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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Paying the boats to stop shame shame shame Reply #120 - Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:47pm greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:45pm: Why are they so ignorant to the facts? I think ignorance may be a substitute for oxygen for rightards. They seem to thrive on it.
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Reply #121 - Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:47pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:38pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:36pm:

We've talked about this a million times guys. I smell a rat as many people do. I don't trust asylum seekers having $20,000US to give to a criminal.

A multi-billionaire can be an asylum seeker.

It has nothing to do with one's wealth.

So, having established that fact, why wouldn't you trust an asylum seeker with money?

If you are a billionaire and you still have to pay some dirty little Iranian people smuggler plying his trade in Indonesia, bribing dirty little corrupt Indonesians, to get on a rickety boat to Australia then Nauru is exactly what you deserve - you have made your money by being a stupid exploiter of your own people. You deserve everything coming your way - you have been shafted at last. And not a moment too soon.

But putting all that aside - they are not refugees. They are chancers pretending to be refugees. Revolting chancres and gamers.i

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Paying the boats to stop shame shame shame Reply #122 - Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:48pm greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:46pm: Abbott paid people smugglers. Ian didn't mind that, in fact he even supported it ... he was happy to forget how reprehensible when it suited his racism.
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Reply #123 - Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:48pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:46pm:

ian wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:34pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:28pm:

Most refugees do sail past multiple chances for a new life to settle in the best countries.

Who could blame them?

Who cares? The bottom line is the people smuggling trade is reprehensible and and legally and morally wrong. Allowing people to buy their way in perpetuates the trade. Australia can and does allow refugees in anyway so its a moot point.

Abbott paid people smugglers.

prove this.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 150845 Gender:	Re: Paying the boats to stop shame shame shame Reply #124 - Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:49pm Soren wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:47pm: they are not refugees I said 'asylum seekers', Sore End. After all these years, you still don't understand the difference.
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Reply #125 - Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:53pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:41pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:36pm:

I don't trust asylum seekers having $20,000US to give to a criminal.

Why? you realise that as soon as their is civil unrest, the rich are the first to be targeted?

My cousin married someone who's family ran from Saddam when he first took control. Before that they had exclusive rights to import Mercs in Iraq. An oil rich country and every Merc went through them. Should they have pretended to be poor?

Why is it that rightards always "think" that asylum seekers have to be poor?

Seriously - where did that nonsense come from?

Why are they so ignorant to the facts?

Why do you think we should take in rich refugees rather than poor ones.

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Reply #126 - Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:54pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:46pm:

ian wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:34pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:28pm:

Most refugees do sail past multiple chances for a new life to settle in the best countries.

Who could blame them?

Who cares? The bottom line is the people smuggling trade is reprehensible and and legally and morally wrong. Allowing people to buy their way in perpetuates the trade. Australia can and does allow refugees in anyway so its a moot point.

Abbott paid people smugglers.

He should have aimed the guns at them and counted to three. Could have saved a lot of money.

Coming to Australia by boat from Indonesia is a racketr and it is and must be treated as a racket.

They are lucky not to be all shot into the water.

Imagine - 'turn back or we will shoot'. And then shoot if they don't turn back.

Defending one's borders from unauthorised and unwanted breaches. Every boat leaving Indonesian waters without authorisation should be treated as a hostile act by Indonesia - which is what they are. They are lucky to be turned back and not gunned down.

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Reply #127 - Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:54pm

ian wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:41pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:36pm:

I don't trust asylum seekers having $20,000US to give to a criminal.

Why? you realise that as soon as their is civil unrest, the rich are the first to be targeted?

My cousin married someone who's family ran from Saddam when he first took control. Before that they had exclusive rights to import Mercs in Iraq. An oil rich country and every Merc went through them. Should they have pretended to be poor?

Why is it that rightards always "think" that asylum seekers have to be poor?

Seriously - where did that nonsense come from?

Why are they so ignorant to the facts?

Why do you think we should take in rich refugees rather than poor ones.

When did I ever say that "we should take in rich refugees rather than poor ones"?

