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Reply #2745 - Aug 16th, 2016 at 6:00pm
 
Even if he loses, the issues he is raising are not going away. Ignoring, disnmissing, shouting down what 40% of Americans agree with is not something that will simply go away.
These issues must be dealt with politically or they will lead to  non-political rapture. It is the same in every country and the US and the West generally are no exeption - you can't ignore or dismiss 40% of the electorate



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Reply #2746 - Aug 16th, 2016 at 6:04pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 16th, 2016 at 6:00pm:
Even if he loses,



if?  Grin Grin
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Reply #2747 - Aug 16th, 2016 at 7:30pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 16th, 2016 at 6:04pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 16th, 2016 at 6:00pm:
Even if he loses,



if?  Grin Grin

Yeah.
Even if he loses, the issues he is raising are not going away. Ignoring, disnmissing, shouting down what 40% of Americans agree with is not something that will simply go away.
These issues must be dealt with politically or they will lead to  non-political rapture. It is the same in every country and the US and the West generally are no exeption - you can't ignore or dismiss 40% of the electorate
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Reply #2748 - Aug 16th, 2016 at 7:42pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 16th, 2016 at 7:30pm:
Ignoring, disnmissing, shouting down what 40% of Americans agree with



where'd you pull that number out off?
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Reply #2749 - Aug 16th, 2016 at 7:51pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 16th, 2016 at 7:42pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 16th, 2016 at 7:30pm:
Ignoring, disnmissing, shouting down what 40% of Americans agree with



where'd you pull that number out off?


I was going to ask him that, then I thought: "nah, what's the point?".

Trump is headed for defeat - that's all that matters.

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Reply #2750 - Aug 16th, 2016 at 7:54pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 16th, 2016 at 6:00pm:
Even if he loses, the issues he is raising are not going away. Ignoring, disnmissing, shouting down what 40% of Americans agree with is not something that will simply go away.
These issues must be dealt with politically or they will lead to  non-political rapture. It is the same in every country and the US and the West generally are no exeption - you can't ignore or dismiss 40% of the electorate






Same can be said about Bernie Sanders' supporters. They haven't disappeared along with the issues they care about.
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Reply #2751 - Aug 16th, 2016 at 10:38pm
 
or in Australia's case, the 49.9% of voters who voted for Labor.

Hopefully Sanders supports will remain true and vote for Clinton, as he asked them to.

I fail understand why people like The Creep.  Some men are obviously attracted to him... they long to be him, so he speaks the unspeakable things they dream of saying.  But seriously..?? The man is a trainwreck.

As for the Putin lovers..  Roll Eyes go and live in Russia,, yeah you Sprintcyclist, and see for yourself.
.  I think you must be a very young man, who has not really faced great difficulties in life... yet.




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Reply #2752 - Aug 17th, 2016 at 12:15pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 16th, 2016 at 7:30pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 16th, 2016 at 6:04pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 16th, 2016 at 6:00pm:
Even if he loses,



if?  Grin Grin

Yeah.
Even if he loses, the issues he is raising are not going away. Ignoring, disnmissing, shouting down what 40% of Americans agree with is not something that will simply go away.
These issues must be dealt with politically or they will lead to  non-political rapture. It is the same in every country and the US and the West generally are no exeption - you can't ignore or dismiss 40% of the electorate


Considering you only really need 50.1% of the vote, you can afford to ignore 40% easily.
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Reply #2753 - Aug 17th, 2016 at 12:57pm
 
Part of an email I had sent to me today:

"TRUMP HAS McCARRAN-WALTER ACT OF 1952 TO BACK HIM UP!
Here's an interesting historic fact that would seem to indicate that many, if not most, of the people we elect to go to Washington don't have the slightest idea of what laws already exist.

MacCarran Walter Act of 1952

Trump was recently severely criticized for suggesting that the U.S. should limit or temporarily suspend the immigration of certain ethnic groups, nationalities, and even people of certain religions (Muslims).  The criticisms condemned such a suggestion as, among other things, being “Un-American,” dumb, stupid, reckless, dangerous and racist.  Congressmen and Senators swore that they would never allow such legislation, and the president called such a prohibition on immigration unconstitutional.

