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"Border open please!!" - one of many placards
Mar 10^th, 2016 at 8:37pm

IMAGE......

"Border open please!!"

- is a message we have seen on many of the placards, in refugee centres/camps, within present day Greece.

2016-Mar-10 Thu, 7:44 am

NOTABLY;
This morning, on Al Jazeera, i saw a young Syrian man [of military age], stuck in Greece, being interviewed, and he was pleading;

Quote:

"We are not terrorist, ....I promise!!"

IMAGE......

"Give me what i want!!!"

.....demands an angry Syrian refugee, in Greece.
[this is not the same guy i saw on Al Jazeera, but this image 'paints a picture' for us, about the nature and character of these people, imo]

This Syrian illegal migrant is expressing his frustration, that his northward path, into Europe has been stopped by the closed borders ahead.

He declares to the world; .....

"I am not terrorist, ....I promise!!"

And this moslem wouldn't lie, to an infidel audience. Honest!!!

/sarc off

n.b.
The man who made that promise, is a moslem.

He is a moslem, and therefore, he is a person who will acknowledge and declare, the authority which ISLAM has, over his life!

And it logically follows, that he is a moslem who acknowledges the authority which ISLAM gives to him, .....to morph into holy warrior of ISLAM [i.e. an ISLAMIC terrorist] at any moment!

Google;

taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit

How Taqiyya Alters Islams Rules of War

http://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-of-war

Google,
smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"

Quote:

"A Study in Muslim Doctrine

...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden,

insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."

http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: "Border open please!!" - one of many placards
Reply #1 - Mar 10^th, 2016 at 8:37pm

Understanding what being a moslem, implies, about the character of a person, and his honesty [or lack of!]....

What, or who, is a moslem ???

A moslem is a follower of ISLAM.    < -------- dictionary definition.

Every moslem, is a moslem.

And, imo, every moslem, is filthy, stinking, lying, deceitful,       ....moslem.

That is not what i say [...by myself, alone].

Look to the religious doctrines of ISLAM !

THAT FACT [of 'holy' moslem lying and deceit], is 'an article of faith', for every moslem.

THAT CONDUCT [of the moslem being a 'holy', filthy, stinking, lying, deceitful person] is a 'holy' doctrine of mainstream ISLAM.

It was conduct which the prophet of ISLAM, Mohammed, which the messenger of Allah, Mohammed, himself engaged in, as a 'holy' example to 'the moslem', to follow.

ISLAM teaches moslems, that lying to disbelievers, is a part of a 'holy' doctrine,       ...of the ISLAMIC faith.

ISLAM teaches moslems, that they need not keep to [honour] commitments they have made,       .....if those commitments are no longer in their best interests !!!

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1295407319/0#0
Quote:

Love is not love Which alters when it alteration finds,

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"Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or bends with the remover to remove:
O no! it is an ever-fixed mark
That looks on tempests and is never shaken;..."
William Shakespeare

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From the Jewish O.T. Bible;

Numbers 30:2
If a man vow a vow unto the LORD, or swear an oath to bind his soul with a bond; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.

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From the Koran, Hadith;

Allah told Mohammed, it is OK to not fulfil the oaths you make.
i.e. If you find something better, you are free to go, and make a better deal, and abandon your first oath.

"Allah indeed has sanctioned for you the expiation of your oaths and Allah is your Protector, and He is the Knowing the Wise."
Koran 66:2

"The Prophet said, "If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath."."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #007.067.427
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #008.078.618
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #008.079.709
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #008.079.710
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #008.079.712
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #008.079.715

"expiate my oath", means an obligation to Allah of penance [Kaffara], e.g. fasting for three days, or to clothe or feed poor people.

"If you ever take an oath to do something and later on you find that something else is better, then you should expiate your oath and do what is better."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #009.089.260
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #009.089.261

"The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: An oath or a vow about something over which a human being has no control, and to disobey Allah, and to break ties of relationship is not binding. If anyone takes an oath and then considers something else better than it, he should give it up, and do what is better, for leaving it is its atonement."
hadithsunnah/abudawud/ #021.3268

"Yahya related to me from Malik from Nafi that Abdullah ibn Umar said, "Whoever swears by Allah and then says, 'Allah willing' and then does not do what he has sworn to, has not broken his oath." "
hadithsunnah/muwatta/ #022.22.6.10
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #009.089.260
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #009.089.260
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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: "Border open please!!" - one of many placards
Reply #2 - Mar 10^th, 2016 at 8:38pm

Of course, sometimes a moslem will speak truthfully.

