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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52539 At my desk.	Re: anti-vaxxers cause whooping cough outbreak in NSW Reply #15 - Mar 12^th, 2016 at 2:18pm Your next assignment is to use google to find a link between vaccines and alien abductions.
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Svengali Gold Member Offline Please don't thank me Posts: 3474 Gender:	Re: anti-vaxxers cause whooping cough outbreak in NSW Reply #16 - Mar 12^th, 2016 at 2:20pm freediver wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 2:18pm: Your next assignment is to use google to find a link between vaccines and alien abductions. Commencement of assignment will be triggered by Freediver's alien abduction.
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Re: anti-vaxxers cause whooping cough outbreak in NSW
Reply #17 - Mar 12^th, 2016 at 5:50pm

Svengali wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 2:02pm:

Vaccination has been linked to autism and other effects that seriously reversed children's development while drug companies acted against the researchers who exposed the links. Drug companies are more interested in sustaining profits than correcting vaccines that are shown to cause very harmful side effects.

Society abandons the victims of vaccines which cause harm.

not linked by actual scientific studies - just opinion.

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Re: anti-vaxxers cause whooping cough outbreak in NSW
Reply #18 - Mar 12^th, 2016 at 5:54pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 5:50pm:

Svengali wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 2:02pm:

Vaccination has been linked to autism and other effects that seriously reversed children's development while drug companies acted against the researchers who exposed the links. Drug companies are more interested in sustaining profits than correcting vaccines that are shown to cause very harmful side effects.

Society abandons the victims of vaccines which cause harm.

not linked by actual scientific studies - just opinion.

Thanks for confirming the victims of harm from vaccinations were abandoned by society.

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Re: anti-vaxxers cause whooping cough outbreak in NSW
Reply #19 - Mar 13^th, 2016 at 10:25am

Svengali wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 5:54pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 5:50pm:

Svengali wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 2:02pm:

Vaccination has been linked to autism and other effects that seriously reversed children's development while drug companies acted against the researchers who exposed the links. Drug companies are more interested in sustaining profits than correcting vaccines that are shown to cause very harmful side effects.

Society abandons the victims of vaccines which cause harm.

not linked by actual scientific studies - just opinion.

Thanks for confirming the victims of harm from vaccinations were abandoned by society.

Thanks for still not confirming they were by vaccines in the first place.

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Re: anti-vaxxers cause whooping cough outbreak in NSW
Reply #20 - Mar 13^th, 2016 at 10:33am

Svengali wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 2:02pm:

Vaccination has been linked to autism and other effects that seriously reversed children's development while drug companies acted against the researchers who exposed the links. Drug companies are more interested in sustaining profits than correcting vaccines that are shown to cause very harmful side effects.

Society abandons the victims of vaccines which cause harm.

Oh goodie. I just new you'd be an anti-vaxxer.

Off you go, rub some crystals together and drink some unicorn piss next time you're sick.

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Reply #21 - Mar 13^th, 2016 at 11:22am

GordyL wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 10:33am:

Svengali wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 2:02pm:

Vaccination has been linked to autism and other effects that seriously reversed children's development while drug companies acted against the researchers who exposed the links. Drug companies are more interested in sustaining profits than correcting vaccines that are shown to cause very harmful side effects.

Society abandons the victims of vaccines which cause harm.

Oh goodie. I just new you'd be an anti-vaxxer.

Off you go, rub some crystals together and drink some unicorn piss next time you're sick.

If one is sick it is too late for a vaccine.

I perceive GordyL gets a lot of vaccinations and has done since childhood. Perhaps GordyL makes a living by subjecting itself to psychiatric, scientific and medical experiments.

Explains GordyL's apoplexy and feeling of abandonment.

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Re: anti-vaxxers cause whooping cough outbreak in NSW
Reply #22 - Mar 13^th, 2016 at 11:37am

Svengali wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 11:22am:

GordyL wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 10:33am:

Svengali wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 2:02pm:

Vaccination has been linked to autism and other effects that seriously reversed children's development while drug companies acted against the researchers who exposed the links. Drug companies are more interested in sustaining profits than correcting vaccines that are shown to cause very harmful side effects.

