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Mar 11th, 2016 at 3:29am
 
Jakarta: A fisherman who helped return six Bangladeshis to Indonesia said he felt deceived by Australian authorities and would not have taken the men if he had known they were asylum seekers.

And the Indonesian foreign ministry reiterated on Thursday that Indonesia did not support Australia's unilateral boat turn-back policy, especially when carried out in the middle of the sea.

The latest incident at sea comes at a sensitive time, with the Bali Process - the main regional forum to combat people smuggling - to be held in Bali on March 22 and 23.
Three fishermen who helped return six Bangladeshi asylum-seekers and two alleged people smugglers to Indonesia. Gab Oma ...

Three fishermen who helped return six Bangladeshi asylum-seekers and two alleged people smugglers to Indonesia. Gab Oma 39, left, Muhammad Hatta 35, centre, Hamzah, 29, right. Photo: Joy Christians

A ministerial conference is normally held every two years but did not go ahead last year amid tensions between the two co-chairs - Indonesia and Australia - over the boat push-back policy and executions.

The skipper of the asylum seeker boat, Isai Rano, 34, said he and another Indonesian had been offered 92 million rupiah (about $AUD9000) to take the six Bangladeshis to Australia.

They left on March 3 but were rescued by an Australian Border Force maritime patrol three days later after their boat sank.
Fisherman Gab Oma returned the asylum-seekers to Indonesia.

Fisherman Gab Oma returned the asylum-seekers to Indonesia. Photo: Joy Christians

Gab Oma, a 39-year-old fisherman from Kupang, said he and other Indonesian fishermen were fishing nearby when they were asked by Australian authorities to return the men to Indonesia.

"We feel uncomfortable because of what the Australian Navy did by handing over the six Bangladeshi immigrants," said Mr Gab.

"They are people who are under a lot of stress. If they knew they were being returned to Indonesia, it's possible they would have taken over our boat and sailed back to Australia.
Fisherman Muhammad Hatta, who returned the asylum seekers to Indonesia, with rice and water provided by Australian ...

Fisherman Muhammad Hatta, who returned the asylum seekers to Indonesia, with rice and water provided by Australian authorities. Photo: Joy Christians

"If they were immigrants and people smugglers why not hand them straight over to the Indonesian government, why give them to fishermen?"

Mr Gab said Australian authorities gave Indonesian fishermen, who were fishing near Ashmore Reef, two sacks of rice, two boxes of bottled water, two 30 litre fuel jugs, soft drinks, eight life jackets and snacks, and asked them to return eight men to Kupang.

"If we knew they were immigrants we would have said no. We were told a fisherman from a sunk boat, so we thought it was our Indonesian brothers. In fact we were handed over Bangladeshi immigrants. Honestly we were deceived."

Mr Gab said the transfer of the Bangladeshi and Indonesian passengers from the Australian ship took place in Indonesian waters.

"We were 28 miles from Amarasi beach. I know, I checked the GPS on board, no mistake."

"We lose out. We hadn't caught anything (fish) yet, but we were told to go back with six immigrants and two people smugglers."

Mr Gab said the fishermen kept a close eye on the Bangladeshis on the trip back to Kupang and alerted the East Nusa Tenggara water police.

East Nusa Tenggara police chief Teddy Marbun told Fairfax Media that Mr Isai and the second crew member had been determined people smuggler suspects.

"The six immigrants said they headed for Australia to seek asylum," Mr Teddy said.

A spokeswoman for Immigration Minister Peter Dutton said the government did not comment on operational matters.

However Australian Border Force Commissioner Roman Quaedvlieg tweeted that an Australian Border Force maritime patrol had assisted an Indonesian vessel in distress.

"The vessel was NOT scuttled - was unseaworthy and sank. Pax (passengers) assisted & okay," tweeted

Australia's boat push-back policy is a running sore in the bilateral relationship. Indonesia sees the policy as a threat to its sovereignty and believes it put lives at risk and is not a sustainable solution.

In 2014 Australia apologised for Australian naval incursions into Indonesian waters while pushing back boats carrying asylum seekers.