But how can we tell, when a moslem is speaking truthfully ?

How, i ask !!!

We cannot !

How so ?

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ISLAM has taught the moslem [from childhood, as part of the tenets of ISLAM], that he can make an agreement, a moslem can make a personal promise, a moslem can make an oath [i.e. the moslem will swear on the Koran, that he will fulfill his oath, his personal PROMISE],    ...but falsely enter into such commitments !

ISLAM itself teaches,       .....that a moslem should make such commitments, whenever the moslem sees, that by making such commitments, it will serve his [and Allah's] purposes!!!

AND so, the moslem may not have any intention of honouring the commitments which he has made,    ....if the moslems decides that breaking an oath, or a commitment, or his personal PROMISE,       .....will better serve either himself, or further the interests of Allah's religion.    !!!!!

Because the moslem, is sanctified by his faith [ISLAM],       ....and he remains an honourable person [religiously],    ....even when he chooses to break an oath, or a commitment, or his personal PROMISE.

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THE ARGUMENT CAN BE MADE;
But when the Syrian moslems get to some nation in norther Europe, they will be grateful for the sanctuary which they have found, and they will seek to be good citizens, of nation they 'adopt', right ?

Don't make me laugh!!!!!

A moslem is a follower of ISLAM. < -------- dictionary definition.

Every moslem, is a moslem.

Quote:

"[a respected moslem community spokesman has] called on Australian Muslims to spurn secular democracy and Western notions of moderate Islam...
...[moslems in Australia were told] that democracy is "haram" (forbidden) for Muslims, whose political engagement should be be based purely on Islamic law.
"We must adhere to Islam and Islam alone," Mr Hanif [said]"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/australia-members-of-hizb-ut-tahrir-say-countr...

Google;

"Western notions of moderate Islam"

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: "Border open please!!" - one of many placards
Reply #3 - Mar 10^th, 2016 at 8:39pm

A moslem.

QUESTION;
What value, are the assurances, of a person who belongs to [and refuses to denounce] a philosophy, which promotes lying, deceit, intimidation and violence, towards all persons who are not in your 'camp' ?

QUESTION;
What value, are the assurances, of a person who belongs to [and refuses to denounce] a philosophy, which promotes lying, deceit, intimidation and violence, as a 'legitimate' [i.e. religiously 'holy'] means, of pursuing his, and its [ISLAM's] interests ?

What Muslims Are Saying About The Paris Attacks
Haytham Soliman, Muhammad Wajid Akhter and Hena Zuberi
November 14, 2015

http://muslimmatters.org/2015/11/14/what-muslims-are-saying-about-the-paris-atta...
Quote:

Arab News
✔ ‎@Arab_News

#Saudi Arabia condemns attacks in #Paris: Official source at Foreign Ministry https://twitter.com/spagov/status/665323268665135104 …
8:22 AM - 14 Nov 2015

Recep Tayyip Erdoğan
✔ ‎@RT_Erdogan

Je condamne l'attaque terroriste survenu en France et présente mes sincères condoléances à mon homologue @fhollande et au peuple français.
8:39 AM - 14 Nov 2015

Yahya Adel Ibrahim ‎@yahya_ibrahim

#ParisAttacks Terrorism has no faith & cannot be condoned by any means, rationale or ideology. We must commit to each other to defeat it.
7:11 AM - 14 Nov 2015

Dr. Yasir Qadhi
✔ ‎@YasirQadhi

On the #ParisAttacks https://www.facebook.com/yasir.qadhi/posts/10153446102358300 …
Violence will only beget more violence, and the circle of violence only continues...
7:43 AM - 14 Nov 2015

Hamza Yusuf ‎@hamzayusuf

Our prayers are with the victims of violence and terror around the world.
10:29 AM - 14 Nov 2015

Omar Suleiman ‎@omarsuleiman504

#ParisAttacks One of the greatest blessings of God upon a people is their sense of security and safety. No one... http://fb.me/7CCB6zzuW
7:16 AM - 14 Nov 2015

Imam Nihat Yesil November 14, 2015

Pray For Paris

The Islamic Institute condemns the brutal attacks committed against the citizens of France in Paris and terrorism in any form or shape.

