into making a vote they know they would otherwise not be willing to make.

This is clearly bullying, intimidation, blackmail and shows a government seriously lacking in integrity.

Not only that it is a call from a PM who's first commitment in office was a guarantee to go full term.

And they said that Abbott was dishonest ?

poor diddums... cannot handle the heat in the kitchen? this crossbench is known as the most irresponsible in history. now they get to choose between actually supporting the government - just for the novelty of it - or the dole queue.

Yes I knew you would support the lack of honesty, integrity and bullying with intimidation as good old fashioned dishonest liberal tactics.

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