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Reply #150 - Mar 25th, 2016 at 6:30pm
 
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greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 12:34pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 12:29pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 6:18pm:
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bogarde73 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2016 at 1:26pm:
Islamic evil in Brussels.


Apologist.

Do you think Islam is not a crucial motivating factor? They themselves say it is. Why do you think it isn't?



If you could find one of my posts where I state that Islam is not a crucial motivating factor, I would really like to see it.

I'll be here waiting so, off you go ...

So you must be also an apologist if you also recognise that Islam is a crucial motivator in these attacks.



Incorrect.

I recognise the motivation, but don't allow it to be used as an excuse.

I blame the individuals for the deaths.

The apologists blame a silly set of beliefs (and beliefs can't kill).

That's the difference, my boy.

Are you an apologist?




We all blame the individuals while recognising what motivates them. I don't see how you can separate these things. 

If an individual murders because of greed or whatever and we recognise that his motivation was greed and jail him (not jailing his motivation but the individual)  - how is that apology for anything? In any determination of crime, motive is crucial. Identifying motive is not an apology for anything.

You don't make sense.

Motive profiles suspects, it doesn't jail them: facts jail suspects!

Motives are important facts.

Motive is the difference between murder and manslaughter.




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Reply #151 - Mar 26th, 2016 at 3:26pm
 
Herb, when Trump is not politicking & tweeting & putting on a show for the folks, I find that he comes out with some of the most down to earth, short-winded and spot on comments of anybody I've heard in years.

There seems to be a lot of that other stuff happening now though
. .equivalent of our silly season.

Hard to know if people like Gingrich are genuinely supporting him or are just on the payroll.
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Reply #152 - Mar 26th, 2016 at 3:38pm
 
They're starting to organise the stealing of Trump's delegates, fairly & squarely won. First in Louisiana and now in Virginia.
And you know who's behind it - the godbothering Thief of Iowa of course.
Bet he also rents his wife out for fund raisers.

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Reply #153 - Mar 26th, 2016 at 5:10pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 3:26pm:
Herb,
when Trump is not politicking & tweeting & putting on a show for the folks, I find that he comes out with some of the most down to earth, short-winded and spot on comments of anybody I've heard in years.

There seems to be a lot of that other stuff happening now though
. .equivalent of our silly season.

Hard to know if people like Gingrich are genuinely supporting him or are just on the payroll.

Contrast draws the eye: what was that book he wrote called again?
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Reply #154 - Mar 26th, 2016 at 6:05pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 12:34pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 12:29pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 6:18pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 5:31pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 23rd, 2016 at 1:36pm:
bogarde73 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2016 at 1:26pm:
Islamic evil in Brussels.


Apologist.

Do you think Islam is not a crucial motivating factor? They themselves say it is. Why do you think it isn't?



If you could find one of my posts where I state that Islam is not a crucial motivating factor, I would really like to see it.

I'll be here waiting so, off you go ...

So you must be also an apologist if you also recognise that Islam is a crucial motivator in these attacks.



Incorrect.

I recognise the motivation, but don't allow it to be used as an excuse.






Can you show us who has ever used their motivation as an excuse - other than their fellow Muslims? Maybe you should call their fellow muslims apologists, they are the only ones who are using the Islamic motivation as an excuse.



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Reply #155 - Mar 26th, 2016 at 6:08pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 6:30pm:
Motives are important facts.

Motive is the difference between murder and manslaughter.





You couldn't sell a tv at harvey norman son!
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Reply #156 - Mar 26th, 2016 at 8:38pm
 
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Motive is the difference between murder and manslaughter.


Really??  Since when?
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Reply #157 - Mar 26th, 2016 at 8:48pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 6:08pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 6:30pm:
Motives are important facts.

Motive is the difference between murder and manslaughter.





You couldn't sell a tv at harvey norman son!

I see what you mean by Batteries not included.....



Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked
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Reply #158 - Mar 26th, 2016 at 8:49pm
 
Aussie wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 8:38pm:
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Motive is the difference between murder and manslaughter.


Really??  Since when?

Since for ever.


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Reply #159 - Mar 26th, 2016 at 8:57pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 8:49pm:
Aussie wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 8:38pm:
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Motive is the difference between murder and manslaughter.