It seems that the selective immigration ban is already law and has been applied on several occasions. Known as the McCarran-Walter Act, the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 allows for the
"Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by president.  Whenever the president finds that the entry of aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, the president may, by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or non-immigrants or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.”

The act was utilized by Jimmy Carter, no less, in 1979 to keep Iranians out of the United States, but he actually did more.  He made all Iranian students already here check in, and then he deported a bunch.  Seven thousand were found in violation of their visas, 15,000 Iranians were forced to leave the United States in 1979.

It is of note that the act requires that an applicant for immigration must be of good moral character and "attached to the principles of the Constitution.”
Since the Quran forbids Muslims to swear allegiance to the U.S. Constitution, technically, all Muslims should be refused immigration."


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Reply #2754 - Aug 17th, 2016 at 1:03pm
 
Vic wrote on Aug 17th, 2016 at 12:57pm:
Part of an email I had sent to me today:

"TRUMP HAS McCARRAN-WALTER ACT OF 1952 TO BACK HIM UP!
Here's an interesting historic fact that would seem to indicate that many, if not most, of the people we elect to go to Washington don't have the slightest idea of what laws already exist.

MacCarran Walter Act of 1952

Trump was recently severely criticized for suggesting that the U.S. should limit or temporarily suspend the immigration of certain ethnic groups, nationalities, and even people of certain religions (Muslims).  The criticisms condemned such a suggestion as, among other things, being “Un-American,” dumb, stupid, reckless, dangerous and racist.  Congressmen and Senators swore that they would never allow such legislation, and the president called such a prohibition on immigration unconstitutional.

It seems that the selective immigration ban is already law and has been applied on several occasions. Known as the McCarran-Walter Act, the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 allows for the
"Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by president.  Whenever the president finds that the entry of aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, the president may, by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or non-immigrants or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.”

The act was utilized by Jimmy Carter, no less, in 1979 to keep Iranians out of the United States, but he actually did more.  He made all Iranian students already here check in, and then he deported a bunch.  Seven thousand were found in violation of their visas, 15,000 Iranians were forced to leave the United States in 1979.

It is of note that the act requires that an applicant for immigration must be of good moral character and "attached to the principles of the Constitution.”
Since the Quran forbids Muslims to swear allegiance to the U.S. Constitution, technically, all Muslims should be refused immigration."





I believe that should be applied to muslims in Aust also.
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Reply #2755 - Aug 17th, 2016 at 1:38pm
 
The reason the anti-ban voice is so virulent, is because the ban is perfectly legal and morally justified. Prepare to be the object of vilification if you say you want to defend the West against its sworn enemy. But the ban needs to be part of a raft of policies that combat the spread of Islam. The relationship between secular governments and those which make Islam the state religion, must be carefully re-examined, because at present the relationship is mired in hypocracy. The price will be high, both financially, and in the loss of some personal freedoms that were cheap, before the enemy began operating a fifth column in our countries.

This is assymetrical war, and we need to learn how to fight it fast. Regular government warnings, as in any war, need to be made in contrast to “liberal” media excuses for religious fanatacism. A campaign needs to be waged comparing the benefits of the Western secular umbrella over multiculturalism, with the narrow, violent, and superstitious mono-culture imported into the West, called Islam.

Resident Moozlims must be required to re-affirm their acknowledgement of the supremacy of the Western value of pluralism, denounce violence, and know that purgury in these cases will have serious consequences. Those who refuse, are enemies of the state.
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Reply #2756 - Aug 17th, 2016 at 3:05pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Aug 17th, 2016 at 1:38pm:
The reason the anti-ban voice is so virulent, is because the ban is perfectly legal and morally justified. Prepare to be the object of vilification if you say you want to defend the West against its sworn enemy. But the ban needs to be part of a raft of policies that combat the spread of Islam. The relationship between secular governments and those which make Islam the state religion, must be carefully re-examined, because at present the relationship is mired in hypocracy. The price will be high, both financially, and in the loss of some personal freedoms that were cheap, before the enemy began operating a fifth column in our countries.