....

QUESTION;
Are those words [above], by moslems, intended to convey a message, to someone ?

ANSWER;
Yes they are!!!

That is EXACTLY, what those words [above], intended to do, imo.

Those words [above], by moslems, imo, are intended to confuse and to deceive non-moslems who read them.

Those words [above], by moslems, imo, are intended to disguise and to hide, how most moslems feel, about the atrocities that are committed by moslems, against non-moslems.

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Quote:

Taqiyya

“Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”

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taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit

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How Taqiyya Alters Islams Rules of War

http://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-of-war

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Quote:

July 28, 2006
Islamic Dictionary for Infidels

...Robert Spencer, ..."Religious deception of unbelievers is indeed taught by the Qur'an itself:

"Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them"
(Qur'an 3:28).

In other words, don't make friends with unbelievers except to "guard yourselves from them": pretend to be their friends so that you can strengthen yourself against them. The distinguished Qur'anic commentator Ibn Kathir explains that this verse teaches that if "believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers," they may "show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly."

Google

Quote:

A Study in Muslim Doctrine

"...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden,

insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."

http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine

Google;
we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: "Border open please!!" - one of many placards
Reply #4 - Mar 10^th, 2016 at 8:42pm

A moslem.

A Syrian moslem.

[The Word of God, the God of Israel, .....describing wicked people.....]

Psalms 7:14
Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood.
15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made.
16 His mischief shall return upon his own head, and his violent dealing shall come down upon his own pate.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 150283 Gender:	Re: "Border open please!!" - one of many placards Reply #5 - Mar 10^th, 2016 at 8:43pm Yadda wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 8:38pm: Of course, sometimes a moslem will speak truthfully. But how can we tell, when a moslem is speaking truthfully ? How can we tell, when Yadda is dribbling crap? When his mouth is open.
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Re: "Border open please!!" - one of many placards
Reply #6 - Mar 10^th, 2016 at 9:15pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 8:43pm:

Yadda wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 8:38pm:

Of course, sometimes a moslem will speak truthfully.

But how can we tell, when a moslem is speaking truthfully ?

How can we tell, when Yadda is dribbling crap?

When his mouth is open.

How can we tell that greggery is, yet again, defending the 'moderate' Muslim while ignoring the radicals?

When his mouth is open, yet again.

I suggest that we offer all the suffering refugees a bacon and egg roll on the borders.

If they refuse the offer, they are either;

a) Not hungry - which tends to indicate that they are in no imminent peril - therefore an economic refugee.

b) Refusal on religious grounds - and we all know what that means.

c) They eat the roll and are subsequently attacked by onlookers - and we all know what THAT means.

The witnessed consumption of a bacon and egg sandwich may hold the keys to civilised humanity's survival.

Simple really!

Toughen up, Australia!

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Re: "Border open please!!" - one of many placards
Reply #7 - Mar 10^th, 2016 at 9:33pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 8:43pm:

Yadda wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 8:38pm:

Of course, sometimes a moslem will speak truthfully.

But how can we tell, when a moslem is speaking truthfully ?

How can we tell, when Yadda is dribbling crap?

When his mouth is open.

Oh no ! Oh no ! .....greggery doesn't like me !

I think i'm going to cry. Cry

/sarc off

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: "Border open please!!" - one of many placards
Reply #8 - Mar 11^th, 2016 at 6:36pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 8:43pm:

Yadda wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 8:38pm:

Of course, sometimes a moslem will speak truthfully.

But how can we tell, when a moslem is speaking truthfully ?

How can we tell, when Yadda is dribbling crap?

When his mouth is open.

He is an appaling poster. So much stuff. so many gaps. no coherent substance. Now I just ignore his posts. If something is too hard to read, I don't read it. I also ignore the copper-internet druggie.

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