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Reply #180 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 9:02am

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 6:58am:

I am looking to Trump as a last chance for action.
Look at the last three presidencies.
Clinton virtually nothing. Bush a war that was a mistake. And Obama, the biggest promises of all and the biggest disgrace of all.
Nothing done for America at all in 24 years.

America's cities & infrastructure are crying out for renewal. I think this is a theme Trump should take up & run with now.
There is for eg an eviction epidemic going on in the cities now. A whole industry. This is the kind of thing that is at the root of America's troubles. It all comes down to a roof, food on the table, health.

It needs someone to stand up & be an FDR.

For starters, I think way too much faith is put in the notion that the President can bring about the changes the electorate may hope for, or the changes promised in election campaigns. With Americans, it is almost as if they want a King, or wizard with a magic wand.

I do not accept anti-Bill Clinton, and Obama propaganda.

If we are going to use FDR as some kind of benchmark, we have to remember that his country, and for that matter the rest of the world, were far less complex in those days.

As for Trump, I think he is an odious character. But while I welcome his remarks about Saudi Arabia and Islam in general, I don't think he will follow through. Perhaps not for lack of will. Saud and Islam have infiltrated the West in such ways that they can muster powerful, monied, resistance using American business against Trump and any change to the status of Muzlims in the West. Meanwhile on the street, Black Muzlims like Farrakan are already working against the secular state.

There are policies that can address the rise of Islam, but they are drastic and require a deliberate and measured strategy along with widespread honesty in the media about Islam's intentions concerning the West. Any piecemeal approach will only serve to disperse the righteous disgust with Muzlim atrocities. First of all, we in the West need to know our enemy, and make intelligent decisions to defeat the cult. I have not seen any indication of this intelligence in Trump's campaign.

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Re: President Donald J Trump
Reply #183 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 9:48am

Dnarever wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:27am:

capitosinora wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:32am:

Voting for Hillary Clinton means voting for third world war.

Is there any logic behind this statement or did you just want to make the silliest post on the topic ?

You would as is normal expect that the opposite was a higher probability.

The mad redneck rightard locking down the borders and insulting everyone else in the world would be much more of an issue in this area.

Hillari Clinton is supported by Neocons.

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Reply #184 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 9:50am

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 6:58am:

I am looking to Trump as a last chance for action.
Look at the last three presidencies.
Clinton virtually nothing. Bush a war that was a mistake. And Obama, the biggest promises of all and the biggest disgrace of all.
Nothing done for America at all in 24 years.

America's cities & infrastructure are crying out for renewal. I think this is a theme Trump should take up & run with now.
There is for eg an eviction epidemic going on in the cities now. A whole industry. This is the kind of thing that is at the root of America's troubles. It all comes down to a roof, food on the table, health.

It needs someone to stand up & be an FDR.

100% right.

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Reply #185 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 10:34am

innocentbystander. wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 9:37am:

That's definitely worth listening to. Schiff is probably right about tariffs and the state of the US economy. But I am not going to accept this idea that the government can be dismantled and America will become a highly efficient exporting economy.

That is a corny old line from the right. You will notice they always bitch about social programs. Remove social security, medicare, and pensions and the economy will be all rosy? That is so simplistic as to be hardly worth debate.

The only people who ever talk about reducing defense spending are actually in the military where they see private enterprise contractors supplying everything from toilet seats to tanks at massive gouging unquestioned prices.

And another thing: If good old free enterprise is going to contribute so much to saving America, how come the largest corporation in US history did not pay any tax for its last five years?

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Reply #186 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 10:45am

I realise the world was simpler in the days of FDR. But people were the same and corruption in government & business were the same.
The Republican party used to be what we would now call "progressive" if you go back to Theodore Roosevelt. Who was it broke the back of the steel & oil combines - not some smooth talking Hillary Clinton, it was a Republican. The same with labour laws and other things.

I think Trump wants to take the GOP back to that. In fact he talks about "taking our party back" which is really why the establishment hate him. The other haters are just bimbos & their male equivalent who understand nothing unless it's on a reality TV show.

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Reply #187 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 11:07am

issuevoter wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 10:34am:

That's definitely worth listening to. Schiff is probably right about tariffs and the state of the US economy. But I am not going to accept this idea that the government can be dismantled and America will become a highly efficient exporting economy.

That is a corny old line from the right. You will notice they always bitch about social programs. Remove social security, medicare, and pensions and the economy will be all rosy? That is so simplistic as to be hardly worth debate.

The only people who ever talk about reducing defense spending are actually in the military where they see private enterprise contractors supplying everything from toilet seats to tanks at massive gouging unquestioned prices.