Society abandons the victims of vaccines which cause harm.

Oh goodie. I just new you'd be an anti-vaxxer.

Off you go, rub some crystals together and drink some unicorn piss next time you're sick.

If one is sick it is too late for a vaccine.

I perceive GordyL gets a lot of vaccinations and has done since childhood. Perhaps GordyL makes a living by subjecting itself to psychiatric, scientific and medical experiments.

Explains GordyL's apoplexy and feeling of abandonment.

No, I just believe in science and evidence.
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Lionel Edriess Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1932 Gender:	Re: anti-vaxxers cause whooping cough outbreak in NSW Reply #23 - Mar 13^th, 2016 at 11:39am A couple of cases of polio amongst the anti-vaxxing crowd will be the next news item. My sympathy for the affected children would only be outweighed by the contempt I'd feel for their parents.
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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: anti-vaxxers cause whooping cough outbreak in NSW Reply #24 - Mar 13^th, 2016 at 11:41am The people who are against vaccination just don't accept that there is always a risk with any medication. They expect a risk-free environment. But it doesn't work that way. You have to stack the miniscule risk, which does exist, against the overwhelming benefit for society as a whole.
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Re: anti-vaxxers cause whooping cough outbreak in NSW
Reply #25 - Mar 13^th, 2016 at 1:21pm

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 11:41am:

The people who are against vaccination just don't accept that there is always a risk with any medication. They expect a risk-free environment.

But it doesn't work that way. You have to stack the miniscule risk, which does exist, against the overwhelming benefit for society as a whole.

No! Victims of harm from vaccinations face denial by Governments and drug companies and rejection by society. The government and drug companies promote the vaccinations and they should be willing to accept responsibility and bear the costs and support the victims of harm from vaccinations.

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Svengali Gold Member Offline Please don't thank me Posts: 3474 Gender:	Re: anti-vaxxers cause whooping cough outbreak in NSW Reply #26 - Mar 13^th, 2016 at 1:23pm Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 11:39am: A couple of cases of polio amongst the anti-vaxxing crowd will be the next news item. What would be newsworthy would be recovery from brain death of Lionel Edriess and its Ozpolitic conservative ilk.
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Reply #27 - Mar 13^th, 2016 at 1:53pm

Svengali wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 1:21pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 11:41am:

The people who are against vaccination just don't accept that there is always a risk with any medication. They expect a risk-free environment.

But it doesn't work that way. You have to stack the miniscule risk, which does exist, against the overwhelming benefit for society as a whole.

No! Victims of harm from vaccinations face denial by Governments and drug companies and rejection by society. The government and drug companies promote the vaccinations and they should be willing to accept responsibility and bear the costs and support the victims of harm from vaccinations.

Well I agree with that absolutely. Anyone suffering as the result of a public health program such as vaccination should be fully taken care of by the community. I assume they would be but I don't know.

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Reply #28 - Mar 13^th, 2016 at 1:59pm

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 1:53pm:

Svengali wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 1:21pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 11:41am:

The people who are against vaccination just don't accept that there is always a risk with any medication. They expect a risk-free environment.

But it doesn't work that way. You have to stack the miniscule risk, which does exist, against the overwhelming benefit for society as a whole.

No! Victims of harm from vaccinations face denial by Governments and drug companies and rejection by society. The government and drug companies promote the vaccinations and they should be willing to accept responsibility and bear the costs and support the victims of harm from vaccinations.

Well I agree with that absolutely. Anyone suffering as the result of a public health program such as vaccination should be fully taken care of by the community. I assume they would be but I don't know.

The problem is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

Most of the 'claimed' injuries are not from the vaccination.

People like Sven think if you get a tetanus booster then get hit by a bus the next day it was the fault of the vaccination.

That's because he's a mooncalf.

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: anti-vaxxers cause whooping cough outbreak in NSW Reply #29 - Mar 13^th, 2016 at 2:02pm He very well may be, but the principle is right if causation is reasonably established.
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