Indonesian Foreign Ministry spokesman Arrmanatha Nasir said on Thursday the ministry had received a notification from Australian Maritime Border Command on March 7 that Indonesian fishermen had issued a distress call.

He said the notification did not mention Bangladeshi people.

"We are currently coordinating with Bakamla (Indonesian maritime security agency) to find out about the information accurately," he said.

"In general, Indonesia's position remains that we don't support unilateral action on boat turn-backs, especially when it is carried out in the middle of the sea. Not only is that dangerous but it will not solve the problem of the the illegal movement of persons. The cooperation of countries of origin, transit and destination is the main pillar to solve the problem.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/fisherman-who-returned-asylumseekers-to-indonesia-says-he-was-deceived-by-australia-20160310-gnfsfh.html#ixzz42WQrgnLb
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Reply #1 - Mar 11th, 2016 at 3:31am
 
Boats still coming , people still drowning , government bribing people smugglers shame libtards shame
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Reply #2 - Mar 11th, 2016 at 5:30am
 
Its time wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 3:31am:
Boats still coming , people still drowning , government bribing people smugglers shame libtards shame


The country shoppers paid the people smugglers not the government. The government gave the fishing boat skippers water, rice, fuel and life jackets to take the illegals back to Indonesia. That's hardly bribery.
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Reply #3 - Mar 11th, 2016 at 7:29am
 
The whole story makes no sense to me. There's something missing there. No way would the fishermen do that without some incentive besides water and food. One day the truth about all these incidents at sea will be revealed and we can be more ashamed of our government than we are now.
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Reply #4 - Mar 11th, 2016 at 7:44am
 
macman wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 7:29am:
The whole story makes no sense to me. There's something missing there. No way would the fishermen do that without some incentive besides water and food. One day the truth about all these incidents at sea will be revealed and we can be more ashamed of our government than we are now.
If our government  has paid the crews to turn back then whats the issue? I dont get it, its working, the people smuggling model is broken. Win/win.
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Reply #5 - Mar 11th, 2016 at 8:03am
 
ian wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 7:44am:
macman wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 7:29am:
The whole story makes no sense to me. There's something missing there. No way would the fishermen do that without some incentive besides water and food. One day the truth about all these incidents at sea will be revealed and we can be more ashamed of our government than we are now.
If our government  has paid the crews to turn back then whats the issue? I dont get it, its working, the people smuggling model is broken. Win/win.


That's why the left wing nutjob brigade is upset - the Coalition is doing something right and making tgem look like the incompetent fools that they are.
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Reply #6 - Mar 11th, 2016 at 8:08am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 5:30am:
Its time wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 3:31am:
Boats still coming , people still drowning , government bribing people smugglers shame libtards shame


The country shoppers paid the people smugglers not the government. The government gave the fishing boat skippers water, rice, fuel and life jackets to take the illegals back to Indonesia. That's hardly bribery.

It's not Leftwhingers fault. It's was 3.30am when he posted, he was obviously drinking and he doesn't have a job to get up for.
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Reply #7 - Mar 11th, 2016 at 8:09am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 8:03am:
ian wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 7:44am:
macman wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 7:29am:
The whole story makes no sense to me. There's something missing there. No way would the fishermen do that without some incentive besides water and food. One day the truth about all these incidents at sea will be revealed and we can be more ashamed of our government than we are now.
If our government  has paid the crews to turn back then whats the issue? I dont get it, its working, the people smuggling model is broken. Win/win.


That's why the left wing nutjob brigade is upset - the Coalition is doing something right and making tgem look like the incompetent fools that they are.



My concern is with being continually lied to by the libs. If there is no issue with paying people smugglers, why hide it?
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Reply #8 - Mar 11th, 2016 at 8:13am
 
macman wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 8:09am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 8:03am:
ian wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 7:44am:
[quote author=macman link=1457630999/3#3 date=1457645355]The whole story makes no sense to me. There's something missing there. No way would the fishermen do that without some incentive besides water and food. One day the truth about all these incidents at sea will be revealed and we can be more ashamed of our government than we are now.
If our government  has paid the crews to turn back then whats the issue? I dont get it, its working, the people smuggling model is broken. Win/win.


