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Reply #60 - Mar 13th, 2016 at 10:06am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 9:32am:
Dear o dear o dear.

What's this ... from the Parliament of Australia?

"There is no offence under Australian law that criminalises the act of arriving in Australia or the seeking of asylum without a valid visa."

Click me!



It's not unconstitutional or illegal or criminal to take such people to offshore detention either.

Isn't this just great? Not illegal to come without a visa and not illegal to detain them offshore if they come without a visa.

The Europeans should do the same thing.



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Reply #61 - Mar 13th, 2016 at 10:06am
 
Its time wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 9:41am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 9:32am:
Dear o dear o dear.

What's this ... from the Parliament of Australia?

"There is no offence under Australian law that criminalises the act of arriving in Australia or the seeking of asylum without a valid visa."

Click me!


You have said it a million times but it doesnt sink in to those heads that have a kangaroo loose in the top paddock.


Amazing, isn't it?

"There is no offence under Australian law that criminalises the act of arriving in Australia or the seeking of asylum without a valid visa."

Yet, the rightards continue to live in their own little world, and pretend otherwise.
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Reply #62 - Mar 13th, 2016 at 11:03am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 10:06am:
"There is no offence under Australian law that criminalises the act of arriving in Australia or the seeking of asylum without a valid visa."


The act of arrival without a valid visa will see that person denied entry and returned, if they have no valid reason.

Economic migrants are not seeking "asylum", and therefore have no valid reason..
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Reply #63 - Mar 13th, 2016 at 11:17am
 
lee wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 11:03am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 10:06am:
"There is no offence under Australian law that criminalises the act of arriving in Australia or the seeking of asylum without a valid visa."


The act of arrival without a valid visa will see that person denied entry and returned, if they have no valid reason.

Economic migrants are not seeking "asylum", and therefore have no valid reason..


Economic migrants ? They travelled on a leaky boat halfway across the world  to sit on 200 bucks a week welfare  Cheesy yep that's why they came  Grin
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Reply #64 - Mar 13th, 2016 at 11:19am
 
Its time wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 11:17am:
lee wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 11:03am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 10:06am:
"There is no offence under Australian law that criminalises the act of arriving in Australia or the seeking of asylum without a valid visa."


The act of arrival without a valid visa will see that person denied entry and returned, if they have no valid reason.

Economic migrants are not seeking "asylum", and therefore have no valid reason..


Economic migrants ? They travelled on a leaky boat halfway across the world  to sit on 200 bucks a week welfare  Cheesy yep that's why they came  Grin

It's more than $200 bucks a week. If it wasn't about economics then why didn't they go to a closer country??
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Reply #65 - Mar 13th, 2016 at 11:30am
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 11:19am:
Its time wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 11:17am:
lee wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 11:03am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 10:06am:
"There is no offence under Australian law that criminalises the act of arriving in Australia or the seeking of asylum without a valid visa."


The act of arrival without a valid visa will see that person denied entry and returned, if they have no valid reason.

Economic migrants are not seeking "asylum", and therefore have no valid reason..


Economic migrants ? They travelled on a leaky boat halfway across the world  to sit on 200 bucks a week welfare  Cheesy yep that's why they came  Grin

It's more than $200 bucks a week. If it wasn't about economics then why didn't they go to a closer country??


Perhaps they wanted to make something of their lives in the 'lucky country', flicking beetles of your cock , eating mice and walking miles for a drink doesn't sound like any sort of life.
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Reply #66 - Mar 13th, 2016 at 11:56am
 
Its time wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 11:17am:
lee wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 11:03am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 10:06am:
"There is no offence under Australian law that criminalises the act of arriving in Australia or the seeking of asylum without a valid visa."


The act of arrival without a valid visa will see that person denied entry and returned, if they have no valid reason.

Economic migrants are not seeking "asylum", and therefore have no valid reason..


Economic migrants ? They travelled on a leaky boat halfway across the world  to sit on 200 bucks a week welfare  Cheesy yep that's why they came  Grin

Well, with 4 kids and a wife or two it amounts to a lot more, plus public housing and various concessions - if you don't speak English and have no skills, that's a lot more than you could ever hope to get anywhere else by working. SO yes, it's very much worth their while top come all this way, or to Europe,  just for the welfare.

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Reply #67 - Mar 13th, 2016 at 12:00pm
 
Its time wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 11:30am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 11:19am:
Its time wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 11:17am:
lee wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 11:03am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 10:06am:
"There is no offence under Australian law that criminalises the act of arriving in Australia or the seeking of asylum without a valid visa."


