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Reply #45 - Mar 12^th, 2016 at 9:06am

you seem to think that because they applied from a third or fourth country it's somehow the right thing to do.

If, as you rightards are always claiming, it is illegal to enter a country without a visa, why do you not complain when they enter a third or fourth country and then apply? Or do you think they're all aplying from the country they are running from? Cheesy

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Reply #46 - Mar 12^th, 2016 at 11:47am

John Smith wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 9:06am:

you seem to think that because they applied from a third or fourth country it's somehow the right thing to do.

If, as you rightards are always claiming, it is illegal to enter a country without a visa, why do you not complain when they enter a third or fourth country and then apply? Or do you think they're all aplying from the country they are running from? Cheesy

Not if the other country is letting them in, which is what is happening in some parts of the Middle East. You are SO slow sometimes, Jack_Sh!t.

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Reply #47 - Mar 12^th, 2016 at 2:06pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 8:46am:

Soren wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 8:27am:

These people are not fleeing persecution in Indonesia - so why is it so bad that Australia insist on lawful entry and doesn't allow in illegal entrants? Why is it so bad to enforce the law?

Indonesia isn't a signatory to the UN refugee convention. They have no rights in Indo ... Australia is a signatory. Australia should either withdraw from the convention or uphold it's commitments.

Where does it say in the convention that we have to take people who try to enter illegally from a country where they are not persecuted?

Please show us. Also show us why it is OK for a country like Indonesia to be so corrupt at the expense of its neighbour, Australia? THey l;et them in visa free, knowing why they enter. But then they turn a blind eye when they board fishing boats financed by people smugglers who bribe Indonesian officials. Under what convention must we take a corrupt country like Indonesia seriously?

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Reply #48 - Mar 12^th, 2016 at 2:17pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 8:55am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 8:50am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 8:46am:

Soren wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 8:27am:

These people are not fleeing persecution in Indonesia - so why is it so bad that Australia insist on lawful entry and doesn't allow in illegal entrants? Why is it so bad to enforce the law?

Indonesia isn't a signatory to the UN refugee convention. They have no rights in Indo ... Australia is a signatory. Australia should either withdraw from the convention or uphold it's commitments.

We do - we take in more than 12,000 refugees every year. That's 12,000 who know how to do the right thing and who are actually in need of asylum. If they can do the right thing, so can those country-shoppers.

right thing? you mean when they went in the wrong direction, unlawfully entered another country or countries and then the UN sent them here, that was the right thing?

There isn't a right or wrong way to do it. There is no instruction manual. Those who have money available have more options open to them. Those that don't have money can only walk. That doesn't make one right and the other wrong.

Yes, there is an instruction manual - do not enter Australia without a visa. That is the instruction manual.

You break that rule and you will be detained and will never be allowed to live in Australia. It's a pretty simple instruction manual. It's called Australian law.

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Reply #49 - Mar 12^th, 2016 at 2:36pm

Soren wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 2:17pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 8:55am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 8:50am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 8:46am:

Soren wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 8:27am:

These people are not fleeing persecution in Indonesia - so why is it so bad that Australia insist on lawful entry and doesn't allow in illegal entrants? Why is it so bad to enforce the law?

Indonesia isn't a signatory to the UN refugee convention. They have no rights in Indo ... Australia is a signatory. Australia should either withdraw from the convention or uphold it's commitments.

We do - we take in more than 12,000 refugees every year. That's 12,000 who know how to do the right thing and who are actually in need of asylum. If they can do the right thing, so can those country-shoppers.

right thing? you mean when they went in the wrong direction, unlawfully entered another country or countries and then the UN sent them here, that was the right thing?

There isn't a right or wrong way to do it. There is no instruction manual. Those who have money available have more options open to them. Those that don't have money can only walk. That doesn't make one right and the other wrong.

Yes, there is an instruction manual - do not enter Australia without a visa. That is the instruction manual.

You break that rule and you will be detained and will never be allowed to live in Australia. It's a pretty simple instruction manual. It's called Australian law.

Strange, the signatories on refugee convention may suggest otherwise

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20146 Gender:	Re: Paying the boats to stop shame shame shame Reply #50 - Mar 12^th, 2016 at 3:48pm Its time wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 2:36pm: Strange, the signatories on refugee convention may suggest otherwise To which refugee convention do you refer?
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39716 Gender:	Re: Paying the boats to stop shame shame shame Reply #51 - Mar 12^th, 2016 at 3:51pm lee wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 3:48pm: Its time wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 2:36pm: Strange, the signatories on refugee convention may suggest otherwise To which refugee convention do you refer? Just a wild guess.
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Reply #52 - Mar 12^th, 2016 at 4:32pm

' A refugee, according to the Convention, is someone who is unable or unwilling to return to their country of origin owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion.'
http://www.unhcr.org/3b66c2aa10.html

The illegals self-identified as Bangladeshi's.