That's why the left wing nutjob brigade is upset - the Coalition is doing something right and making tgem look like the incompetent fools that they are.



My concern is with being continually lied to by the libs. If there is no issue with paying people smugglers, why hide it?
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Paying captains of boats to turn around and go back to Indonesia is definately the cheapest option.  It may not be morally correct nor perhaps legally correct but it is a cheap option

Had Labor done it however, the Roids on here would have been wetting their collective panties in shock and horror
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Reply #9 - Mar 11th, 2016 at 8:21am
 
macman wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 8:09am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 8:03am:
ian wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 7:44am:
macman wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 7:29am:
The whole story makes no sense to me. There's something missing there. No way would the fishermen do that without some incentive besides water and food. One day the truth about all these incidents at sea will be revealed and we can be more ashamed of our government than we are now.
If our government  has paid the crews to turn back then whats the issue? I dont get it, its working, the people smuggling model is broken. Win/win.


That's why the left wing nutjob brigade is upset - the Coalition is doing something right and making tgem look like the incompetent fools that they are.



My concern is with being continually lied to by the libs. If there is no issue with paying people smugglers, why hide it?


Because if they advertise the fact, then tomorrow we'll have 50 fishing boats heading toward us with people posing as illegal immigrants just so boat skippers can pocket some cash.
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Reply #10 - Mar 11th, 2016 at 8:23am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 8:21am:
macman wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 8:09am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 8:03am:
ian wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 7:44am:
macman wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 7:29am:
The whole story makes no sense to me. There's something missing there. No way would the fishermen do that without some incentive besides water and food. One day the truth about all these incidents at sea will be revealed and we can be more ashamed of our government than we are now.
If our government  has paid the crews to turn back then whats the issue? I dont get it, its working, the people smuggling model is broken. Win/win.


That's why the left wing nutjob brigade is upset - the Coalition is doing something right and making tgem look like the incompetent fools that they are.



My concern is with being continually lied to by the libs. If there is no issue with paying people smugglers, why hide it?


Because if they advertise the fact, then tomorrow we'll have 50 fishing boats heading toward us with people posing as illegal immigrants just so boat skippers can pocket some cash.

You might have to do your post in finger paints and crayons so the left can understand it.
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Reply #11 - Mar 11th, 2016 at 8:24am
 
Jennifer wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 8:23am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 8:21am:
macman wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 8:09am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 8:03am:
ian wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 7:44am:
macman wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 7:29am:
The whole story makes no sense to me. There's something missing there. No way would the fishermen do that without some incentive besides water and food. One day the truth about all these incidents at sea will be revealed and we can be more ashamed of our government than we are now.
If our government  has paid the crews to turn back then whats the issue? I dont get it, its working, the people smuggling model is broken. Win/win.


That's why the left wing nutjob brigade is upset - the Coalition is doing something right and making tgem look like the incompetent fools that they are.



My concern is with being continually lied to by the libs. If there is no issue with paying people smugglers, why hide it?


Because if they advertise the fact, then tomorrow we'll have 50 fishing boats heading toward us with people posing as illegal immigrants just so boat skippers can pocket some cash.

You might have to do your post in finger paints and crayons so the left can understand it.


I doubt even then they could comprehend it, let alone agree with it.
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Reply #12 - Mar 11th, 2016 at 9:24am
 
ian wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 7:44am:
If our government  has paid the crews to turn back then whats the issue?



it's illegal to pay people smugglers.
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Reply #13 - Mar 11th, 2016 at 9:27am
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 9:24am:
ian wrote on Mar 11th, 2016 at 7:44am:
If our government  has paid the crews to turn back then whats the issue?



it's illegal to pay people smugglers.

They paid fisherman. Read the article properly.
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Reply #14 - Mar 11th, 2016 at 9:31am
 
According to the article the Navy didn't give any money to the fishermen.
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