The act of arrival without a valid visa will see that person denied entry and returned, if they have no valid reason.

Economic migrants are not seeking "asylum", and therefore have no valid reason..


Economic migrants ? They travelled on a leaky boat halfway across the world  to sit on 200 bucks a week welfare  Cheesy yep that's why they came  Grin

It's more than $200 bucks a week. If it wasn't about economics then why didn't they go to a closer country??


Perhaps they wanted to make something of their lives in the 'lucky country', flicking beetles of your cock , eating mice and walking miles for a drink doesn't sound like any sort of life.
so it is about economics then.
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Reply #68 - Mar 13th, 2016 at 12:15pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 12:00pm:
Its time wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 11:30am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 11:19am:
Its time wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 11:17am:
lee wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 11:03am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 10:06am:
"There is no offence under Australian law that criminalises the act of arriving in Australia or the seeking of asylum without a valid visa."


The act of arrival without a valid visa will see that person denied entry and returned, if they have no valid reason.

Economic migrants are not seeking "asylum", and therefore have no valid reason..


Economic migrants ? They travelled on a leaky boat halfway across the world  to sit on 200 bucks a week welfare  Cheesy yep that's why they came  Grin

It's more than $200 bucks a week. If it wasn't about economics then why didn't they go to a closer country??


Perhaps they wanted to make something of their lives in the 'lucky country', flicking beetles of your cock , eating mice and walking miles for a drink doesn't sound like any sort of life.
so it is about economics then.

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Reply #69 - Mar 13th, 2016 at 12:20pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 12:00pm:
Its time wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 11:30am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 11:19am:
Its time wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 11:17am:
lee wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 11:03am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 10:06am:
"There is no offence under Australian law that criminalises the act of arriving in Australia or the seeking of asylum without a valid visa."


The act of arrival without a valid visa will see that person denied entry and returned, if they have no valid reason.

Economic migrants are not seeking "asylum", and therefore have no valid reason..


Economic migrants ? They travelled on a leaky boat halfway across the world  to sit on 200 bucks a week welfare  Cheesy yep that's why they came  Grin

It's more than $200 bucks a week. If it wasn't about economics then why didn't they go to a closer country??


Perhaps they wanted to make something of their lives in the 'lucky country', flicking beetles of your cock , eating mice and walking miles for a drink doesn't sound like any sort of life.
so it is about economics then.


Disgraceful!
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Reply #70 - Mar 13th, 2016 at 12:21pm
 
Soren wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 12:15pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 12:00pm:
Its time wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 11:30am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 11:19am:
Its time wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 11:17am:
lee wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 11:03am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 10:06am:
"There is no offence under Australian law that criminalises the act of arriving in Australia or the seeking of asylum without a valid visa."


The act of arrival without a valid visa will see that person denied entry and returned, if they have no valid reason.

Economic migrants are not seeking "asylum", and therefore have no valid reason..


Economic migrants ? They travelled on a leaky boat halfway across the world  to sit on 200 bucks a week welfare  Cheesy yep that's why they came  Grin

It's more than $200 bucks a week. If it wasn't about economics then why didn't they go to a closer country??


Perhaps they wanted to make something of their lives in the 'lucky country', flicking beetles of your cock , eating mice and walking miles for a drink doesn't sound like any sort of life.
so it is about economics then.


Grin Grin Grin leftwinger agreed with me and he didn't even realise.  Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #71 - Mar 13th, 2016 at 12:23pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 12:21pm:
Soren wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 12:15pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 12:00pm:
Its time wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 11:30am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 11:19am:
Its time wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 11:17am:
lee wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 11:03am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 10:06am:
"There is no offence under Australian law that criminalises the act of arriving in Australia or the seeking of asylum without a valid visa."


The act of arrival without a valid visa will see that person denied entry and returned, if they have no valid reason.

Economic migrants are not seeking "asylum", and therefore have no valid reason..


Economic migrants ? They travelled on a leaky boat halfway across the world  to sit on 200 bucks a week welfare  Cheesy yep that's why they came  Grin

It's more than $200 bucks a week. If it wasn't about economics then why didn't they go to a closer country??


Perhaps they wanted to make something of their lives in the 'lucky country', flicking beetles of your cock , eating mice and walking miles for a drink doesn't sound like any sort of life.
so it is about economics then.


Grin Grin Grin leftwinger agreed with me and he didn't even realise.  Grin Grin Grin


You don't seem to have a point, though.

