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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 150630 Gender:	Re: Preserve Penalty Rates Says State Government Reply #30 - Mar 14^th, 2016 at 7:58pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 3:45pm: On public holidays, etc I ... gave my employees the day off . That's good to hear, considering that's exactly what's meant to happen.
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Reply #31 - Mar 14^th, 2016 at 8:04pm

The problem with the LIberal fanbois' obsession with lowering penalty rates is that they forget the concept of quid pro quo. Something for something. They want to take the quid off the workers and offer no quo in exchange.

And don't mention more employment, that's a specious argument.

There has to be something real offered so existing employees are not worse off. 20% more pay? Right of refusal of shifts without repercussions? Payment of a retainer to all casual staff? 40% casual loading? Downward pressure on casualisation?

No, it seems that the fools want to remove penalty rates and in exchange offer ... NOTHING.

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Reply #32 - Mar 14^th, 2016 at 8:17pm

Bam wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 8:04pm:

The problem with the LIberal fanbois' obsession with lowering penalty rates is that they forget the concept of quid pro quo. Something for something. They want to take the quid off the workers and offer no quo in exchange.

And don't mention more employment, that's a specious argument.

There has to be something real offered so existing employees are not worse off. 20% more pay? Right of refusal of shifts without repercussions? Payment of a retainer to all casual staff? 40% casual loading? Downward pressure on casualisation?

No, it seems that the fools want to remove penalty rates and in exchange offer ... NOTHING.

We have had the same thing in EBA meetings , what can you offer as far as productivity goes HR says , we're like well where do you think we can make improvements ? Blank looks and crickets is their response Undecided

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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 28509 Gender:	Re: Preserve Penalty Rates Says State Government Reply #33 - Mar 14^th, 2016 at 8:45pm greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 7:58pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 3:45pm: On public holidays, etc I ... gave my employees the day off . That's good to hear, considering that's exactly what's meant to happen. No need for penalty rates then.
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Reply #34 - Mar 14^th, 2016 at 8:49pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 8:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 7:58pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 3:45pm:

On public holidays, etc I ... gave my employees the day off .

That's good to hear, considering that's exactly what's meant to happen.

No need for penalty rates then.

Not if you don't work..... only when you do work. Don't allow your reasoning to stall at a mid-point in the discussion issue.

I'm waiting to see what happens come Easter....

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Reply #35 - Mar 14^th, 2016 at 8:58pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 8:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 7:58pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 3:45pm:

On public holidays, etc I ... gave my employees the day off .

That's good to hear, considering that's exactly what's meant to happen.

No need for penalty rates then.

of course there is ... if you hadn't had to pay penalty rates, you'd be asking your employees to work on those public holidays while YOU took the day off.

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Reply #36 - Mar 14^th, 2016 at 9:07pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 8:58pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 8:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 7:58pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 3:45pm:

On public holidays, etc I ... gave my employees the day off .

That's good to hear, considering that's exactly what's meant to happen.

No need for penalty rates then.

of course there is ... if you hadn't had to pay penalty rates, you'd be asking your employees to work on those public holidays while YOU took the day off.

These faux business owners sure think theyre entitled .

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Reply #37 - Mar 15^th, 2016 at 9:33am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 8:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 7:58pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 3:45pm:

On public holidays, etc I ... gave my employees the day off .

That's good to hear, considering that's exactly what's meant to happen.

No need for penalty rates then.

Then? No. Of course not. Penalty rates aren't paid to the people who stay home on a public holiday. That would be ridiculous.

However, for those that are required to work on a public holiday, penalty rates are paid.

They are paid as compensation for working unsocial hours (when most other people are off work and school for the day).

You don't really know much about penalty rates, do you?

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Reply #38 - Mar 15^th, 2016 at 11:27am

Its time wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 8:17pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 8:04pm:

The problem with the LIberal fanbois' obsession with lowering penalty rates is that they forget the concept of quid pro quo. Something for something. They want to take the quid off the workers and offer no quo in exchange.

And don't mention more employment, that's a specious argument.

There has to be something real offered so existing employees are not worse off. 20% more pay? Right of refusal of shifts without repercussions? Payment of a retainer to all casual staff? 40% casual loading? Downward pressure on casualisation?

No, it seems that the fools want to remove penalty rates and in exchange offer ... NOTHING.

We have had the same thing in EBA meetings , what can you offer as far as productivity goes HR says , we're like well where do you think we can make improvements ? Blank looks and crickets is their response Undecided

Who's running that HR department. It's true that wages and productivity are closely linked but the growth in productivity comes from the employer rather than the employee.

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ih8pumpkin New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 43 Gender:	Re: Preserve Penalty Rates Says State Government Reply #39 - Mar 15^th, 2016 at 11:32am We cannot give up penalty rates.. we fought far too hard to get them.
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Reply #40 - Mar 15^th, 2016 at 11:39am

crocodile wrote on Mar 15^th, 2016 at 11:27am:

Its time wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 8:17pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 8:04pm:

The problem with the LIberal fanbois' obsession with lowering penalty rates is that they forget the concept of quid pro quo. Something for something. They want to take the quid off the workers and offer no quo in exchange.

And don't mention more employment, that's a specious argument.

There has to be something real offered so existing employees are not worse off. 20% more pay? Right of refusal of shifts without repercussions? Payment of a retainer to all casual staff? 40% casual loading? Downward pressure on casualisation?

No, it seems that the fools want to remove penalty rates and in exchange offer ... NOTHING.

We have had the same thing in EBA meetings , what can you offer as far as productivity goes HR says , we're like well where do you think we can make improvements ? Blank looks and crickets is their response Undecided

Who's running that HR department. It's true that wages and productivity are closely linked but the growth in productivity comes from the employer rather than the employee.

Probably thought she sounded intelligent suggesting it , we naturally had to be diplomatic whilst thinking we must be doing a fantastic job if she cant suggest a thing Grin

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