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Reply #45 - Mar 21st, 2016 at 5:30pm
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 21st, 2016 at 3:47pm:
Melanias purse wrote on Mar 21st, 2016 at 3:36pm:
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As I have said before, and will say again.  Just because someone is unemployed it does not mean they want to work weekends, without the penalty rates.  Also just think what it would be like, if you have a work place, where people want to work weekends with the penalty rates.  Then you get some unemployed person coming along, and saying I  will work weekends without the penalty rates.  Can you see the problem this would cause?.   Sad 


I work Saturdays and get penalty rates. I can't see any harm in the extra rate on Sunday being scrapped.

There's no difference between Saturday and Sunday. Sunday is not a church day anymore. The current proposal is to bring weekend rates in line.

It makes sense to me.



Dropped mum off at church yesterday ... it was overflowing with fools. Of course Sunday is still a church day.


Yes, JS, but they changed the rules. You don’t go to hell anymore if you miss church.
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Reply #46 - Mar 21st, 2016 at 5:31pm
 
Melanias purse wrote on Mar 21st, 2016 at 5:30pm:
Yes, JS, but they changed the rules. You don’t go to hell anymore if you miss church.



someone forgot to tell mum Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #47 - Mar 21st, 2016 at 5:33pm
 
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Penalty rates provide crucial safety net for low-paid workers, Labor argues


The Guardian
Monday 21 March 2016


Penalty rates are a fundamental part of the safety net for low-paid workers and should not be scrapped, Labor argues in a submission to the Fair Work Commission.   Smiley

The commission is considering penalty rates in hospitality and retail jobs as part of its four-yearly review process.


Labor put in a submission to the review calling for penalty rates to be retained, in line with its previous comments on the matter.

“Australia’s economic outlook is uncertain, and likely to remain so in the near term,” its submission says. “The federal opposition submits that penalty rates continue to be a fundamental part of a strong safety net for Australian workers, enabling low income workers and workers in highly casualised industries to share in the nation’s economic prosperity.”

It says penalty rates are necessary for many workers to maintain their standard of living.

“Wages are also growing at their slowest rate since the 1990s, increasing by just 2.2% in 2015. The household saving ratio now stands at 7.6 – the lowest level since before the global financial crisis. It appears that Australians are feeling the impact of this slow growth and are dipping into their savings or putting less aside to cope with their increased costs of living,” the submission said.

Twice as many workers in the retail and hospitality sectors are employed on a casual basis compared with the wider Australian workforce, making the industries particularly sensitive to changes in penalty rates, Labor’s submission says.

“Hospitality workers are in the bottom 30% of Australian income earners. Along with hospitality and food services, retail has the largest proportion of low-paid workers in Australia,” the opposition leader, Bill Shorten, said. “Women make up a disproportionate share of workers in both the retail and hospitality sectors accounting for 55% of all those employed.

“[Prime minister Malcolm] Turnbull and his government have made it clear they want to scrap the weekend penalty rates thousands of workers and families rely on to make ends meet.   Angry


“Labor understands that for these workers weekend penalty rates are not a luxury, they are what pays the bills and puts food on the table.”

The Queensland Police Union of Employees is worried that changing penalty rates for one sector will lead to a flow-on impact for other workers, including emergency workers.

“Any proposal to reduce penalty rates is nothing more than an unfair and unjust money grab that will disadvantage the employees most deserving of just recompense for the impact shift work has on their health and lifestyle,” the union’s submission to the Fair Work Commission says.

The retail and catering industry association says penalty rates are stopping employers from hiring more workers.

“Many cafe and restaurant businesses close or scale back staffing to counter higher wage bills on Sundays,” the chief executive of the association, Jon Hart, said. “Sunday pay rates of up to 75% extra per hour can make businesses unprofitable, with operators often unable to break-even or run at a loss.”


His submission calls for Sunday rates to be scaled back to match Saturday rates, creating one weekend rate. The idea was supported by a Productivity Commission report into industrial relations, released in December.   Sad

The government pledged to hold consultations into the changes proposed in the productivity commission report.

At least one Liberal MP has made a submission to the Fair Work Commission calling for one single penalty rate across weekends and public holidays.

Employer groups have until 1 April to make a submission on penalty rates to the commission.
Penalty rates provide crucial safety net for low-paid workers, Labor argues





Bad use of terminology by labor. it is not a safety net. it is an increase in wage. that is not a safety net which would be a minimum weekly wage for example. it is just an increase in wage.

typical of labor to not know the difference.
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Reply #48 - Mar 21st, 2016 at 5:35pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2016 at 5:33pm:
it is an increase in wage.



that's been around for 100 years.

if you think it's an increase you should try waking up before going to work
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Reply #49 - Mar 21st, 2016 at 5:42pm
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 21st, 2016 at 5:35pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2016 at 5:33pm:
it is an increase in wage.



that's been around for 100 years.

if you think it's an increase you should try waking up before going to work


Longy doesn’t work, JS. He has a multi-million dollar business and writes the occasional children’s book. He is so successful, in fact, that he is able to keep a mistress up in a house in Sydney with her own Camry.