This is assymetrical war, and we need to learn how to fight it fast. Regular government warnings, as in any war, need to be made in contrast to “liberal” media excuses for religious fanatacism. A campaign needs to be waged comparing the benefits of the Western secular umbrella over multiculturalism, with the narrow, violent, and superstitious mono-culture imported into the West, called Islam.

Resident Moozlims must be required to re-affirm their acknowledgement of the supremacy of the Western value of pluralism, denounce violence, and know that purgury in these cases will have serious consequences. Those who refuse, are enemies of the state.



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Reply #2757 - Aug 17th, 2016 at 4:29pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 17th, 2016 at 12:15pm:
Considering you only really need 50.1% of the vote, you can afford to ignore 40% easily.


Wrong Bozak.....

In a Democracy you would be absolutely correct. The Majority Rules.

Unfortunately, it is a misconception here, & to many in America, that America is a Democracy, but the United States is not a Democracy.....

The American Founding Fathers did not want America to be a Democracy, so they decided that the form of government would be a   Constitutional Republic , which is based on democratic principals, but it adheres to the rule of law.....the United States Constitution....which spells out how Presidents are actually elected......amongst many, many other things.

In America the Majority does not 'rule'.

People go to the polls & they actually are voting for 'electors' in the   Electoral College . It is the electoral college that actually selects the President.....

In 2000 Al Gore actually got quite a few more votes nationally that George Bush, but he lost the Presidency......why, because George Bush received more Electoral College votes by winning the particular States that he did...... & therefore ....as outlined in the US Constitution...... he became the President Elect. Wink



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Reply #2758 - Aug 17th, 2016 at 8:57pm
 
Panther, your dismissal of the USA as a non-democracy is nit-picking. You could apply the same dismissal to all other democracies for one reason or another. It is almost impossible have pure democracy in any state where provinces have unequal populations. The most populace province will hold sway. And no method of choosing the head of state is superior to any other. They are just different. The USA is as much a democracy as Australia, France, Russia, South Africa, et cetera, et cetera.
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Reply #2759 - Aug 17th, 2016 at 10:48pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Aug 17th, 2016 at 8:57pm:
Panther, your dismissal of the USA as a non-democracy is nit-picking. You could apply the same dismissal to all other democracies for one reason or another. It is almost impossible have pure democracy in any state where provinces have unequal populations. The most populace province will hold sway. And no method of choosing the head of state is superior to any other. They are just different. The USA is as much a democracy as Australia, France, Russia, South Africa, et cetera, et cetera.


I wasn't dismissing anything or anyone........I was simply making reverent points in fact........I will reiterate....America wasn't founded as a democracy.....the Founding Fathers of the American Revolution despised pure democracy because they wanted Liberty & Freedom for all Americans, & to ensure the rights of the minority....they wanted the minority to have a true voice, that in a pure democracy they wouldn't have.

That desire of theirs back in 1776 gave birth to their Constitutional Republic.....founded on basic democratic principals, but administered & governed by the People's rule of law....the U.S. Constitution......ensuring Freedom & Liberty for over 230 years....surviving under great to poor leadership over that span.

Just a small fact that speaks volumes about priorities.....every U.S. President, every member of the U.S. Congress, every member of the U.S. Armed Forces, every law enforcement officer in all 50 States, every American leader at every level, swears an oath not to defend or protect a Country, nor a President, nor any Person, Government, or Flag......they swear an oath to preserve, protect, & defend the Constitution of the United States....first & foremost, from all enemies foreign or domestic. 

The United States Constitution is as precious to Americans as life itself.

Why?  It's because it belongs to them, & not to any government. It ensures their Rights, Freedoms & Liberty.

The Preamble to their Constitution:

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of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.









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