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Reply #128 - Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:55pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:46pm:

Abbott paid people smugglers.

Ian didn't mind that, in fact he even supported it ... he was happy to forget how reprehensible when it suited his racism.

The crews were paid (allegedly), not the organisers, remember at the time I said it was an important distinction. Nonetheless, one that went over your head, and still does.

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Reply #129 - Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:56pm

ian wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:46pm:

ian wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:34pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:28pm:

Most refugees do sail past multiple chances for a new life to settle in the best countries.

Who could blame them?

Who cares? The bottom line is the people smuggling trade is reprehensible and and legally and morally wrong. Allowing people to buy their way in perpetuates the trade. Australia can and does allow refugees in anyway so its a moot point.

Abbott paid people smugglers.

prove this.

This is not proof, but it describes the proof which is available.

Link.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 150845 Gender:	Re: Paying the boats to stop shame shame shame Reply #130 - Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:57pm Soren wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:54pm: He should have aimed the guns at them ... You want to kill these people, do you?
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Re: Paying the boats to stop shame shame shame
Reply #131 - Mar 13^th, 2016 at 10:02pm

ian wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:46pm:

Abbott paid people smugglers.

Ian didn't mind that, in fact he even supported it ... he was happy to forget how reprehensible when it suited his racism.

The crews were paid (allegedly), not the organisers, remember at the time I said it was an important distinction. Nonetheless, one that went over your head, and still does.

the distinction exists only in your head. Paying someone to do something illegal is paying someone to do something illegal.

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Reply #132 - Mar 13^th, 2016 at 10:03pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:56pm:

ian wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:46pm:

ian wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:34pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:28pm:

Most refugees do sail past multiple chances for a new life to settle in the best countries.

Who could blame them?

Who cares? The bottom line is the people smuggling trade is reprehensible and and legally and morally wrong. Allowing people to buy their way in perpetuates the trade. Australia can and does allow refugees in anyway so its a moot point.

Abbott paid people smugglers.

prove this.

This is not proof, but it describes the proof which is available.

Link.

it doesn't matter ... next week when someone mentions it he'll once again ask for proof. He's on about 4 weeks straight now where he's asked, been given, and then he's asked again

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Reply #133 - Mar 13^th, 2016 at 10:10pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 10:03pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:56pm:

ian wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:46pm:

ian wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:34pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:28pm:

Most refugees do sail past multiple chances for a new life to settle in the best countries.

Who could blame them?

Who cares? The bottom line is the people smuggling trade is reprehensible and and legally and morally wrong. Allowing people to buy their way in perpetuates the trade. Australia can and does allow refugees in anyway so its a moot point.

Abbott paid people smugglers.

prove this.

This is not proof, but it describes the proof which is available.

Link.

it doesn't matter ... next week when someone mentions it he'll once again ask for proof. He's on about 4 weeks straight now where he's asked, been given, and then he's asked again

How could anyone live with themselves, knowing that they support a Government that willingly breaks the law in order to have people die anywhere else rather than in their own backyard?

Seriously - what sort of people are we talking about here?

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Reply #134 - Mar 13^th, 2016 at 10:10pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:49pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:47pm:

they are not refugees

I said 'asylum seekers', Sore End.

After all these years, you still don't understand the difference.

Your stance would make sense if there was a systematic removal of failed asylum seeker.

But there is not. So your hairsplitting little ruse is all bollocks. They are exploiting the asylum seekers -refugee continuum and you aid them with your pissy little yeah but no but.

We - the West - pretend that we cannot deport failed asylum seekers because they have no passports (which they have destroyed). We should deport ALL failed asylum seekers to Indonesia, whether they have travel documents or not - or park them in some hell hole like Manus Island or Nauru -which is what is happening. SO the PNG/Nauru solution IS the answer to your hairsplitting about asylum versus refugees.

Illegal entrant? Off they go. They can be asylum seekers or refugees or whatever in Nauru, PNG, whatever.

Executive summary: Queue jumper? F Vck orf.

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