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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Penalty rates Crucial Safety Net For Low Paid Reply #30 - Mar 21^st, 2016 at 11:12am Also, the next time you need the services of an emergency response worker, Ambo, copper, etc. or an after hours visit to EMD, just tell the workers involved how you dont think they should be getting penalty rates.
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Reply #31 - Mar 21^st, 2016 at 1:44pm

ian wrote on Mar 21^st, 2016 at 11:12am:

Also, the next time you need the services of an emergency response worker, Ambo, copper, etc. or an after hours visit to EMD, just tell the workers involved how you dont think they should be getting penalty rates.

Public servants are an even better example example of how penalty rates keep people unemployed.

Are there unemployed emergency response workers, Ambos, coppers etc? Huh

I'm sure there are plenty.

Why do tax payers pay these people up to DOUBLE for the same work whilst others who want work are on the dole queue? Roll Eyes

If on the other hand there is a lack of supply of emergency personnel outside 'normal' hours then the market pushes up the price.

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Reply #32 - Mar 21^st, 2016 at 1:50pm

Swagman wrote on Mar 21^st, 2016 at 1:44pm:

Why do tax payers pay these people up to DOUBLE for the same work ?

"Penalty rates have long protected the Australian weekend.

"For over a hundred years they have incentivized irregular hours of work and compensated working families for the time apart."

The McKell Institute

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Penalty rates Crucial Safety Net For Low Paid Reply #33 - Mar 21^st, 2016 at 1:51pm Swagman wrote on Mar 21^st, 2016 at 1:44pm: I'm sure there are plenty. are you? you realise your fantasy isn't considered fact, right? Police already have trouble recruiting WITH penalty rates. What do you think would happen if you removed them?
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Reply #34 - Mar 21^st, 2016 at 2:51pm

Swagman wrote on Mar 21^st, 2016 at 1:44pm:

ian wrote on Mar 21^st, 2016 at 11:12am:

Also, the next time you need the services of an emergency response worker, Ambo, copper, etc. or an after hours visit to EMD, just tell the workers involved how you dont think they should be getting penalty rates.

Public servants are an even better example example of how penalty rates keep people unemployed.

Are there unemployed emergency response workers, Ambos, coppers etc? Huh

I'm sure there are plenty.

Why do tax payers pay these people up to DOUBLE for the same work whilst others who want work are on the dole queue? Roll Eyes

If on the other hand there is a lack of supply of emergency personnel outside 'normal' hours then the market pushes up the price.

Sure, lets just grab a few straight off the dole queue and put them in charge of saving your life while underpaying them. Im all for it.

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Reply #35 - Mar 21^st, 2016 at 3:06pm

As I have said before, and will say again. Just because someone is unemployed it does not mean they want to work weekends, without the penalty rates. Also just think what it would be like, if you have a work place, where people want to work weekends with the penalty rates. Then you get some unemployed person coming along, and saying I will work weekends without the penalty rates. Can you see the problem this would cause?. Sad

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Reply #36 - Mar 21^st, 2016 at 3:36pm

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As I have said before, and will say again. Just because someone is unemployed it does not mean they want to work weekends, without the penalty rates. Also just think what it would be like, if you have a work place, where people want to work weekends with the penalty rates. Then you get some unemployed person coming along, and saying I will work weekends without the penalty rates. Can you see the problem this would cause?. Sad

I work Saturdays and get penalty rates. I can't see any harm in the extra rate on Sunday being scrapped.

There's no difference between Saturday and Sunday. Sunday is not a church day anymore. The current proposal is to bring weekend rates in line.

It makes sense to me.

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Sir Crook Ex Member	Re: Penalty rates Crucial Safety Net For Low Paid Reply #37 - Mar 21^st, 2016 at 3:40pm For some people Sunday is still a church day.
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Reply #38 - Mar 21^st, 2016 at 3:41pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 21^st, 2016 at 1:51pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 21^st, 2016 at 1:44pm:

I'm sure there are plenty.

are you? you realise your fantasy isn't considered fact, right?

Police already have trouble recruiting WITH penalty rates. What do you think would happen if you removed them?

As the rest of my post that you ignored stated....

Swagman wrote on Mar 21^st, 2016 at 1:44pm:

If on the other hand there is a lack of supply of emergency personnel outside 'normal' hours then the market pushes up the price.