'More than 700 Bangladeshis who arrived in Indonesia by boat will be sent back to their country having been deemed economic migrants.'

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-25/more-than-700-bangladeshi-refugees-in-indo...

Bangladeshi's are economic migrants; not refugees. Now tell me where economic migrants are deemed to be refugees.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Paying the boats to stop shame shame shame Reply #53 - Mar 12^th, 2016 at 6:46pm Soren wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 2:06pm: Where does it say in the convention that we have to take people who try to enter illegally from a country where they are not persecuted? It doesn't .... just like it doesn't say they have to be coming directly from a country where they are persecuted
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Reply #54 - Mar 12^th, 2016 at 6:47pm

Soren wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 2:17pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 8:55am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 8:50am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 8:46am:

Soren wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 8:27am:

These people are not fleeing persecution in Indonesia - so why is it so bad that Australia insist on lawful entry and doesn't allow in illegal entrants? Why is it so bad to enforce the law?

Indonesia isn't a signatory to the UN refugee convention. They have no rights in Indo ... Australia is a signatory. Australia should either withdraw from the convention or uphold it's commitments.

We do - we take in more than 12,000 refugees every year. That's 12,000 who know how to do the right thing and who are actually in need of asylum. If they can do the right thing, so can those country-shoppers.

right thing? you mean when they went in the wrong direction, unlawfully entered another country or countries and then the UN sent them here, that was the right thing?

There isn't a right or wrong way to do it. There is no instruction manual. Those who have money available have more options open to them. Those that don't have money can only walk. That doesn't make one right and the other wrong.

Yes, there is an instruction manual - do not enter Australia without a visa. That is the instruction manual.

You break that rule and you will be detained and will never be allowed to live in Australia. It's a pretty simple instruction manual. It's called Australian law.

there is no instruction manual to claim asylum and if you really believe that then you're a bigger id iot than I gave you credit for.

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Reply #55 - Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:23am

Soren wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 2:17pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 8:55am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 8:50am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 8:46am:

Soren wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 8:27am:

These people are not fleeing persecution in Indonesia - so why is it so bad that Australia insist on lawful entry and doesn't allow in illegal entrants? Why is it so bad to enforce the law?

Indonesia isn't a signatory to the UN refugee convention. They have no rights in Indo ... Australia is a signatory. Australia should either withdraw from the convention or uphold it's commitments.

We do - we take in more than 12,000 refugees every year. That's 12,000 who know how to do the right thing and who are actually in need of asylum. If they can do the right thing, so can those country-shoppers.

right thing? you mean when they went in the wrong direction, unlawfully entered another country or countries and then the UN sent them here, that was the right thing?

There isn't a right or wrong way to do it. There is no instruction manual. Those who have money available have more options open to them. Those that don't have money can only walk. That doesn't make one right and the other wrong.

Yes, there is an instruction manual - do not enter Australia without a visa. That is the instruction manual.

You break that rule and you will be detained and will never be allowed to live in Australia. It's a pretty simple instruction manual. It's called Australian law.

What law do they break?

Please cite the relevant piece of legislation, and section.

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Reply #56 - Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:27am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 11:47am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 9:06am:

you seem to think that because they applied from a third or fourth country it's somehow the right thing to do.

If, as you rightards are always claiming, it is illegal to enter a country without a visa, why do you not complain when they enter a third or fourth country and then apply? Or do you think they're all aplying from the country they are running from? Cheesy

Not if the other country is letting them in, which is what is happening in some parts of the Middle East. You are SO slow sometimes, Jack_Sh!t.

the other country is letting them in because they are upholding their UN obligations. You're an id iot. You use the countries that follow the convention they signed up for as an excuse for us to not follow our obligations?

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 150871 Gender:	Re: Paying the boats to stop shame shame shame Reply #57 - Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:32am Dear o dear o dear. What's this ... from the Parliament of Australia? "There is no offence under Australian law that criminalises the act of arriving in Australia or the seeking of asylum without a valid visa." Click me!
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Reply #58 - Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:41am

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:32am:

Dear o dear o dear.

What's this ... from the Parliament of Australia?

"There is no offence under Australian law that criminalises the act of arriving in Australia or the seeking of asylum without a valid visa."

Click me!

You have said it a million times but it doesnt sink in to those heads that have a kangaroo loose in the top paddock.

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Reply #59 - Mar 13^th, 2016 at 10:03am

Aussie wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 3:51pm:

lee wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 3:48pm:

Its time wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 2:36pm:

Strange, the signatories on refugee convention may suggest otherwise

To which refugee convention do you refer?

Just a wild guess.

And where does it say that we must take secondary movement illegal entrants without visas and passports (destroyed by themselves), transported by people smugglers?

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