Hubby drives a Merc.
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Reply #50 - Mar 21st, 2016 at 6:00pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2016 at 5:33pm:
it is an increase in wage. that is not a safety net which would be a minimum weekly wage for example. it is just an increase in wage.


Incorrect.

Nobody is asking for an increase.
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Reply #51 - Mar 21st, 2016 at 6:06pm
 
Melanias purse wrote on Mar 21st, 2016 at 5:42pm:
He has a multi-million dollar business



posting on the net for the liberal party certainly pays well then. Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #52 - Mar 21st, 2016 at 7:30pm
 
More nonsense from those who want penalty rates to go. 

More crap about market - when the market is easily manipulated to benefit the more powerful - as can be seen by duopoly coles and etc.  By the time regulators come and go, it's too late for those small players/customers/workers.
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Reply #53 - Mar 22nd, 2016 at 12:41am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2016 at 5:33pm:


Bad use of terminology by labor. it is not a safety net. it is an increase in wage. that is not a safety net which would be a minimum weekly wage for example. it is just an increase in wage.

typical of labor to not know the difference.

you are babbling again. You forgot to take your little yellow pills.
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Reply #54 - Mar 22nd, 2016 at 8:24am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 21st, 2016 at 6:00pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2016 at 5:33pm:
it is an increase in wage. that is not a safety net which would be a minimum weekly wage for example. it is just an increase in wage.


Incorrect.

Nobody is asking for an increase.



it is a time-based increase on a standard wage, pedantic Public Servant.
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Reply #55 - Mar 22nd, 2016 at 10:18am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2016 at 8:24am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 21st, 2016 at 6:00pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2016 at 5:33pm:
it is an increase in wage. that is not a safety net which would be a minimum weekly wage for example. it is just an increase in wage.


Incorrect.

Nobody is asking for an increase.



it is a time-based increase on a standard wage, pedantic Public Servant.


Nobody is asking for an increase.

Penalty rates have been around for years.

Workers aren't asking for more money - employers are offering less.

Why do you support taking money away from some of the lowest paid workers in the country?

Answer that question, if you have the balls.

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Reply #56 - Mar 22nd, 2016 at 12:15pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 22nd, 2016 at 10:18am:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2016 at 8:24am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 21st, 2016 at 6:00pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2016 at 5:33pm:
it is an increase in wage. that is not a safety net which would be a minimum weekly wage for example. it is just an increase in wage.


Incorrect.

Nobody is asking for an increase.



it is a time-based increase on a standard wage, pedantic Public Servant.


Nobody is asking for an increase.

Penalty rates have been around for years.

Workers aren't asking for more money - employers are offering less.

Why do you support taking money away from some of the lowest paid workers in the country?

Answer that question, if you have the balls.




you seem to be a pedant but only on your own arguments. for all others you are OBTUSE.  penalty rates are  - and always be - a time-based  increase to a standard wage.
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Reply #57 - Mar 22nd, 2016 at 3:18pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 22nd, 2016 at 10:18am:
Why do you support taking money away from some of the lowest paid workers in the country?

Answer that question, if you have the balls.



If you offer someone a new job at the 'normal' rate of pay, without penalty rates then its not taking money away from them.

If however penalty rates prevent a business from opening and employing people at normal rates it's taking money away from an unemployed people who may want that work.
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Reply #58 - Mar 22nd, 2016 at 3:54pm
 
Swagman wrote on Mar 22nd, 2016 at 3:18pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 22nd, 2016 at 10:18am:
Why do you support taking money away from some of the lowest paid workers in the country?

Answer that question, if you have the balls.



If you offer someone a new job at the 'normal' rate of pay, without penalty rates then its not taking money away from them.

If however penalty rates prevent a business from opening and employing people at normal rates it's taking money away from an unemployed people who may want that work.

Employers know the rules when they buy/start a business if they are not prepared to pay the correct wages for penalty rates they should not go in to business in the first place.
When the country comes to a stand still because cops, fireman and hospitals are closed due to no staff prepared to work and anarchy rules it will be the likes of you to blame.
I hope you and those like you are the most affected.
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Reply #59 - Mar 22nd, 2016 at 4:11pm
 
Businesses work when there are are paying customers.  You can reduce costs to zero and it will be pointless when your boss cuts your pay.  Might give you more time to make up for it, but then you have less time to consume so businesses that rely "per hour" services lose out then.
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