Are you suggesting that people should not try to make a better lifer for themselves and their family?      Undecided
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Reply #72 - Mar 13th, 2016 at 12:25pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 12:23pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 12:21pm:
Soren wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 12:15pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 12:00pm:
Its time wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 11:30am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 11:19am:
Its time wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 11:17am:
lee wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 11:03am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 10:06am:
"There is no offence under Australian law that criminalises the act of arriving in Australia or the seeking of asylum without a valid visa."


The act of arrival without a valid visa will see that person denied entry and returned, if they have no valid reason.

Economic migrants are not seeking "asylum", and therefore have no valid reason..


Economic migrants ? They travelled on a leaky boat halfway across the world  to sit on 200 bucks a week welfare  Cheesy yep that's why they came  Grin

It's more than $200 bucks a week. If it wasn't about economics then why didn't they go to a closer country??


Perhaps they wanted to make something of their lives in the 'lucky country', flicking beetles of your cock , eating mice and walking miles for a drink doesn't sound like any sort of life.
so it is about economics then.


Grin Grin Grin leftwinger agreed with me and he didn't even realise.  Grin Grin Grin


You don't seem to have a point, though.

Are you suggesting that people should not try to make a better lifer for themselves and their family?      Undecided

So now it's taken the giant leap from salvation to having a great first world lifestyle. It just doesn't smell good. This smells fake.
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Reply #73 - Mar 13th, 2016 at 12:28pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 12:25pm:
So now it's taken the giant leap from salvation to having a great first world lifestyle. It just doesn't smell good. This smells fake.


Are you suggesting that people should not try to make a better life for themselves and their family?    
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Reply #74 - Mar 13th, 2016 at 12:28pm
 
Defenders of Europe’s disastrous recent border policies are keen to point out the technical differences between illegal immigration, economic migrants and asylum claimants. But the reluctance to create any serious programme of removal for the first two is not only sapping public sympathy for the third, it is part of the same failure that allowed millions of migrants into the continent in the first place, without checking where they were from or considering the consequences of them coming.


A tolerance for illegal as well as legal immigration has become a European principle in recent years. But over the last 12 months that attitude has been turbo-charged. European leaders have been searching for a rationale for their madness. Chancellor Angela Merkel’s first justification for opening the doors of Europe lay in the minority of arrivals fleeing Syria. But as a far larger number of economic migrants arrived from across Africa, the Middle East and Far East, the rationale changed. Instead it became a wonderful opportunity for an ‘ageing continent’ to acquire a new influx of workers; a new generation to keep us all in the style to which we have become accustomed.

Almost nobody asks why this position was adopted at a time when youth unemployment rates in much of Europe are hovering around 50 per cent. But today even the European Commission admits that most of the people who came to Europe last year should not be here. In January, the Commission’s vice-president Frans Timmermans admitted that at least 60 per cent of recent arrivals were economic migrants, not asylum seekers. Not Syrians fleeing a war prolonged by Turkey and all the other Muslim states of the Middle East, but people who, in Timmermans’s words, ‘have no reason to apply for refugee status’.

Now futile second thoughts are everywhere. Even Sweden, the self-proclaimed ‘humanitarian superpower’, has been doing some thinking. The country’s own interior minister, Anders Ygeman, recently admitted that of the 163,000 people to whom the country opened its arms last year, at least 80,000 might be fake asylum seekers in need of deporting.

When, exactly, will Sweden deport those people — given that it managed to deport just 4,000 last year? Over many ensuing years, as Mr Ygeman pretends? Or never, as everybody else knows?


Even when Sweden does manage to arrange a deportation notice, three-quarters of the subjects immediately disappear. And since nobody bothered to check who was coming in from where, no one knows where to send most of the ones they do find.

It is the same story in Germany. How could it be otherwise in a country which brought in up to one and a half million people last year? Is Germany ever going to deport the more than three-quarters of a million people (according to the Timmermans estimate) who entered the country last year under false pretences? Of course not. They will slip into the black economy, a new generation of workers who will be on the run from the authorities and the law. In time, they will bring their families to join them.

Europe is expecting a similar number of migrants to arrive this year, and now the situation is so bad that last week Donald Tusk, the president of the European Council — appealed to the world: ‘Do not come to Europe.’ Too late. Last year, he and Angela invited them. And due to the incompetence, blindness or weakness of Europe’s leadership, everyone stayed. At last beginning to panic, those same leaders spent last week trying to slow the flow of migrants from Syria by doing a deal which flings the doors of Europe open to the citizens of Turkey.

Europe truly is on a suicide mission. All we have to decide is whether we want to be a part of it.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/03/europes-folly-has-made-it-a-civilisation-unde...

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