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Reply #39 - Mar 21^st, 2016 at 3:43pm

ian wrote on Mar 21^st, 2016 at 2:51pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 21^st, 2016 at 1:44pm:

ian wrote on Mar 21^st, 2016 at 11:12am:

Also, the next time you need the services of an emergency response worker, Ambo, copper, etc. or an after hours visit to EMD, just tell the workers involved how you dont think they should be getting penalty rates.

Public servants are an even better example example of how penalty rates keep people unemployed.

Are there unemployed emergency response workers, Ambos, coppers etc? Huh

I'm sure there are plenty.

Why do tax payers pay these people up to DOUBLE for the same work whilst others who want work are on the dole queue? Roll Eyes

If on the other hand there is a lack of supply of emergency personnel outside 'normal' hours then the market pushes up the price.

Sure, lets just grab a few straight off the dole queue and put them in charge of saving your life while underpaying them. Im all for it.

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Reply #40 - Mar 21^st, 2016 at 3:46pm

Swagman wrote on Mar 21^st, 2016 at 3:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 21^st, 2016 at 1:51pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 21^st, 2016 at 1:44pm:

I'm sure there are plenty.

are you? you realise your fantasy isn't considered fact, right?

Police already have trouble recruiting WITH penalty rates. What do you think would happen if you removed them?

As the rest of my post that you ignored stated....

Swagman wrote on Mar 21^st, 2016 at 1:44pm:

If on the other hand there is a lack of supply of emergency personnel outside 'normal' hours then the market pushes up the price.

rubbish ... you'll end up with a far inferior service before you end up with people voluntarily paying more.

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Reply #41 - Mar 21^st, 2016 at 3:47pm

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 21^st, 2016 at 3:36pm:

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As I have said before, and will say again. Just because someone is unemployed it does not mean they want to work weekends, without the penalty rates. Also just think what it would be like, if you have a work place, where people want to work weekends with the penalty rates. Then you get some unemployed person coming along, and saying I will work weekends without the penalty rates. Can you see the problem this would cause?. Sad

I work Saturdays and get penalty rates. I can't see any harm in the extra rate on Sunday being scrapped.

There's no difference between Saturday and Sunday. Sunday is not a church day anymore. The current proposal is to bring weekend rates in line.

It makes sense to me.

Dropped mum off at church yesterday ... it was overflowing with fools. Of course Sunday is still a church day.

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Penalty rates Crucial Safety Net For Low Paid Reply #42 - Mar 21^st, 2016 at 3:47pm Quote: For some people Sunday is still a church day. ....make sure you double your donation you put on the collection plate on Sundays Crook.....can't have the minister getting short changed his penalty rates
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Reply #43 - Mar 21^st, 2016 at 3:49pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 21^st, 2016 at 3:47pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 21^st, 2016 at 3:36pm:

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As I have said before, and will say again. Just because someone is unemployed it does not mean they want to work weekends, without the penalty rates. Also just think what it would be like, if you have a work place, where people want to work weekends with the penalty rates. Then you get some unemployed person coming along, and saying I will work weekends without the penalty rates. Can you see the problem this would cause?. Sad

I work Saturdays and get penalty rates. I can't see any harm in the extra rate on Sunday being scrapped.

There's no difference between Saturday and Sunday. Sunday is not a church day anymore. The current proposal is to bring weekend rates in line.

It makes sense to me.

Dropped mum off at church yesterday ... it was overflowing with fools. Of course Sunday is still a church day.

....did you charge her double cab fare?

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Reply #44 - Mar 21^st, 2016 at 4:03pm

Swagman wrote on Mar 21^st, 2016 at 3:49pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 21^st, 2016 at 3:47pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 21^st, 2016 at 3:36pm:

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As I have said before, and will say again. Just because someone is unemployed it does not mean they want to work weekends, without the penalty rates. Also just think what it would be like, if you have a work place, where people want to work weekends with the penalty rates. Then you get some unemployed person coming along, and saying I will work weekends without the penalty rates. Can you see the problem this would cause?. Sad

I work Saturdays and get penalty rates. I can't see any harm in the extra rate on Sunday being scrapped.

There's no difference between Saturday and Sunday. Sunday is not a church day anymore. The current proposal is to bring weekend rates in line.

It makes sense to me.

Dropped mum off at church yesterday ... it was overflowing with fools. Of course Sunday is still a church day.

....did you charge her double cab fare?

you seem to not understand what 'work' is.

If I had to work Sunday, I would have been unable to drop mum off and it would have cost her about $25 taxi fare. My hourly rate for working, plus the taxi fare is about equal to double time. That's why people should be paid double time. Cheesy

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