And another thing: If good old free enterprise is going to contribute so much to saving America, how come the largest corporation in US history did not pay any tax for its last five years?

There is so much stuff that once its out of the bottle it can never be put back in, you can basically only fart about around the edges, welfare is a good example, the only way that you can get true welfare reform is to bankrupt the country.

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Reply #188 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 2:48pm

Donald Trump telling it as it is: The British are piss-weak when it comes to doing what they ought to be doing to combat terrorism.

Political Correctness and Coward Politics is still the prevailing ethic of David Cameron's Leftwing 'Conservative Party'.

If Trump gets elected, I'm going to enjoy the four years of no-nonsense commentary and criticism he'll be spreading around.

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Reply #190 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 3:39pm

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/16/republican-debate-isis-war-crimes

Anti-Isis proposals floated at Republican debate would likely be war crimes

Ted Cruz leads way as candidates discuss carpet-bombing and attacking terrorists’ families, despite Geneva Conventions ban on ‘indiscriminate attacks’

Carpet-bombed cities, world war three and internet blockades were among the images conjured up by Republican candidates for president on Tuesday night, as the hopefuls took bellicose rhetoric to new heights over the inconveniences of law and fact.

Earlier this month, Trump said the US should “take out” the families of militants to deter terrorism. On Tuesday he repeated his rationale for killing civilians: “I would be very, very firm with families. Frankly, that will make people think because they may not care much about their lives, but they do care, believe it or not, about their families’ lives.”

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Reply #191 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 5:28pm

While carpet bombing and taking out relatives of assassins may seem justified, these methods would not be a deterrent to further Muzlim atrocities. Its a pissy-assed small-minded view of the Muzlim Problem. These guys actually believe their own publicity.

They need to start at home by educating the public about the filth in the Koran. That is where terrorism begins. They also need to quarantine the problem, and be prepared to actually get the attention of Islam in a move that shows this is not a political policy, but a unified acceptance of Islam's declaration of war. Not a war on terrorism, a war against Islam and what it stands for.

To win a war, you have to hurt the enemy so bad they beg for mercy. To do that with Islam, we need to use their lack of morals.

And speaking filth. You know about all that hog-waste in Colorado? Mecca.

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Reply #192 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 5:35pm

innocentbystander. wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 11:07am:

issuevoter wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 10:34am:

That's definitely worth listening to. Schiff is probably right about tariffs and the state of the US economy. But I am not going to accept this idea that the government can be dismantled and America will become a highly efficient exporting economy.

That is a corny old line from the right. You will notice they always bitch about social programs. Remove social security, medicare, and pensions and the economy will be all rosy? That is so simplistic as to be hardly worth debate.

The only people who ever talk about reducing defense spending are actually in the military where they see private enterprise contractors supplying everything from toilet seats to tanks at massive gouging unquestioned prices.

And another thing: If good old free enterprise is going to contribute so much to saving America, how come the largest corporation in US history did not pay any tax for its last five years?

There is so much stuff that once its out of the bottle it can never be put back in, you can basically only fart about around the edges, welfare is a good example,

the only way that you can get true welfare reform is to bankrupt the country.

Wtf does this even mean Roll Eyes

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Reply #193 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 5:40pm

[quote author=Herbert link=1458353694/189#189 date=1459140790][quote author=innocentbystander. link=1458353694/187#187 date=1459127245]

There is so much stuff that once its out of the bottle it can never be put back in,
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Correct!

You can't put the sh*t back into the horse - but you [b][i]CAN[/i][/b] shoot the horse so that it doesn't sh*t all over your lounge room carpet any more.

8-)

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Trouble is you want to shoot all the horses and risk a stampede !

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Reply #194 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 5:43pm

[quote author=bobbythebat1 link=1458353694/190#190 date=1459143556][url]http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/16/republican-debate-isis-war-crimes[/url]

[highlight] Anti-Isis proposals floated at Republican debate would likely be war crimes[/highlight]

Ted Cruz leads way as candidates discuss carpet-bombing and attacking terrorists’ families, despite Geneva Conventions ban on ‘indiscriminate attacks’

Carpet-bombed cities, world war three and internet blockades were among the images conjured up by Republican candidates for president on Tuesday night, as the hopefuls took bellicose rhetoric to new heights over the inconveniences of law and fact.

Earlier this month, [highlight]Trump said the US should “take out” the families of militants to deter terrorism.[/highlight] On Tuesday he repeated his rationale for killing civilians: “I would be very, very firm with families. Frankly, that will make people think because they may not care much about their lives, but they do care, believe it or not, about their families’ lives.”
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He's risking a stampede because he wants to shoot all the horses!
The indoctrinated gave up their families, remember!!

Playing forcing moves doesn't mean you win!

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