Really??  Since when?

Since for ever.




I'll bet pounds to peanuts that you will find no definition of murder which includes the word 'motive.'  Prove me wrong.
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Reply #160 - Mar 26th, 2016 at 9:37pm
 
You are a very stupid man.




Murder
ˈməːdə/Submit
noun
1.
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
verb
1.
kill (someone) unlawfully and with premeditation.


noun
1.
Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder) and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder)



noun
1.
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another
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Reply #161 - Mar 26th, 2016 at 9:41pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 9:37pm:
You are a very stupid man.




Murder
ˈməːdə/Submit
noun
1.
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
verb
1.
kill (someone) unlawfully and with premeditation.


noun
1.
Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder) and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder)



noun
1.
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another


Sorry.....can't see the word motive anywhere.  Have another go if you like......but you'll be wasting your time.

Perhaps it might help if you checked the definition of that word motive and compared it to the definition of the word intent.

This might help:

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Queensland Consolidated Acts
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Criminal Code 1899 - SECT 302
302 Definition of murder 302 Definition of murder

    (1) Except as hereinafter set forth, a person who unlawfully kills another under any of the following circumstances, that is to say—

        (a) if the offender intends to cause the death of the person killed or that of some other person or if the offender intends to do to the person killed or to some other person some grievous bodily harm;

        (b) if death is caused by means of an act done in the prosecution of an unlawful purpose, which act is of such a nature as to be likely to endanger human life;

        (c) if the offender intends to do grievous bodily harm to some person for the purpose of facilitating the commission of a crime which is such that the offender may be arrested without warrant, or for the purpose of facilitating the flight of an offender who has committed or attempted to commit any such crime;

        (d) if death is caused by administering any stupefying or overpowering thing for either of the purposes mentioned in paragraph (c);

        (e) if death is caused by wilfully stopping the breath of any person for either of such purposes;

    is guilty of murder.

    (2) Under subsection (1)(a) it is immaterial that the offender did not intend to hurt the particular person who is killed.

    (3) Under subsection (1)(b) it is immaterial that the offender did not intend to hurt any person.

    (4) Under subsection (1)(c) to (e) it is immaterial that the offender did not intend to cause death or did not know that death was likely to result.


No need to thank me.   That would obviously be below you.  Best you stick to calling people 'stupid' for as long as the Moderators tolerate your doing so.
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Reply #162 - Mar 26th, 2016 at 10:33pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 8:49pm:
Aussie wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 8:38pm:
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Motive is the difference between murder and manslaughter.


Really??  Since when?

Since for ever.




You don't know much about the law anything, do you?
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Reply #163 - Mar 26th, 2016 at 10:35pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 6:05pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 12:34pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 12:29pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 6:18pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 24th, 2016 at 5:31pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 23rd, 2016 at 1:36pm:
bogarde73 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2016 at 1:26pm:
Islamic evil in Brussels.


Apologist.

Do you think Islam is not a crucial motivating factor? They themselves say it is. Why do you think it isn't?



If you could find one of my posts where I state that Islam is not a crucial motivating factor, I would really like to see it.

I'll be here waiting so, off you go ...

So you must be also an apologist if you also recognise that Islam is a crucial motivator in these attacks.



Incorrect.

I recognise the motivation, but don't allow it to be used as an excuse.






Can you show us who has ever used their motivation as an excuse - other than their fellow Muslims? Maybe you should call their fellow muslims apologists, they are the only ones who are using the Islamic motivation as an excuse.



You are the one citing Islam as an excuse.

You are an apologist for murderers.
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Reply #164 - Mar 27th, 2016 at 1:11am
 
oh dear wandered off-topic  Cheesy

Is Trump accused of murder.?  No ? 

So get back on track . Let's not digress into even more rubbish. The current rubbish is sufficient.

So  .. having some doubts now Bogey?  Trump might say all the things you want to hear,  BUT ... could he ever deliver.? Would we want him to.?

We won't get to find out.  Why?  Because he won't be voted in by the American people.  I still believe there are more sane, than insane, americans, despite evidence to the contrary.

Time will tell.
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