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Reply #2820 - Aug 31st, 2016 at 10:14am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 30th, 2016 at 1:18pm:
ANy form of socialism? So universal healthcare, subsidised uni education etc?


Unless the user of these services pays a respectable share of the actual cost of the service, it's welfare-socialism. Getting services you haven't earned means, at a cost to someone else that did earn the costs, someone else has to pay for them.....that's socialism at it's finest.

Without a decent co-payment (50+%), eventually there will be more users than payers.....the incentive to earn will wane, & hello Greece ..... it's Déjà vu all over again.......it can't be avoided....can't be sustained long-term.....eventually that house of cards will tumble to the ground. Maybe not in most of our lifetimes, but it will come to pass nevertheless. Free Healthcare, & free secondary education is a misnomer....they are both rats that will chew at societies toes while you sleep....eventually you awake to no feet.  Sad

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Reply #2821 - Aug 31st, 2016 at 10:23am
 
Try pulling your head out of your ass, Panther.
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Reply #2822 - Aug 31st, 2016 at 10:33am
 
Marla wrote on Aug 31st, 2016 at 10:23am:
Try pulling your head out of your ass, Panther.


Try getting off your knees Marlushka....at least spit.
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Reply #2823 - Aug 31st, 2016 at 10:40am
 
Even your insults are as unoriginal as your inane posts.
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Reply #2824 - Aug 31st, 2016 at 10:53am
 
The degeneration into insult is why I rarely visit this thread now.
I won't name names. They know who they are.
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Reply #2825 - Aug 31st, 2016 at 11:04am
 
Panther wrote on Aug 31st, 2016 at 10:14am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 30th, 2016 at 1:18pm:
ANy form of socialism? So universal healthcare, subsidised uni education etc?


Unless the user of these services pays a respectable share of the actual cost of the service, it's welfare-socialism. Getting services you haven't earned means, at a cost to someone else that did earn the costs, someone else has to pay for them.....that's socialism at it's finest.

Without a decent co-payment (50+%), eventually there will be more users than payers.....the incentive to earn will wane, & hello Greece ..... it's Déjà vu all over again.......it can't be avoided....can't be sustained long-term.....eventually that house of cards will tumble to the ground. Maybe not in most of our lifetimes, but it will come to pass nevertheless. Free Healthcare, & free secondary education is a misnomer....they are both rats that will chew at societies toes while they sleep.  Sad




That's about my feelings on it.  I'm wunna dem despicable fence sitters who thinks there's good and horrendous points on both sides of politics.

I vote vaguely right these days but was a Labour voter  until it changed from being the Workers Party to the Shirkers Party. 
I'm a single white female self funded retiree so believe me, NO political Party gives a proverbial about me.  I can't find a 'representative' political candidate for my niche  at all.

So I vote for whoever is most likely to benefit No.1 'cos when it comes down to it if we take responsibility for ourselves then we'll have not only the right, but the means, to take care of those who fell through the cracks.   

I do not believe that socialism, 'small a' anarchy, or any of the other lefty fantasy ideologies nor any of the ubiquitous 'isms', takes into account the default self interest imperative inherent in human nature.

But I'm rambling.. sorry ... 
American politics has long been my circus of preference.  It's a bellwether of where OZ could be heading. 
I can't quite see either Clinton or Trump as real people, they're simply symbols of what people think politics is.

People (I hope) aren't seeing Trump as any type of political messiah leading them to prosperity.  He's just the brightest (orange?) clown in the ring at the moment and appeals to the maverick in us all, it's simply not as strong in some as others. 
 He's a flick of the bird to our political puppet masters.   

He's wishful thinking personified.  So was Obama, and we've seen how well that's gone.  So was Palmer here.  He flamed out a lot faster than Obama who has just fizzled. 
Does anyone really think Clinton represents anyone or thing beyond the Clinton bank account, or is she just wishful thinking too?

People are looking for Abe Lincoln but Abe's world is as dead and gone as he is.  We need to take stock and realise that good guys finish last in politics now. That's the only way we're going to cope with them continually breaking our hearts.

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Reply #2826 - Aug 31st, 2016 at 12:29pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Aug 31st, 2016 at 10:53am:
The degeneration into insult is why I rarely visit this thread now.
I won't name names. They know who they are.


Odd that you say this when you're the one who based this thread on hate and disinformation from the likes of Breitbart. If you want to read such drek of sexist and racism so-called journalism fine but when you repost it here be prepared to be called out on it.
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Reply #2827 - Aug 31st, 2016 at 4:09pm
 
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Reply #2828 - Aug 31st, 2016 at 11:43pm
 
Nice one, Sprinty.
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Reply #2829 - Sep 1st, 2016 at 12:08am
 
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Reply #2830 - Sep 2nd, 2016 at 1:37pm
 
thanks Marla

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Donald Trump is gaining ground on Hillary Clinton nationally.

The Republican nominee, who faced a mid-August deficit of nearly eight points in the RealClearPolitics head-to-head  polling average against Clinton, has cut that lead nearly in half.

Clinton on Thursday led Trump by 4.6 points in the head-to-head matchup, while her lead was down to 3.6 points in the polling average that includes Libertarian nominee Gary Johnson and Green Party nominee Jill Stein.

That came as a number of recent polls showed him increasingly close to the Democratic nominee. Wednesday polls from Fox News and Reuters showed Trump down 2 points in a four-way matchup against Clinton, Johnson, and Stein, while a poll from Rasmussen, a right-leaning polling outlet, showed him with a 1 points lead.

Renowned statistician Nate Silver’s “Polls-plus” forecast on FiveThirtyEight Thursday showed Trump with a 30% chance of winning the election. Silver’s projections as recently as early August showed Clinton with a more-than 90% chance of winning in November.


http://www.businessinsider.com.au/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-polls-2016-9?r=US...
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Reply #2831 - Sep 2nd, 2016 at 1:42pm
 
I'm calling it for Trump now as long as he holds his present game plan, but I'm not putting any money on it.
It's just going to get worse from here for Clinton & vice versa.
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Reply #2832 - Sep 2nd, 2016 at 2:41pm
 
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Donald Trump went to Mexico & Won





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Make no mistake about it: Donald Trump's trip to Mexico was a resounding success.

After weeks of scrutiny over his credentials for higher office, his moral standing - even his sanity - Trump needed to restore some sense of legitimacy and strength to his flailing campaign. What better way to do so than to stand, statesman-like, next to the president of Mexico?

Trump played the role to perfection. Subdued and even solemn, he owned the proceedings. Trump chose when and how he wanted to visit Mexico, a country he has insulted and maligned for more than a year. He established the meeting's agenda, laying out a five-point plan for the bilateral relationship in a Trump presidency.

Trump even chose who got to ask questions during the brief news conference that followed the usual statements, deftly placing himself on equal footing with Pena Nieto.

A master of optics, Trump used the setting to his advantage, calling Pena Nieto "a friend" and conveniently shaking his hand for front-page-ready photos. He avoided anything resembling an apology and, albeit in more careful terms than before, stood by the construction of a border barrier.

Some slammed Trump for not demanding Pena Nieto pay for the infamous wall, but such criticism misses the point. Trump's goal in Mexico was not confrontation. In fact, it was the exact opposite: the international debut of "diplomatic Trump," a man who dutifully praises his host, stresses common ground over conflict.........



They'll (the Mexicans) be in shock & horror when their pesos start flowing into America, & they actually end up paying for the wall....like it or not.

The choice will not be theirs, nor will the ability to stop the flow.........unless, of course, all the workers stop sending the earnings they make in the USA back to Mexico, which will see Mexico the loser.....a $24 Billion Dollar a Year Loser, & which everyone knows, won't happen.

So like it or not, Mexico will have to pay for the wall if they want thier income to continue.
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Reply #2833 - Sep 2nd, 2016 at 3:03pm
 
SO still no idea how to make Mexico pay for it, gotcha.
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Reply #2834 - Sep 2nd, 2016 at 3:17pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 2nd, 2016 at 3:03pm:
SO still no idea how to make Mexico pay for it, gotcha.



Compelling Mexico to Pay for the Wall

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Introduction: The provision of the Patriot Act, Section 326 - the "know your customer" provision, compelling financial institutions to demand identity documents before opening accounts or conducting financial transactions is a fundamental element of the outline below. That section authorized the executive branch to issue detailed regulations on the subject, found at 31 CFR 130.120-121. It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year.

There are several ways to compel Mexico to pay for the wall including the following:

➤   On day 1 promulgate a "proposed rule" (regulation) amending 31 CFR 130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine "account" to include wire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United States.

➤    On day 2 Mexico will immediately protest. They receive approximately $24 billion a year in remittances from Mexican nationals working in the United States. The majority of that amount comes from illegal aliens. It serves as de facto welfare for poor families in Mexico. There is no significant social safety net provided by the state in Mexico.

➤   On day 3 tell Mexico that if the Mexican government will contribute the funds needed to the United States to pay for the wall, the Trump Administration will not promulgate the final rule, and the regulation will not go into effect.

Trade tariffs, or enforcement of existing trade rules: There is no doubt that Mexico is engaging in unfair subsidy behavior that has eliminated thousands of U.S. jobs, and which we are obligated to respond to; the impact of any tariffs on the price imports will be more than offset by the economic and income gains of increased production in the United States, in addition to revenue from any tariffs themselves. Mexico needs access to our markets much more than the reverse, so we have all the leverage and will win the negotiation. By definition, if you have a large trade deficit with a nation, it means they are selling far more to you than the reverse - thus they, not you, stand to lose from enforcing trade rules through tariffs (as has been done to save many U.S. industries in the past).
➤  Cancelling visas: Immigration is a privilege, not a right. Mexico is totally dependent on the United States as a release valve for its own poverty - our approvals of hundreds of thousands of visas to their nationals every year is one of our greatest leverage points. We also have leverage through business and tourist visas for important people in the Mexican economy. Keep in mind, the United States has already taken in 4X more migrants than any other country on planet earth, producing lower wages and higher unemployment for our own citizens and recent migrants.
➤  Visa fees: Even a small increase in visa fees would pay for the wall. This includes fees on border crossing cards, of which more than 1 million are issued a year. The border-crossing card is also one of the greatest sources of illegal immigration into the United States, via overstays. Mexico is also the single largest recipient of U.S. green cards, which confer a path to U.S. citizenship. Again, we have the leverage so Mexico will back down.



Mexico will beg Trump to take their money to pay for the wall......beg him!

They'll gladly pay $15+ Billion to make nicety, nice with the Donald rather than see the above!
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